polycentric

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Dude, I think when u follow a game like that with too many posts daily and too many members posting is so difficult read every post.. plus when u follow more games like this with a ton of messages too.. I dont understand ur rude response but okay, ty anyway.
Hordragg is spot-on and I'll just add that refusing to scroll through two pages - maximum - is "rude".
 
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PinkGoddess

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Hordragg is spot-on and I'll just add that refusing to scroll through two pages - maximum - is "rude".
Calm, beast, from today I will stop following this game, I have already been able to verify what kind of fanbase the poor dev has, so I will continue reading other threads with more friendly people, which is the minimum that I ask when I try to comment on a internet forum.
 
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polycentric

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This doesn't make any sense, because you're literally complaining about...reading threads.

Look...I don't think that I, or anyone else is 'unfriendly' here when we suggest that people take two minutes to background themselves on what's going on. This is like coming to a meeting late and insisting that everyone explain to you what's going on - making zero effort to do it yourself.

That is what I, and a lot of other people, consider rude.
 

qwsl

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Uhh.. Don't leave us man, I'm already crying
However, if you decide everything already, please, take away the rest of the strange lazy aggressive dudes, who write all sorts of nonsense and provoke the rest of the participants, i beg you

i think, all this strange dudes from parallel universe, where WVM have completely different plot - parallel worlds exist - confirmed! - and maybe all these dudes came from there!!! this is a sensation! Where is my Nobel Prize? :rolleyes:
 
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kurupt87

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And this, right here, explains why this particular game might not be for you.
Aye, you think ;)
I am well aware that this game doesn't tick all of those. It does have my important two and one of the optionals though which is why I gave it a go. As well, of course, as the excellent renders.
However, I can and do enjoy games outside of my wheelhouse occasionally.
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I guess my biggest problem with this game is that I just feel (as the player) completely bloody irrelevant.
Like, the PC could be replaced with a blowup man-doll with a dildo attached and he'd have as much input to the story and sex acts.
Shit, reading this back I sound like a feminist from the 70's (justly) complaining about lack of female agency in media.
But, yeah.
As a gamer I am used to feeling as though my actions in the game I'm playing are important. But here, even the decisions I do make for the PC tend to be taken away from him and given to the female he's engaging with instead.
Maybe I'm remembering wrongly but yeah, I just felt utterly superfluous.
Like a guy whose girlfriend agrees to a threesome with you and another chick and they spend the entire time with each other and you just sat there and watched, they didn't let you join. It's hot to watch sure but ffs...
 
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polycentric

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On a serious note...

This thread has become a little tense over the last month or so and, even if I think that I'm making certain points that need to be made, I'm going to back off and see if this thread calms down.

I don't think that BD needs to see me mentally sparring with people and I would like this thread to serve as an 'ambassador' to one of the best VNs out there.

Love and respect to BD. I'm out for a while :cool:
 

kurupt87

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For a regular dude IRL..... U have some crazy tags there …. maybe ur not so regular after all ;) I would keep a close eye on u IRL ;)
To a point I see your point but not really.
Incest is in there because years of consuming porn has pushed my "what actually qualifies as perverse and therefore interesting in fantasy" pretty bloody far back. Same with futa/trans.
Maledom and male protag are bog standard for a relatively straight dude. Anal is simply an extension of maledom and pretty darn common.
Rape is a little more niche but not by much, its pretty famously one of the most common fantasies for both men and women.
Last is corruption, another entirely baseline fetish.
So yeah, except for the incest and futa/trans I'd guess that 7/10 guys would match the above kinks.
 

The Krypt Angel

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On a serious note...

This thread has become a little tense over the last month or so and, even if I think that I'm making certain points that need to be made, I'm going to back off and see if this thread calms down.

I don't think that BD needs to see me mentally sparring with people and I would like this thread to serve as an 'ambassador' to one of the best VNs out there.

Love and respect to BD. I'm out for a while :cool:
it's just withdrawal symptoms makes people cranky really
 

Krynh

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As a gamer I am used to feeling as though my actions in the game I'm playing are important. But here, even the decisions I do make for the PC tend to be taken away from him and given to the female he's engaging with instead.
So what if they are? All other harem games have the male MC deciding to go about doing a harem wether their romantic partner wants to or not. In WVM Jamie is practically forcing you to date other women and is extremely happy about you doing so.

Remember also that this is a visual novel and not a game, so the player will always have less choices. Finally not being an asshole doesn't make the mc a "simp"
 

Braindrop

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On a serious note...

This thread has become a little tense over the last month or so and, even if I think that I'm making certain points that need to be made, I'm going to back off and see if this thread calms down.

I don't think that BD needs to see me mentally sparring with people and I would like this thread to serve as an 'ambassador' to one of the best VNs out there.

Love and respect to BD. I'm out for a while :cool:
I completely understand. I've been visiting here less and less myself.

I loved it here and was very active at the beginning. Everything was much more light hearted and it genuinely felt like people just having fun. Critique was solid and I was still trying to find my own style and solidify where I was going with WVM.
I'm not sure if things have actually changed or if I've just become jaded after so much blind hate. Because for every hate message or review you guys see here there's 5-10 DM's you don't see. Add on some shit talk from other devs and it's easy to fade out.

