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Possible reasons:
Not enough patron support.
Lack of experience for both artists and coders.
This is part of the reason why some games have poor character development and poorly written story.
- Jan 25, 2021
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I just re-read my post.
I was quoting two people texts at the same time, and 'Emmanuelle' was not your word and it was not my word to you.
The reason I quoted you was because of 'gangbang' and I wrote that I rarely saw anyone who said they wanted a 'gangbang'.
I said Emmanuelle is not porn but has sex and this game is a porn game but no sex.
Also, contrary to what you are saying, many people have said that they don't want cheap porn, they want high quality 'porn'.
So stop talking useless, like Emmanuelle.
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Actually, it was a good update. But personally, I prefer the secret girlfriend storyline in the Sam's route. I think Sophia is more interested in it too. Because she does all movements with Sam by herself and without force.
- Jan 25, 2021
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There are now 3 main characters.
What should be noted is that, the developer made it clear early on that the main character would be only one Sophia.
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I'll just say that once in here: The game is called "A Wife and Mother" for a reason and not "A Son and Brother". So, make no sense to me putting Dylan as main character. It is just "fan service", nothing more.
- Oct 31, 2020
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There was a link to Twitter in this forum -- I took it from there and it had Android... most probably it has also MAC
I don't remember the link, sorry
My guess is that he will age them up for Steam. I agree with you (this and the post below) that I'm not into them being underaged anyway. L&P did that because he's personally into it, he likes Shota. His little other work before AWAM are all about young boys molesting and having sex with milfs.Thanks for posting this long text
Steam is not an option - no minors in sexual context whatever - it might be even a law against that... you can see he keeps everything on some hidden servers... and on Patreon there is for sure the same policy.
Steam approval required ID verification and each game is approved, content rating is audited ,etc... no way this is going public ...
He's probably going to jail (don't pass go and don't collect
If Steam requires it, he'll just age them up like he probably should have done to begin with.
How I'd do it? A sudden change for the family. They have to move again for a couple years or Sophia is able to contain this desire to sexually reach out and it outright stops for a while. She makes whatever changes she has to for a year or two until the boys can be young men.
He already aged them up once, he'll just do it again to get on Steam. Another sign that he doesn't have a set script as claimed as much as general framework at most.
But yeah, I'm also not really into shota or even incest for that matter. In any VN where it's done I just image they're 18yo or it's a stepmom/stepson.
I think AWAM has in reality very few choices (except the ones you stated that are more do you want to see the content or not).
Those choice are actually what form the "routes". They define what you want to pursue in the game: get blackmail by aiden or send Dylan to boarding school, pursue something with the kids or only with adults, or whatever else you might want Sofia to experiment.
Unfortunately, in the current context, with slow updates, those choices could easily mean one or two years without any content, so it's more like: do you want to see the new content or do you want to ignore the game.
You think just because a woman is kissing someone and goes to second base with him, it means she is ready to go all the way? Especially, if there are other factors involved (such as the guy being her son).
I don't think L&P could really write Sofia in a realistic way. He would need the help of a woman, even better, a mother. Men haven't been able to understand women for thousands of year, I'm sure L&P will not be the first one to do so. This is why his writing will almost always fall short in the realistic part.
Also, there is no world where Sofia would be craving as much attention as she does. She is a gorgeous woman and always has been. She hasn't suffered some miraculous transformation when they moved to the new town. She has been getting a lot of attention all of her life. This is just a lazy excuse to have her act in certain ways. (Such a young and "handsome" man is paying me compliments. It's hard to read this with a straight face. I usually try ignore the crap as much as possible and skip the lines that are too bad/corny.)
The playing days are the worst thing that can happen to this game. It breaks any chance it would have at realism. If she would indeed be such a horndog all day long, she would be cheating already. I like to imagine every event is a few days away at least. Maybe more sometimes. Or else, it's just silly town.
I think Playing day 15 or 16 is supposed to have 3 sex events or something.
Imagine going from no cheating on Friday to sleeping with at least 3 different people, in 3 different situations on Sunday. it's ludicrous. I don't know why he insists on such nonsense.
