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Double-dick Tremolo. Chernobyl versionThat would be a good investment of money for the Throuple.
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Keeping warm and fighting inflationAs Quinn constantly loses her money, the money is not well spent with Quinn. The MC should, instead of giving Quinn the money, rather make a fire with the money, then he has it at least warm.
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or give the money to Quinn and she'll keep Fuckface warmAs Quinn constantly loses her money, the money is not well spent with Quinn. The MC should, instead of giving Quinn the money, rather make a fire with the money, then he has it at least warm.
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Why go through all that trouble, just go grab that absurd costume contest trophy!
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If you did that, she'd more likely throw you out in the parking lot naked again....or give the money to Quinn and she'll keep Fuckface warm
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sounds like a fun timeIf you did that, she'd more likely throw you out in the parking lot naked again....
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Point taken considering that's most likely what got Bella interested in the MC to start with.sounds like a fun time
That quick peek she got surely must have awakened her hidden lust..
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Is this game still following the side story season 3 introduced or are we back on the main story path yet?
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I think I've said it before, but if he adds a shop where I can buy a Riona body pillow I don't think I'll resist the urge to buy one
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Jesus fucking fuck. I keep reminding myself every few months why I mostly ignore this thread. I read it for a few days and the memories start surfacing again why I steer clear of this shit. I can't fucking deal with reading the same issues being regurgitated over and over again. And I know answering questions does nothing cause in a few months they will all come again. Nonetheless, I'm in a special mood lately, so here goes nothing:
MC&Zoey scene is almost at the start of the interlude if you want it, or just go to the gallery after you've played it.
Now, my personal opinion: Interlude will take at most two hours to complete, and that is if you're rather slow at reading. It's pretty good and does a great job at setting up Zoey. You should play it, as most likely she will be an important character in the future. But you do you.
They have also told you that the 5000$ MC gets from inheritance, as well as the 500$ he may spend on the Q&R threesome are REAL money, though.
Any time money gets mentioned in dialogue in green it's pocket money. In orange it's mansion/PP money.
If there is no text formatting on the money, then it's almost certainly a representation of real money. So when the MC mentions it without text formatting, it's a real value. So the 5000$ is real and so is the 500$.
It's not actually confirmed those are real values, but the text formatting is a strong implication that it's supposed to be a real value, as well as those being some of the only realistic values for prices in the game.
- Quinn most likely pays off her debt by the end of EP8. She is shown with a bunch of money and smiling at it. I think there's even a user that regularly posts here with a profile picture of a render from that scene. I think she has a yellow shirt on that one, but I have no save to check and confirm it.
Considering she charged double to her clients for their latest order, and she also got a huge new order with the Pink Rose girls, she is probably not struggling with money anymore.
Also, the MC may have a conversation with Quinn close to the end of EP9.. All this happens after MC's and Vinny's confrontation. Quinn asks if MC can fight, and then asks if he will be free some time later. Considering both topics come in quick successsion, it seems to indicate her possibly needing him for help/protection. It's most likely related to what happened to her in EP6, but that is just speculation, and I hate speculating... unless I happen to be right.
Last but not least: it's kinda weird how people here criticize Jill so much. She is personally not my favorite LI (it's Josy), but she does have my favorite path/branch. Also, considering how she is favoured on Reddit, Steam and Patreon, why is it so different here? My guess it's cause it's less about sex and more about romance with her. Even her sex scenes are fewer in number than the other LI's, as well as being more 'vanilla'. Sage, on the other hand, seems to be a favorite here, and has tons of sexual content. Considering f95 is a site specifically about that kind of content, I guess that could explain the difference. That is all I had to say for this topic. Nothing of real substance, just some food for thought.
Now please stop saying stupid shit, everyone. I wanna go back to not commenting, but you keep making me do it.
- You can't pass it. You HAVE to play through it at least once, unless you use a savegame after the interlude. Most you can do is skip the dialogue. Go to "Settings -> "Dialogue" -> check "Skip unseen text". Make all options at random until you finish interlude. After it's over and EP9 starts, re-import your save and choose the option to skip to EP9. After, you'll be given two options. 'Calm down' makes Zoey non-DIK, 'take phone' makes Zoey DIK. And then you will be immediately presented with the end screen of the interlude.