I'm not trying to trash this website in anyway. I'll be the first to admit I wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as I am if it wasn't for being featured here. But man it feels like every time I come here now there's a new multi-page argument that stems from some silly shit that doesn't have the legs to be argued about for that much time. It's just people arguing opinions and repeating the same shit every single post. And that's in between the usual "update???" posts.
It's crazy to say but I actually miss the days when the biggest annoyance was "wtf happened to Natalie?!" :KEK:

I love you guys and I love interacting with the community around my game but you gotta realize there's very little to gain from visiting here recently. This thread is meant to discuss the game but it feels like it's only being used to discuss what the game isn't.

Public discord coming soon <3
 

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Aye, you think ;)
I am well aware that this game doesn't tick all of those. It does have my important two and one of the optionals though which is why I gave it a go. As well, of course, as the excellent renders.
However, I can and do enjoy games outside of my wheelhouse occasionally.
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I guess my biggest problem with this game is that I just feel (as the player) completely bloody irrelevant.
Like, the PC could be replaced with a blowup man-doll with a dildo attached and he'd have as much input to the story and sex acts.
Shit, reading this back I sound like a feminist from the 70's (justly) complaining about lack of female agency in media.
But, yeah.
As a gamer I am used to feeling as though my actions in the game I'm playing are important. But here, even the decisions I do make for the PC tend to be taken away from him and given to the female he's engaging with instead.
Maybe I'm remembering wrongly but yeah, I just felt utterly superfluous.
Like a guy whose girlfriend agrees to a threesome with you and another chick and they spend the entire time with each other and you just sat there and watched, they didn't let you join. It's hot to watch sure but ffs...
Like Kryhn said, this is a visual novel which is more focused on a feel-good story and not something that involves a metric fuckton of choices that makes your head spin. I, personally, like it for that. Again, not every VN should be expected to be the exact same, since that would turn the idea of choice into an illusion.

One thing, I will say is, you are putting way too much emphasis on tags like simp, alpha/beta/delta/gamma male. This is a fantastical story where you can happily leave those pointless tags to the side and go in with an open mind. You might end up enjoying (like a stack of people on here) in which case keep playing and drooling over every Shauna pic that comes along (wait, that might be me) or you don't enjoy it and you can move onto a bunch of other VNs that cater to your fetishes. Asking a dev a to change the MC to your specific liking is kinda rude. I mean, I personally hate rape/blackmail with creeper MC, but I don't go into the threads for those games and complain about those specific things. Again, not trying to say you're wrong and I'm right, just different preferences and given the strong reaction you got, there are a lot of people who like this game just the way it is. Just, forget the tags and play the VN for it is.
 

qwsl

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I've been visiting here less and less myself.
I love you guys and I love interacting with the community around my game but you gotta realize there's very little to gain from visiting here recently. This thread is meant to discuss the game but it feels like it's only being used to discuss what the game isn't.
So, troll-bots's mission accomplished? :cry:

Geez, so much wierdness happening here... I just want to see some new pics.
liked by BD => hmm... we will stop writing shit here, learn DAZ, make renders and send it to BD! :LOL:
 
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First part of that, absolutely. But VN's can have a MC that has agency and is assertive, he is simply written that way. Providing the player with choices is different to the MC or PC having agency within their own story.
In this game, the lack of choices presented to the player about how the sex acts proceed annoys me. Stealing the few choices I do make and giving them to an NPC character really frustrates me.
The lack of impact that the MC has over his own story frustrates me on his behalf.
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And the second sentence of your quote, for crying out loud...
In what world does a man wanting a woman to do something, or to do something to her, make him an arsehole?
In this game almost all of the sex acts are decided by what the feminine characters want - this does not make these characters arseholes.
So, unless you're going to argue that all the women are in fact all arseholes (and I suspect that you won't) your argument falls flat already.
A fella called Hordragg reminded me of Bailey and gave me some dialogue - the MC has agency in that scene. The scene, in places, proceeds how he wants it to proceed. That is all I want! The problem is that this dynamic is the complete freak and outlier here, not the norm.

I know, this game has a hella weird harem dynamic. It's the least realistic part of the story, followed by the MC's submissiveness (a top b-ball player wouldn't be) and Shauna's perfect femininity.
More normal games' "creeper" harems are far more realistic. Check out cults, R-Kelly and the medieval Middle East.
Type it out a 6th time I'm sure that'll be the one to get your point across.
 

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Type it out a 6th time I'm sure that'll be the one to get your point across.
:ROFLMAO:

Seriously. I don't understand why people can't just move on if the game, or any game, doesn't appeal to them.

I love everything about this game, the women, the setting, the MC, and the community (mostly). I can't wait for each new installment. Wish I could support you more than the crappy buck you get from me (I promise that dollar is crisp and clean ;)). Take care BD, I think it is a good idea to avoid this place, it's not really a healthy atmosphere of late.
 
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