Ren'Py Altered Destiny [v0.08c] [ICCreations]

[LWtbo]

It just doesn't matter, your so called "friend" could erase you from timeline because she was horny, she also broke her promise to you to not go after your mother. Even though she didn't initiate, she didn't even try to stop her either. I'm fine she is in the story but not as friend. She could be main villain for Lucifer's sake. I would despise MC if he forgives and welcomes her into his life. She just played Russian roulette by pointing gun to your head. No sane people do that to their friend.

Respectfully disagree seems much is being said about she must be a total bitch because could of stoped him being born.
or she didn't care as if she would wipe the MC out of existance becuase she didn't know or didn't care if his mom was pregnant already.

And thats partly down to the DEV who probably thought it was odvious enough that Kim knew the mom was already pregnant with the MC and his TWIN sister that he didn't add it into the scene.

He didn't think that the players woulld think that Kim and his Mom don't really know each other why would mom tell Kim she's pregnant so he didn't add it into a scene.

Although the Dev has tried to explain this to players already by saying its odvious Mom was already pregnant thats why she was crying,
Well hate to say it but its not odvious to men however to a woman it more than likely was odvious.
You can agree with me or disagree but most men will have witnessed the allmost uncanny way one woman can sence what another is thinking or feeling and sometime can use that to guess spot on exactly whats just happend.

I have an Older sister I have seen it happen it's fucking spooky I know.

It's a comman mistake for a dev to forgot most of his players a men who think like men.
I say this as a man myself diffrence is I'm a man who has more female friend than male.
I still don't know how the female mind works but I have seen it in action.

I have seen my sister meet a girl and within ten minutes know most of her life story.
She even knew the girl had had an abortion 5 years earlyer it's crazy what girls can find out from each other in a small amount of time after meeting.

So the idea that Kim who spent most of the day with MC's mom thanks in no small part to the slow MC himself.
wouldn't of figgered out herself or even have been told by the mom that she was actually pregnant is neigh near impossible.

So stop useing it as an excuse to justify not liking Kim she's selfish true, bossy definatly, arogant most of the time, Thoughtless you betcha. deffencive beyond belief, Spitefull, vindictive, vengfull who knows maybe maybe not we don't know her well enough yet.
Is what she did in 02a enough to kick her to the kurb and sever all ties Yes it fucking was.
but that was 02a.

But I the Idea she would fuck her Best and what seems only friend out of exsistance I don't believe that for a second.
If you hate her still fine its your choice but the very Idea that she would delibratly wipe her bestfriend out of existance I don't believe that for a secound.

And I'm telling you now with almost 100% certainty especially if it was RL but even in this game there is no way Kim didn't know his Mom was already pregnant with Him and his Sister before anything happend at the water tower.
The only way she didn't know would be if Kim is actually a man in drag this whole time.

Just Sayin.

 

[Meridian]

Respectfully disagree seems much is being said about she must be a total bitch because could of stoped him being born.
or she didn't care as if she would wipe the MC out of existance becuase she didn't know or didn't care if his mom was pregnant already.

And thats partly down to the DEV who probably thought it was odvious enough that Kim knew the mom was already pregnant with the MC and his TWIN sister that he didn't add it into the scene.

He didn't think that the players woulld think that Kim and his Mom don't really know each other why would mom tell Kim she's pregnant so he didn't add it into a scene.

Although the Dev has tried to explain this to players already by saying its odvious Mom was already pregnant thats why she was crying,
Well hate to say it but its not odvious to men however to a woman it more than likely was odvious.
You can agree with me or disagree but most men will have witnessed the allmost uncanny way one woman can sence what another is thinking or feeling and sometime can use that to guess spot on exactly whats just happend.

I have an Older sister I have seen it happen it's fucking spooky I know.

It's a comman mistake for a dev to forgot most of his players a men who think like men.
I say this as a man myself diffrence is I'm a man who has more female friend than male.
I still don't know how the female mind works but I have seen it in action.

I have seen my sister meet a girl and within ten minutes know most of her life story.
She even knew the girl had had an abortion 5 years earlyer.

So the idea that Kim who spent most of the day with MC's mom thanks in no small part to the slow MC himself.
wouldn't of figgered out herself or even have been told by the mom that she was actually pregnant is neigh near impossible.

So stop useing it as an excuse to justify not liking Kim she's selfish true, bossy definatly, arogant most of the time, Thoughtless you betcha. deffencive beyond belief, Spitefull, vindictive, vengfull who knows maybe maybe not we don't know her well enough yet.
Is what she did in 02a enough to kick her to the kurb and sever all ties Yes it fucking was.
but that was 02a.

But I the Idea she would fuck her Best and what seems only friend out of exsistance I don't believe that for a second.
If you hate her still fine its your choice but the very Idea that she would delibratly wipe her bestfriend out of existance I don't believe that for a secound.

And I'm telling you now with almost 100% certainty especially if it was RL but even in this game there is no way Kim didn't know his Mom was already pregnant with Him and his Sister before anything happend at the water tower.
The only way she didn't know would be if Kim is actually a man in drag this whole time.