MC&Zoey scene is almost at the start of the interlude if you want it, or just go to the gallery after you've played it.
Now, my personal opinion: Interlude will take at most two hours to complete, and that is if you're rather slow at reading. It's pretty good and does a great job at setting up Zoey. You should play it, as most likely she will be an important character in the future. But you do you.
$5000 to help with Maya tuition loan?
Checked how much average college in US costs:
"The average college tuition and fees at four-year schools in 2020-2021 was $19,020. The average total cost for a year of college at a four-year school — including tuition and fees, on-campus room and board, books, supplies, and other expenses — was $35,551. That's roughly $142,000 over the course of four years."
- MC, in a convo with Maya during EP7 (after Patrick leaves, and you choose the option to hug Maya), points out that the 5000$ would almost cover a semester. No need for calculations. Still, yes, like you insinuated, it's not even close to be enough to really help Maya.
- People have already told you like 5 times how it works. Pocket money, as well as Mansion money and Party Planning money are just money tokens, not real money. Everyone, including you, gets it.
They have also told you that the 5000$ MC gets from inheritance, as well as the 500$ he may spend on the Q&R threesome are REAL money, though.
Any time money gets mentioned in dialogue in green it's pocket money. In orange it's mansion/PP money.
If there is no text formatting on the money, then it's almost certainly a representation of real money. So when the MC mentions it without text formatting, it's a real value. So the 5000$ is real and so is the 500$.
It's not actually confirmed those are real values, but the text formatting is a strong implication that it's supposed to be a real value, as well as those being some of the only realistic values for prices in the game.
"I bet we get the option to pay off Quinn's debt on the others path."
- Quinn most likely pays off her debt by the end of EP8. She is shown with a bunch of money and smiling at it. I think there's even a user that regularly posts here with a profile picture of a render from that scene. I think she has a yellow shirt on that one, but I have no save to check and confirm it.
Considering she charged double to her clients for their latest order, and she also got a huge new order with the Pink Rose girls, she is probably not struggling with money anymore.
Also, the MC may have a conversation with Quinn close to the end of EP9.. All this happens after MC's and Vinny's confrontation. Quinn asks if MC can fight, and then asks if he will be free some time later. Considering both topics come in quick successsion, it seems to indicate her possibly needing him for help/protection. It's most likely related to what happened to her in EP6, but that is just speculation, and I hate speculating... unless I happen to be right.
Last but not least: it's kinda weird how people here criticize Jill so much. She is personally not my favorite LI (it's Josy), but she does have my favorite path/branch. Also, considering how she is favoured on Reddit, Steam and Patreon, why is it so different here? My guess it's cause it's less about sex and more about romance with her. Even her sex scenes are fewer in number than the other LI's, as well as being more 'vanilla'. Sage, on the other hand, seems to be a favorite here, and has tons of sexual content. Considering f95 is a site specifically about that kind of content, I guess that could explain the difference. That is all I had to say for this topic. Nothing of real substance, just some food for thought.
Now please stop saying stupid shit, everyone. I wanna go back to not commenting, but you keep making me do it.
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I see another man of culture hereI think I've said it before, but if he adds a shop where I can buy a Riona body pillow I don't think I'll resist the urge to buy one
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Interesting. I definitely should pay more attention to colored text and other kind of text format from now on.
That must be me.
And yes, you're right. My profile pic is from that scene you mention.Have you seen how cute she looks there?
Well, you kind of speculated above when you said: "Quinn most likely pays off her debt by the end of EP8. She is shown with a bunch of money and smiling at it". She certainly might be happy because she collected enough money to pay her debt off. But it may also be for other reasons, like, for example, that she felt business was good at the moment.
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You just have to read through the comments to see why it's different. The vast majority of them aren't about the lack of sexual content with her but about her lack of personal choices. It always comes down to fate with her. And even when she is bothered by something the doesn't express that, instead she keeps it herself and then turns around and blames it on the MC or again just says it's not meant to be. I think a lot of her route is just poorly written/implemented by DPC. He tries so hard to push drama in the route that he just breaks the whole thing. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not as long as he can play that card.