One thing I will say about L&P after the latest release is that I don't think there's anyone on this website at least with the same quality of renders. There are a few that have good quality. But everything coming together so well, at least in regards to Sofia, I haven't seen.
That being said, imagine a perfect world where L&P hires someone to do most of the grunt work on the scenes and he just puts the finishing touches to keep up the quality.
A world where he uses a render farm, if his computers can't keep up and they are one of the reasons for these massive delays.
A world where he indeed hires a writer (preferably female) to help him with the story.
Now coming back to reality, I unfortunately don't think any of that is going to happen. He would have done something by now if he wanted to.
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At least he isn't as bad as ICSTOR. Not yet, or maybe not at all, time will tell.
For so many years, he could have made several full-fledged games with a volume of 30 gigabytes.Understandable, but still. Making a game is not simple these days, takes time and effort.
To be honest to you, I am still waiting for 0.6 update for "Jennifer's Life" and its not done yet, but will be in a few weeks to a few months.
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Oh, you mean, Dylan and Sam are just 18 now... in text
I thought you mean he will do the complete story with new renders... now I get it Yeah, that will work and publish just part 2 (or part of part 2) ..
I think something is getting lost in translation between us because I don't think we disagree on as many topics as it might have seemed until now.
Just the erotica/porn stuff.
Just for your information, porn doesn't have to contain sex. Playboy is porn, by definition, but doesn't have sex in its pages.
Where have I stated anything contrary to your statement? Where did I say what kind of porn people want? I just said a lot just want sex, sex, sex.
A gangbang doesn't mean it's cheap porn, just like 1-on-1 sex doesn't make it high quality. (if that's what you were referring to)
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Perfect analysis! Would be great if you do one with the actual event out now...Here is a (not so) short recap of what is going to happen and the theories/speculation made all along this looooong development cycle.
This v0.190 is the second part of the evening event with Sophia and Dylan. Just as a reminder, as per L&P's words , Part 1 is the build-up for Part 2 in some way, naturally. They merge into each other. But without spoiling much I can say both parts have something very hot to give, this is for sure. Part 1 I would say is additionally the more "artistic part" and more "story-heavy". And both events will mark the next step in their relationship (post). We also know that the evening events will be at least as hot as the Sam event if not even hotter and, overall he won't achieve anything less than Sam.
This is pretty much what we know, nothing much has been revealed for part 2 (beside the teasers below).
We know that this release has 413 renders, thus making Part 2 the 4th event in terms of number of renders, just behind Part 1 with 416 renders. Combined, Dylan/Sophia events of the evening are the largest event ever with 829 renders.
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There was at least one planned animation for this event but it has been canceled due to "technical difficulties".
Finally, there have been 11 teasers.
Where were we?
Let's take a step back and see where we are with Part 1.
Dylan and Sophia had a bath together in which
- Sophia's secret past as a bikini model before college was revealed. Dylan found the pictures on the internet.
- As part of the "usual" sex-ed routine Dylan was allowed to see and touch Sophia's breast and kiss her with tongue but Sophia managed to keep control on it.
- Dylan learnt in excruciating detail (player choice) how Sophia had lost her virginity to her friend's father at a party.
- Dylan confessed his desire for Sophia ever since he 'accidentally' witnessed her changing her clothes as a young child and, on one occasion, jilling off on the bed.
- Dylan finally got to remove Sophia's bikini top and give her a "relaxing" massage of all her breasts before Liam interrupted.
- After the bath, Sophia was concerned by the revelation and asked for an explanation, along with the fact that she had previously found her lingerie on Dylan's desktop (along with a picture of their bikini photo shoot as the wallpaper on his computer).
- Dylan candidly expressed his feelings again, much to Sophia's surprise.
- We left Sophia alone to watch TV and reflect on his words, questioning her new feelings for him, not just as his son, but as a man.
- We left Dylan on the final cliffhanger of the event: looking again at the pictures he found on the internet, he noticed for the first time that the photographer was Liam Parker.
