probably i will receive alot of facepalms but all those middle pics look alot better than the earlier or end pics and keyana look better in the last one
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ktunga I had to face-palm you just because you asked for it 
Anyways, we like what we like. As I stated, I am not a fan of the way the faces and body types have changed so dramatically.
However, I believe Dennis Miller said it best:
Anyways, we like what we like. As I stated, I am not a fan of the way the faces and body types have changed so dramatically.
However, I believe Dennis Miller said it best:
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Yes, I see what you mean. Thanks for the comparison.
They have distorted quite a bit really.
Keyana and Harper look quite different now.
Shauna mostly her mouth, Jamie's eyes were still huge back then.
I still love them though and will continue to bang them all.
Overall I really appreciate the immensly better lighting technique BD is using, but that overloaded makeup + extreme duckface + increase in saturation need to mellow down.
What struck me the most with WVM renders are mostly the lovely and believable eye contact characters have with you while avoiding the "dead-stare", paired with some good usage of DoF. Gives characters so much more life and personality on top of the nice designs.
But yeah recently BD went way too hard in yassifying the cast and macro-zooming the scenes.
Am I the only one who thinks that the pacing didn't change much, even though the point of the rework was to correct it?
Well, he did sleep for like a day, but no real point to that kind of random "timeskip" IMO.
With these, besides the ever-changing models, there is no real point to it. Well, plugging in some holes with the now unknown characters, I guess.
Well, he did sleep for like a day, but no real point to that kind of random "timeskip" IMO.
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With these, besides the ever-changing models, there is no real point to it. Well, plugging in some holes with the now unknown characters, I guess.
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Well WVM update is postponed till Monday but BD said he will do another release on friday
A brief summary what BD said on patreon ......
Firstly, the next weekly will be released on Monday instead of today or Sunday. I was invited to hang out with some friends I haven't seen in a good minute and I've been going giga hard since January so I admittedly could use a small amount of time to reset. I've only taken a handful of days off since my return and even on those days I'd still find a way to sneak some work in. So I'm going to take this time to rest and reset before getting right back to it. I love what I do but I don't want to repeat mistakes of the past and burn myself out by pouring too much into WVM.
Though, I do plan on double releasing this upcoming week. Monday and Friday.
A brief summary what BD said on patreon ......
Firstly, the next weekly will be released on Monday instead of today or Sunday. I was invited to hang out with some friends I haven't seen in a good minute and I've been going giga hard since January so I admittedly could use a small amount of time to reset. I've only taken a handful of days off since my return and even on those days I'd still find a way to sneak some work in. So I'm going to take this time to rest and reset before getting right back to it. I love what I do but I don't want to repeat mistakes of the past and burn myself out by pouring too much into WVM.
Though, I do plan on double releasing this upcoming week. Monday and Friday.
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I can't, that is actually hilarious holy fuck
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Right? Exactly my thought xD I mean.... it´s not like he had 2 years of paid vacation before that.
I believe it is either the supporting hug or lack thereof in the locker room. With hug I got the smooch pre-game, without no smooch.
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I am still not convinced this BD is the same BD that started this game. If he is, he must really have mental issues that totally change his artistic and writing style.
Most artists in general have recognizable styles, WVM when it first came out had one consistent style. Now the remake/Special Championship Edition/whatever has a completely different but consistent style.
Very, very strange.
Dr. PinkCake from Being A DIK has a certain style.
Undergraduate Steve from College Kings has a certain style.
Drifty from Leap Of Faith has a certain style.
etc. etc.
You can recognize not only how they make the characters, but also how they write. You can recognize the new style and old style of the renders, but you cannot connect and say they are made by the same artist.
Old school WVM was more consistent and had a recognizable writing and art style.
Ever since "Mackenzie", excuses, and right before Season 2 happened, after that longer hiatus, BD has seemed to pick up a style that seems more like a poor imitation of the original WVM than the actual thing.
If anything. BD should have evolved with the money he has from a hardware and artistic ability perspective. I would like to say the amount of details in the new renders are missing the old, more realistic features (beauty marks, etc.) The new renders just have the faces skewed to give a more prominent duckface look, it is more like someone has the assets from BD and did what they think is a good imitation of his work.
Of course, this is pure speculation, but considering all the crazy things that have happened with this game and the progress, something is up beyond the "official story", where BD is constantly in 'peril' by mental issues, hardware, deaths, etc. Unless someone has multiple personality disorder, their artistic style can be "mostly duplicated", but never 100% replicated. I could pretty easily replicate his work and come up with something close to his style by face morphs, but you would be able to tell it is different.