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The story is fiction,
and so is most all mentions of money,
only thing that really matters in the VN is the story plots.
So why is the fictional value of different denominations even an issue?
Is that what it's like living life sober?
If so, think I'll spark up another bowl.
and so is most all mentions of money,
only thing that really matters in the VN is the story plots.
So why is the fictional value of different denominations even an issue?
Is that what it's like living life sober?
If so, think I'll spark up another bowl.
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WooHoo, thx for reading, at first
I warned that I was going to express my personal vision of the importance of someone, their role in the plot, and so on. And also the fact that I do it in an unusual way, firstly through comparison with author's previous game, and secondly through the prism of the author paying attention to certain characters more than others; through the use of narrator's replicas for some characters and in certain situations; through the creation of variability for certain characters and options for interaction and development of relationships with them. If a couple of characters get all this at once, but others don't, this is a reason to think about why this is happening. That was the main idea of the post and the angle the conclusions were drawn.
Therefore, I would prefer criticism and arguments about the coherence of some points and facts with their supposed importance, but not criticism of my approach to analysis in general and view angle on particular things.
This is counterproductive and it looks like a dispute for the sake of a dispute. I.e., I propose to accept my approach and my method of investigating the importance and priority of something as my personal view, and even if you disagree, then let's discuss it from my point of view, disputing the facts and their importance as arguments and justifications for the importance of something. Rather than trying to neglect or criticize my approach in general. So if the idea and target of your post to refuse me or anyone else to try to have a look at the game aspects from such angle, then I should allow myself agree to disagree.
So, I'll try to skip the parts where and which you considered as an incorrect approach to analysis on my side or it will be an infinite arguing for the sake of arguing. I will try to reply on the parts in which you underestimated or tried to lower the role or importance of some facts and their coincidence as a proofs of something.
And since english is not my native language too, I'm sure and I'm bet that I fucked up the right expression of my real thoughs into the words several times at least. A little typos or using an incorrect word in particular phrase may distort the meaning a lot or less. I did my best to correct typos and express my thoughts in a simpler way and words to avoid misunderstanding. But I know it's not enough. So, finally, my usual options is to shut up and just read others posts or post something I have on my mind and hope that most of people would understand it right.
I have pointed out the reasons that make me think so, and it's your right to disagree with it. My opinion and your opinion do not change anything. We are here to discuss the game, theories, preferences and various aspects of all this from different points of view. And the more approaches are used, the better. Even if some of approaches seems wrong to you. After all, it's better than looking at everything one-sidedly. Even Dalli-x brings up something interesting and valuable from time to time. This is one of the reasons, after the game itself, why we are on almost 20k page number. It's like the books, the writing and writing style of some books can be off-putting in essence and implementation for some readers. Or like a critics reviews. Different critics use different approaches for evaluating a product, its advantages and disadvantages, pros and cons. People prefer different reviews for this reason. Everyone likes various styles or approaches.
A huge part of the plot and story are built around their characters, their problems, their relationships (with MC and between each other).
While most of other characters and MGs/SGs have their own and independent parts and role in the plot and story, you may easily find the proofs that most of MGs/SGs are also heavily involved and intertwined with J&M here and there. The one of main reasons, which pushed MC to select a single love interest in EP8 was the fact, that he finally realized that "everyone knows everyone here", including MGs, which became friends with each other as well. And how badly things turning out over time if he date them all at a time (but even this is an option of how to play - honest and faithul to one LI or pursue several MGs at a time).
Since I want to discuss and pay attention to the facts, here it is:
Sage involvement:
- she convinces J&M to return to HOTs and since then their close interaction and friendship begins;
- she learns Maya's secret and shares her own with Maya, she also learns about J&M relationship;
- she is trying to help Maya with her student loan problem;
Bella involvement:
- nothing significant until EP9, but while playing the Bella branch, we learn that that she is well aware of J&M;
Jill involvement:
- she became Josy's friend early;
- she is a Maya's second chance to solve the problem and, obviously, they also became friends and get along;
Quinn involvement:
- she was a Maya's "mother";
- she was the one, who accepted Josy's pledge on purpose to fuck with Tommy's buttons a bit;
- she was a reason of J&M drama with them leaving the HOTs;
- she is an unavoidable source of futher troubles to them, which also means a reason for additional scenes as well;
MC involvement:
- it's easier to say where they don't interact than the other way around; even on friends path we are mostly miss only a lewd scenes with them, while most of the rest scenes remains intacted, even some of lewd scenes gets a special "non-lewd" replacements sometimes. So it's another unique J&M feature that no other MGs has and that no one else can offer.