A Step Forward: date night
According to what L&P explained, since Liam had to postpone the evening with his wife because of his boss, Dylan has the opportunity to "take her out" instead, so that she doesn't have to spend Friday night alone and lonely. So the whole event is probably a date night. It remains to be seen whether it will start as a kind of BF/GF role-play to give Dylan some experience and then escalate again, or whether it will have a more direct approach in light of the previous event.
There has been a poll for choosing what Sophia will wear for the date among 3 types of dress and 4 different colors for each
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The winning one was A3.
According to the teasers released, the event will take place in at least 4 different locations: in the city looking for a restaurant, in a nightclub, on the roof of the nightclub and at home in the hot tub (again!). We also know that the last part at home will be the "hot" part of the event. It has been pointed out by many that the order of Dylan's events in the evening is a bit odd and that the order should be reversed (date then bath). We'll see if part 2 will help to understand such choice.
Here is a visual recap of the evening with the different branches. Note that L&P has confirmed that Dylan/Emma will not be released and PD 13 will end with v0.195 and Christine's party.
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Teasers
The teaser can be roughly grouped into 3 parts according to where the scene takes place:
1) Looking for the restaurant
The first set of 3 teasers set up the date night, with Sophia getting ready to go
Getting ready for the evening (with Dylan)
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Dylan has the opportunity to invite her on a date instead so that she doesn't spend Friday night lonely in front of the boob tube.
Sophia was of course very pleased about it. She slipped into her bedroom, where her husband was already fast asleep, grabbed her dress that she had actually prepared for the evening with him and got ready in the bathroom for her alternative date with Dylan. Incidentally, L&P said that Sophia would just put the money in Dylan's pocket so that he could pay for the evening. So the event should not be affected by what Dylan did with the money he "borrowed" before going to the hairdresser in the afternoon.
Then we see the two walking the street of the city looking for restaurants
A very special night
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only to find that they are all close or about to close.
Small change of plan
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In the last picture, Dylan seems to suggest going somewhere else to have fun.
2) The night-club
The next teasers show the couple entering a nightclub and a glimpse of the dance floor, which appears to be a very challenging render with lots of lighting and character in the scene.
Looks like a more fun place
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In the next teaser, Sophia is said to be making a decision
Making a decision
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which is revealed the next couple of teaser, i.e. to go dancing on the dance floor with Dylan.
Let's have some fun
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It's important to note that in these two renders (and in the following one, when they enter the nightclub), Sophia is not wearing her wedding ring, as she did in all the previous teasers. This has not been explained, so (of course!) some theories have been put forward:
- She could have taken it off to avoid questioning looks from others (a married woman with a very young man in a place like this...),
- it could be part of the role-playing of the date,
- it could be a kind of test suggested by Dylan, maybe in the voyeur/cuck path, to see if someone will try a move on her to show that "she still got it",
- it could be to somehow boost Dylan's confidence and impress the girls there to see Dylan able to conquer such a beauty.
In the next couple of teasers we see them joining the dance floor for some fun:
Having a little fun
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and
Having some more fun
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At this point, we can expect the two to get physically closer, as the last render suggested. There may be some touching, some groping, all made possible by the euphoria of the dance floor. They probably won't be able to get further than that in such a crowded and public place. Maybe they could make their way to a more secluded part of the nightclub while still intoxicated by the dancing, or, as someone suggested, in a (very) bold move, Sophia, upset by the dancing, could excuse herself to go to the toilet to jill off, realise the door is ajar and, remembering Dylan's confession, decide not to stop giving Dylan a show.
Similarly, it has been suggested that there may be room for some voyeuristic options, where Dylan may (player's choice) observe Sophia being approached by other men, allowing some form of groping (e.g. during dancing) or not, at the player's discretion .
We know that after the dancing they will move to the rooftop of the nightclub for a drink (yes booze may have a role in the event)
Retreat to a somewhat quieter place
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The seemingly romantic setting could be ideal for them to talk and get even closer and more intimate. Sophia will probably be very proud and fond of Dylan's efforts to make the evening special for her. A first passionate kiss, not part of the usual sex-ed routine, could happen here, given the location.