Just Sayin.

I kind of agree with you but I think this whole "a woman would know that Julia is pregnant" stuff is bullshit. I am sure Kim knew but only because Julia shared it with her. And I dont think developer wanted to make her pregnancy obvious. I think its more like he didnt want to make it obvious to create more tension and this is why Kim doesnt mention it in 0.2 when she tries to explain herself.

 

[despot444]

The literary conundrum is that even though Kim made a mistake that would be hard to forgive - it led to provideing MC with everything he ever wished, stable family with solid income, happy and loving mother which makes it hard to hold a grudge.

If I shoot you in the head and you survive by pure luck and become a savant would you thank me for shooting you?

Emotions run high, and she looks for consolation, they hug and one thing leads to another - I can see how Kim could make the mistake (knowing that MC's mother is already pregnant with MC and sister).

That's the another problem, Julie didn't remarry, she grew her children alone because of that. By changing pass, you literally destroyed Julie MC knew about, she is his mother just purely by fcking DNA. He lost all of his memories she shared with. She is basically clone of his mother. This is why I despise Back to the Future series. New family is not the family he knew. Also quick note; already pregnant means nothing, Julie just could have abortion because she wanted to have new family with MC's teacher.

 

[LWtbo]

already pregnant means nothing, Julie just could have abortion because she wanted to have new family with MC's teacher.

Ok thats just grasping at straws.
First off if his mom would do that it means MC's mom is just a selfish bitch and not the Mom you say he knew.
So if MC hates Kim he would allso hate his Mom oh wait she can't be his mom because he dosen't exsist anymore his mom aborted him Paradox much?
Secoundly although not impossible but highly implausible and highly unlikley that a woman would abort twins just to later adopt kids to have a family with the Teacher because they won't be any relation to the Teacher anyway.
Its not like the Teacher can donate her own sperm.
So that leaves cloneing going a bit far fetched don't you think although the games has time travel so maybe not.

but if you that determined to Hate Kim for something that is so unlikly i'm sure I won't convince you anyway.
Your choice.

Just Sayin

 

[Meridian]

That's the another problem, Julie didn't remarry, she grew her children alone because of that. By changing pass, you literally destroyed Julie MC knew about, she is his mother just purely by fcking DNA. He lost all of his memories she shared with. She is basically clone of his mother. This is why I despise Back to the Future series. New family is not the family he knew. Also quick note; already pregnant means nothing, Julie just could have abortion because she wanted to have new family with MC's teacher.

Ok thats just grasping at straws.
First off if his mom would do that it means MC's mom is just a selfish bitch and not the Mom you say he knew.
So if MC hates Kim he would allso hate his Mom oh wait she can't be his mom because he dosen't exsist anymore his mom aborted him Paradox much?
Secoundly although not impossible but highly implausible and highly unlikley that a woman would abort twins just to later adopt kids to have a family with the Teacher because they won't be any relation to the Teacher anyway.
Its not like the Teacher can donate her own sperm.
So that leaves cloneing going a bit far fetched don't you think although the games has time travel so maybe not.

but if you that determined to Hate Kim for something that is so unlikly i'm sure I won't convince you anyway.
Your choice.

Just Sayin

I understand an anrgument that a change in past can lead to anything even if Julia is pregnant already or how Julia from new present can be a whole different person due to changes. This is a pretty valid point but guys this is a porn game about time traveling. You gotta cut it some slack. If you are gonna analyze time travel stories closely like that then 90% of them will just come apart.

I am sure Kim will realise that a change in past couldve ended up creating a present where mc doesnt exist even if Julia was pregnant already so she will feel very guilty and sorry. And Julia will be the same person except a bit happier and married to Penny.

 

[LWtbo]

Oh wait it gets better If the mom aborted the MC so she could have a family with the teacher then the MC we was playing never exsisted unless we are actually playing the Clone.
So if we are playing a Clone MC that only came about because mom aborted the original because she wanted a family with the teacher then why are we pissed at Kim.
After all if Kim hadn't fucked the mom and the Clone MC hadn't brought the teacher to meet the mom while looking for Kim at the water tower then the selfish mom wouldn't of aborted the original MC and his sister inorder to instead have clones with the teacher.
there by this Clone MC wouldn't exsist if anything wouldn't he actually be thankfull to Kim?.

Just pointout how absurd it can get

 

[VentureZapatist]

I don't think it makes sense to point out all the inconsistencies of this game's time travel given that the dev didn't have a whole lot of space to develop its rules yet. Also, in one of his previous games the MC is literally his own grandfather, so don't expect things to make sense.

I also see no reason to be upset about the original 0.2a ending. Kim was always presented as someone that would fuck up like that and I'm sure she will work things up with the MC - who seems more reasonable than the average player I would say. Mods, that was not aggressive, I'm a good boy now.

 

[Dustellar]

People is mad now (me included) but

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we will forget about it, the benefit of being a female best friend because we would never forget the same betrayal if it were a male best friend... it's clear ICCreations didn't expect so many people against it because let's be honest usually girl on girl action is hot as hell, we're just mad that they left us out of the fun for now.