Just like how the latest updates have been, the writing is different and not of the same quality. Another important detail.
Most artists in general have recognizable styles, WVM when it first came out had one consistent style. Now the remake/Special Championship Edition/whatever has a completely different but consistent style.
Very, very strange.
Dr. PinkCake from Being A DIK has a certain style.
Undergraduate Steve from College Kings has a certain style.
Drifty from Leap Of Faith has a certain style.
etc. etc.
You can recognize not only how they make the characters, but also how they write. You can recognize the new style and old style of the renders, but you cannot connect and say they are made by the same artist.
Old school WVM was more consistent and had a recognizable writing and art style.
Ever since "Mackenzie", excuses, and right before Season 2 happened, after that longer hiatus, BD has seemed to pick up a style that seems more like a poor imitation of the original WVM than the actual thing.
If anything. BD should have evolved with the money he has from a hardware and artistic ability perspective. I would like to say the amount of details in the new renders are missing the old, more realistic features (beauty marks, etc.) The new renders just have the faces skewed to give a more prominent duckface look, it is more like someone has the assets from BD and did what they think is a good imitation of his work.
Of course, this is pure speculation, but considering all the crazy things that have happened with this game and the progress, something is up beyond the "official story", where BD is constantly in 'peril' by mental issues, hardware, deaths, etc. Unless someone has multiple personality disorder, their artistic style can be "mostly duplicated", but never 100% replicated. I could pretty easily replicate his work and come up with something close to his style by face morphs, but you would be able to tell it is different.
Just like how the latest updates have been, the writing is different and not of the same quality. Another important detail.
While not confirmation of this suspicion, I did notice that BD's suddenly welcoming people's offers to help him produce the game. For years, he vehemently opposed this, insisting repeatedly that he wanted to be the sole person creating any part of it.
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- What you said, exactly right.
- Writing style different, largely inferior to the original writing, but consistent in itself.
- Newer art style has the assets from the original, but missing the realistic details and proportions are all out of whack now. What people were calling a choker on 4T I still believe was a mesh issue where the Genesis model's original grey-color stuck on the neck. You get that from either adding assets that are from other Genesis models, or from morphing and not being careful. If it was a choker, there are many, many chokers for each Genesis/Victoria model versions that are more detailed and look realistic other than white and flush with her neck! If anyone needs me to show them what happens when you use incompatible materials, let me know and I will whip something up in DAZ real quick to demonstrate this.
- Excuses instead of results, before it was if he said an update was coming, it was out when he said with very rare exception.
- If there is indeed an old and new Braindrop, the old one was about the game and fans. The new one is about being super careful not to hurt that income and get him in trouble on Patreon. He also has no problem breaking his word and has a large cache of excuses for why it is delayed or late.
- This is not the same WVM, even the remake (which is supposed to improve things), seems like more of a downgrade (despite using newer models and such, hence the better colors. Morphs can be easily applied to give the 'infamous' duck face to the LI's, but the new looks are more like poor imitations because now the whole face is out of whack instead of just the lips.
The change happened right around when season 1 was towards the end and beginning of season 2. This brought Mackenzie, the myriad of excuses, and the delayed updates. Is Mackenzie the new owner, or a GF/wife of the new BD? Family?
This is a good mystery but it would explain why this game went from highly regarded to a lot of complaints, but it makes perfect sense because we can all agree SOMETHING changed and the new material is different from the original (far beyond "revision").
I mentioned something similar previously. There is a serious disconnect in art style/writing from before the long break and the season 2 stuff. I thought that maybe BD had hired someone to do the work for him. My original rational that he was stumbling back into his groove after a 2 year hiatus hasn't really held up. The change in the game is too significant.
One thing that stuck out to me was the fake drama bit "the girls have disappeared, must go search for them". It was so odd and contrived and poorly done, it didn't mesh with anything previous in the story. The other thing is the radical change in behavior of some of the girls (Natalie going from sweetheart to psycho, Skye's sudden forwardness, etc.). As a writer, your characters are more than just words or a bio. Making them behave radically different without any explanation is pretty odd.
What hasn't changed is BD's word salad expositions on Patreon. So I think he's still involved in the game, maybe just more in the *cough* Mackenzie roll...
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Like you said, the biggest tell is the characters.