After having fun in the club, they go back home and Dylan offers to finish the beautiful evening in the hot tub. But...
Back home again
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That "but" of course raised a lot of questions and theories. It could be that someone is still awake at home when the lights come on (the same as Sam's event) and they have to wait, or Sophia has to make the risky decision to continue. It could be Liam waking up briefly during the night (he was asleep when they left) or Ellie coming back from Christine's.
It could simply be that they don't have their swimsuits with them and don't want to go back in the house to avoid waking someone up, so Sophia has to decide to go in her underwear (she's not wearing a bra under that dress).
Also note that the wedding ring is back on. The way they walk, arms around each other, suggests that they are still role-playing.
As usual, that bag held by Dylan closed with a clip piqued the curiosity of many. Some suggested that it contains massage oils for another deeper massage than the previous one or even condoms to continue the sex-ed. In reality, L&P solved the mystery for us (a recurring thing when talking about bags and their contents :-D ) and as suggested by some , it contains the dessert they took from the club to enjoy in the hot tub. Of course, he didn't say HOW they were going to enjoy it
The next teaser does not solve the "but" mystery per se, but it does show them getting into the hot tub in their underwear.
Absorbed in astonishment
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Dylan is looking at Sophia half naked, still covering her breasts after what happened in part 1. It could be to tease Dylan, as she did in Sam's bedroom during the painting, or it could be the usual "reflex" (again, as in Sam's bedroom when she posed in front of him).
This is the start of the last part of the event, which should be the hottest part , unless there is another change of location. Some have suggested that at some point the "action" may return to Dylan's bedroom , perhaps for another photoshoot to revive the one on the magazine .
If they stay in the hot tub, it seems almost inevitable that at some point they will both be naked. There were hints in part 1 when Dylan insisted that it should be natural for a mother and son to be comfortable being naked together. And he even pushed the envelope by taking off his swimming trunks. Kissing, touching and groping should be the natural continuation of the previous event here. Going further could mean the first sexual act, probably with Sophia on the receiving end. This could make it "even" with Sam, if we want to keep score in this particular competition. Others have suggested a HJ, let's see if we get to that point.
What could happen?
Something that can be indirectly inferred from the slow pace of development on this release is that, whatever happened, there were some major technical difficulties that caused the animation(s) to be cancelled and took many days (according to L&P) to render just the "normal" scenes. It has been suggested that the technical difficulties may have been related to the presence of water (e.g. an underwater scene with dynamic water that takes time to render) or the low light settings for the scene. Or even both. This could mean that Sophia feels uncomfortable being naked or bare-breasted in the hot tub (especially with the peeping tom next door
Given the size of the event in terms of renders one may also wonder if there will be again some (awkward) flashbacks, maybe about the shooting and what happened during that trip with Liam.
Other questions that may need some answer:
- Who will interrupt the two lovebirds in the hot tub? After all, interruption is AWAM's trademark, isn't it?
- When will the cliffhanger about Liam being the magazine photographer be resolved? Probably it should be resolved at the very beginning of the event and seeing how happy they were back then, it might give Dylan the idea for the date. As part 2 and the date night is an alternative to Christine's party, we can expect the resolution to take place in the shared part before branching out, otherwise it will remain unresolved in Christine's path.
In reality we already know that there is nothing much about it, Sophia is just embarrassed to talk about it, as we saw in Part 1 when Dylan started to call the photographer a "wanker" because he didn't attempt anything with Sophia, and Sophia, upset by that name-calling
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Python:dy "Oh my God, then something happened! What a fuckin' wanker!"s "Don't say such things! I mean... it was nothing!" dy "Shit, Mom, what happened back then? I need to know!" s "The hell you do!" dy "Otherwise, the uncertainty will kill me! I can keep secrets, you know that. You can trust me!" s "*Sigh.* Maybe I'll tell you sometime. But it really wasn't what you might think!" dy "Okay, I'll hold you to that!"- Will there be a transition out of the sex-ed routine and how will that happen? Sophia has already started to question her feelings at the end of part 1 and Dylan has already confessed his desire for her. Probably the date will start again as an innocent role-play, pushed by Dylan, and the adrenaline rush on the dance floor, the booze and the possible romantic moment on the rooftop will help the transition out of the mon/son and the sex-ed. We'll see how it goes.