 

[Sinister Dahlia]

If I shoot you in the head and you survive by pure luck and become a savant would you thank me for shooting you?

I can do you one better
If you shoot me in the head and I survive by pure luck and become a savant - then because of my powers save the countless lives including my family and children - would I NOT thank you?
We can go in circles about a piece of literary fiction probably not to be nominated for Hugo award this year.
As it is, this event (Kim vs Mom) was conceived to be one of the main story drivers and the MC internal struggle to adapt to the change - one of the key motivations.
Again I applaud your opinion and think nothing is wrong with it

That's the another problem, Julie didn't remarry, she grew her children alone because of that. By changing pass, you literally destroyed Julie MC knew about, she is his mother just purely by fcking DNA. He lost all of his memories she shared with. She is basically clone of his mother. This is why I despise Back to the Future series. New family is not the family he knew. Also quick note; already pregnant means nothing, Julie just could have abortion because she wanted to have new family with MC's teacher.

Julie did not marry in the original timeline, her hardship stems from being a single mom. I agree that such change in circumstances would affect Julie's character, probably making her more positive, but MC will miss on all that "good times" and be marooned in a non-existing timeline. As answer to your quick note - 20 years back an abortion may have been harder to perform, and having a loving and supportive partner (Penny) would steer Julie immensely towards keeping the children (as they cannot have their "OWN"). SO we can go in circles here too.
Main question is - since MC's main motivation is for his family to have better life (specially his mother) would he sacrifice it for "correcting" the timeline?

 

[Madtt]

can someone please upload the patch,my mega is not working

 

[Meridian]

can someone please upload the patch,my mega is not working

 

[Madtt]

Thank you.

 

[Dongus420]

Wow!

Really enjoyed that. The story is unique and really well done. So many different possibilities to go with, so much different directions for the story to go. Fantastic.

Can't wait for more.

 

[SecretSal]

That's the another problem, Julie didn't remarry, she grew her children alone because of that. By changing pass, you literally destroyed Julie MC knew about, she is his mother just purely by fcking DNA. He lost all of his memories she shared with. She is basically clone of his mother. This is why I despise Back to the Future series. New family is not the family he knew.

That's always the dilemna with disturbing the timeline. Is improving a loved one's life worth the cost of sacrificing your shared history together? Probably need to judge on a case-by-case basis.

Sometimes, changes you think are good have unintended results. Like in Star Trek: TNG when Picard goes back and prevents the bar fight that gets him stabbed in the heart, but that takes the edge and drive off his personality, and he never smashes through the Starfleet ranks to become captain.

In the game's case, I personally think the trade-off was worth it. Julia's life was in a downward spiral, and she was most likely headed to an early grave, with the exhaustion, stress, and smoking. MC might not share memories with her any more, but they have time to create more now. Opinions may vary, of course.

 

[Meridian]

Maybe next time main character changes past and returns to present developer can show him relive the effect of those changes through some kind of fast flashback? So he will have memories of life his new present self had in addition to his original life memories.

 

[Jstforme]

Maybe next time main character changes past and returns to present developer can show him relive the effect of those changes through some kind of fast flashback? So he will have memories of life his new present self had in addition to his original life memories.

Well, maybe if it's the MC that makes a change...but it was Kim that made the first change. It's safe to say that she'll be the one making the changes moving forward based on the positive results of her first change. There is nothing about her personality that says she'll stop from initiating other seductions or let the other MC of the story do anything other than follow her lead and cheer her on.

 

[DA22]

Well, maybe if it's the MC that makes a change...but it was Kim that made the first change. It's safe to say that she'll be the one making the changes moving forward based on the positive results of her first change. There is nothing about her personality that says she'll stop from initiating other seductions or let the other MC of the story do anything other than follow her lead and cheer her on.

Well one assumption that is made by most so far is that the change had only positive outcomes. I would be kinda surprised though if after Kim and MC get to know the new reality better it will not have some pretty negative outcomes for either of them as well or making that disaster they saw come closer, necessitating them to change more in past. Now if there was justice in this game the negative consequences would mainly hit Kim where it hurts her seriously. Also starting her redemption arc and giving MC a reason to help her anyway even if angry.

 

[KeiNineX]

Now if there was justice in this game the negative consequences would mainly hit Kim where it hurts her seriously. Also starting her redemption arc and giving MC a reason to help her anyway even if angry.

Yea, I don't think that's gonna happen. Given what we've seen so far from her character and how she gets away with everything she's probably with MCs sister in this "version" of present. That will literally be the ultimate "Fuck You" to the MC if it ends up this way, which I think it does, it just fits.

 

[Deleted member 60986]

If you had the choice to fuck Kim's mom in the past before she was pregnant I bet 100% all of you would have chosen that without a second thought about Kim being born or not.

 

[Meridian]

If you had the choice to fuck Kim's mom in the past before she was pregnant I bet 100% all of you would have chosen that without a second thought about Kim being born or not.

To be honest I would save before the choice, fuck Kims mom and watch the scene then load my save and choose not to fuck her for my main playthrough. I am nice like that.