I write stories, and an important part of any story I write is the characters. I really like to flesh them out before even touching on the story itself. To me, without the characters meaning something, the rest of your story is no good without the characters that actually make your story and it makes them more meaningful and "alive". The "new" BD, if there is one, seems to only care about bringing meaningless LI's into the story, but not to improve the product or appease the fans. More to keep the money flowing.
Before, BD seemed to concentrate (and put a lot of effort into) the main LI's, teasing about Harper, her daughter, the step mom, etc. But as far as getting with them, he never seemed to want to go beyond teasing or suggesting it. But Jamie, Shauna, Ethan, and all of the original S1 love interests had a lot of attention to their detail. This means a writer who cares and puts time into the characters. He even took time to make BIOS for them, something you do not always see made public.
Now, since the end of S1 and the entire S2, an uglier version of Harper got with the MC and new girls run into the story. Then, they get pounded by Ethan, and exit stage left to make way for the next and only show up in the background in scenes. He even named a girl 4T, something I cannot see the original BD doing. I have never met anyone with a number in her name, she is likely the 40th conceived LI for Ethan, hence her name, but it is just lazy to call her that regardless of her "place". How hard is it come up with a girl's name? Imagine if he had named Jamie or Harper "1st" or "10th", the "name" alone would instantly make them disposable and quit your caring about them.
I believe there is chance you hit the nail on the head, he maybe is still involved and likely had little parts here and there, but if you really think about it, the entire S2 seems more like someone imitating the original concept than all the same guy.
I do not think an online presence is hard to imitate by any means. We have no idea what these developers actually look like in person, unless they reveal themselves, so they could literally be anybody. Or be an actual woman using a male presence, vice versa.
I am convinced our theory is absolutely true, just the way this game has progressed is telling me there is more than one person behind the scenes. IMO, the new renders are not improvements, I see them as inferior to the originals but just using better character models due to progression with the Genesis/Victoria models.
The lips used to have the duck face, now if you look at her whole face in the new renders, the whole entire face has that quality now. Harper did not even have the crease on the side of the lips before (original BD trademark, Jamie exhibit A), not prominent like now at least.
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This sounds like a Scooby Doo mystery. I'm sure that old man Caruthers is behind it all.
Or maybe he's farmed it out to a group of trained monkeys.
Or maybe he's farmed it out to a group of trained monkeys.
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My personal guess is that Braindrop had the plot up to a point, then came the problems he announced of which we can't be sure if they are true, made up, or a bit of both. I now suspect BD is shimmying his way from update to update and has no real plan of what he wants with the plot, want to say he probably wrote himself into a dead end, something that happens to many writers often enough. Anyone who has ever prepared a homebrew adventure as a game master/dungeon master in pen & paper knows the problem.
The new designs are either due to Braindrop's own preferences or his self-identification as a contrarian. The latter is especially likely with regard to the past, since he liked to troll the people who were screaming for incest content. Accordingly, it's not unlikely that the Duckface Armageddon stems from the fact that people used to complain about Duckfaces, too often for his taste. For me, it's more like the behavior of a petulant child, but well, I don't know Braindrop, so I can only speculate here.
As for Mackenzie, I think she's either a straw man and we're really dealing with Braindrop, or she's not human and the posts of hers were all generated by Chat GPT or something similar. At the very least, I have grave doubts that "she" is a professional. At least for the tasks that were assigned to "her".
The new designs are either due to Braindrop's own preferences or his self-identification as a contrarian. The latter is especially likely with regard to the past, since he liked to troll the people who were screaming for incest content. Accordingly, it's not unlikely that the Duckface Armageddon stems from the fact that people used to complain about Duckfaces, too often for his taste. For me, it's more like the behavior of a petulant child, but well, I don't know Braindrop, so I can only speculate here.
As for Mackenzie, I think she's either a straw man and we're really dealing with Braindrop, or she's not human and the posts of hers were all generated by Chat GPT or something similar. At the very least, I have grave doubts that "she" is a professional. At least for the tasks that were assigned to "her".
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I agree with this part. Many writers (look at George Martin R. R. for example) and some rather large (popular) devs on here admitting having writer's block. The symptoms are repetitive updates with pointless dialogue or new LI's, the dreaded rework or "remake", or the story randomly and abruptly going in a different direction.
Granted, these are porn games with some having porn logic so I can't expect too much out of them but it clearly displays the dev(s) ability (or lack thereof) of telling a cohesive story. Some just want the fap material.
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Actively lying...
Well, he named a bunch of girls and made their looks based on a bunch of different colors before, so naming a girl 40 doesn't seem that far out of the norm for him...