- Will Dylan at the end of the day finally get Sophia's panties as a reward for a great date? https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-185-lust-passion.5944/post-11260300 We know from part 1 that Sophia discovered her panties in Dylan's room, where he candidly admitted his crime. Will Sophia let him take her panties at the end of the evening?
As a final remark, we would be better try to enjoy the release because it could be the last update featuring Sophia for quite some time if L&P is going to take a break to work on the steam version.
How to get the event.
The event **should be** available only if Dylan has not been invited to Christine's party. It's hard to say what Dylan's relationship with Marie should be: in part 1, Dylan could be on Christine's path, on Marie's path, on both at the same time, or on neither. But it was probably a bug.
If you don't have the saves and you still want to play it normally with all the options, you might need to set some variables in order to get the event. You can set the variable values with Renpy console, theYou must be registered to see the links, or the Universal Renpy Mod.
Since this event is just following the previous one the easier thing is to start from the last save of part 1 (ca va sans dire, you need to have chosen all the lewd choice, only Sophia's recollection of her first time is optional and it does not have an impact on the story) and in any case you can refer to this post. Here are some of the variables that may be important to have set correctly.
Variable Value Meaning filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is met This is usually needed to further advance with the more daring choices. dylan78 That should be the max points that Dylan can have after part 1. For that a threshold of 27 was necessary to trigger the event. You can cheat and put 1000 just to be sure. day20_Christine_invites_Dylan_to_her_partyFalsethis is necessary day20_Dylan_withheld_from_cupping_Maries_boobFalse/TrueNot clear if Marie will prevent the event Emma_and_Dylan_coupleFalseIf Dylan/Emma prevents any further development it would be better to avoid this path.
At least he isn't as bad as ICSTOR. Not yet, or maybe not at all, time will tell.
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Edit: Your full post won't show in my reply so know I'm replying to more than the part about ICSTOR.
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Solid reply I even liked because it's well thought out and serious.
The few areas of question or disagreement are ones that we actually don't.
When asked if I think second base is pretense to fucking, I make it clear that I both don't mean outright fucking as much as going further. Even more, a direct focus on her ability to change her emotions (physical and mental) on a dime and the other behaving in a way that perfectly falls in line with it. It comes off as weird and very unbelievable.
Then, I even wrote that the dynamic between her kids should be that way. Other guys? No. Her son and daughter? Of course.
So that's not even a disagreement as much as, at most, a misunderstanding.
The rest is total agreement or a slight difference I can totally understand.
I'll end by saying that I also never once claimed L&P's renders are anything but terrific! That's not his issue. Frankly, it's a reason to get help as it should not have taken 4 months to make that update. If it did and does...you need some help with the work.
I think his real issue is writing, planning and execution of the story if we pretend he isn't outright milking it.
Let us pretend for a second that he really is the Kubrick of adult VNs. He demands perfection, lol.
In this obviously fake scenario, his perfectionism is getting in the way of the work he's a perfectionist about. It's the equivalent of taking 25 years to make a film and the film turns out to be Cocaine Bear, lol. Mildly entertaining but otherwise nonsense and not needing a 25 year shooting process. One could assume that Cocaine Bear could be made in a couple years...with help.
But solid post. Really.
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You are just playing with words.
No matter what you call Playboy magazine, no one equates it with porn games or porn videos.
Also, just because there is no porn in a magazine doesn't mean that a porn game or a porn video doesn't have to be porn.
And I didn't know that there were people who thought 'gangbang' was high-level sex.
Most people put gangbangs, bukkake, and anal sex in the 'dirty sex' category.