I don't want to spend time on side characters and other SGs which also interacts and intertwines with J&M, it's not worth it. But it's safe to say, that there is a lot to list to.
Now compare the above with situation, when MC on any other MG path or vice versa. You will always get a lot of J&M scenes, because according to the game plot they are very good friends with MC and he supports and helps them from the beginning, and, which is most important - he want to. You may like it or not, but it's how DPC writes his story. MCs interactions with J&M are mostly unavoidable. Since most of other MGs content becomes very limited and optionable or just cutted off in case you're not on their path/branch. I'm talking now mostly about the first two seasons, since Season 3 begins with new branching system. But I'm sure and I bet that J&M will still have their "canon" scenes - common and ones which shared among the all branches, as usual and will still occupy a big part of plot, story, renders & "screen" time in different scenes. MC himself (which also reflects author view) consider them as his good friends, which means that he supposed to help them from time to time here and there. This adds additional content with them despite the selected branch or path and extends the interaction time and the number of common (canon) scenes. What does it mean? We have their own individual branch which occupy some space and part of the game. And, additionally, we have a lot of their content that is shared between the rest of MG branches as well. And finally, J&M branch and Josy and Maya as an individual characters offers the largest number of relationships permutations with them & MC, which also adds an additional content for all particular variations accordingly. Let's take a look of most fresh episode 9. If we play with a break up sub-branch/permutation, then each MG branch in this episode have to show us a bunch of scenes, renders and dialogues here and there during the whole episode. It's just a one of examples, but from a fresh Season 3. It's still there, and DPC has to reflect each outcome and permutation with them through scenes, renders and dialogues. It means "additional screen time".
I consider the narrator part and MC inner thoughts as one the most important and valuable proofs of attitude, level of affection, crush or love to a particular girl and so on, according it's a reflection of author position and view. On the other side - we can compare how many times this technique and method have been used for each MG.
I wrote enough lines from different part of the game in my post.
J&M part:
- at the beginning of the game, Josy literally opens it with MC dreams which are comes to true later;
- she is the only one, who MC talks about with his dad, and later MC also implies Maya too, when he have a phone call with dad; - Even Jill didn't awarded this, which is quite weird, right?
- reread the conversation of Elena & JB at the dorm party regarding MC & Josy;
- MC expresses his feelings of how it's good to be with Josy, how does he feel good around her, etc several times. She also expresses her feelings in the same way several times. EP5 - choice her to follow with to Maya dorm, while she want to keep it slowly, both of them can't help so the brakes don't work. EP7 - night in MC room after leaving Maya dorm & Patrick, read the whole dialogue after lewd scene, what they say to each other. EP8 gym lewd scene, short dialogue after, EP8 dorm party dance. No words needed, emotions through renders shown to us and Elena & JB conversation as a bonus. Even side people see "something" between them. The closest competitor here is only Jill. We can't predict what will happen in next episodes, but it's important to notice how deep & fast J&M relationships and their affection to each other grows. Now check the dialogues with other MGs in lewd scene and after them and in some particular moments, when they discuss or express feelings. Compare numbers, compare words said, compare emotions and a feeling of reciprocity and confidence in words, their sincerity, if you like. Only Jill's late EP8 scene could be a competitor here. Why you think Sage & Bella was made as an optionally "rejectable" MGs? Because MC & girls themselves are not sure where are they going and how it will turn. Both, for obvious reasons which they frankly discuss in some of the scenes. The same goes with rejection. Sage & Bella the ones who get easy rejects with a very less regrets from girls and MC sides. It all takes only a few short scenes with a pair of renders and dialogue lines. There're zero consequences for us after that, with an exception of Bella & Jill permutation.
Because a lot of signs of this accumulated already and awaits to unfold. It's your problem that you don't see it or don't expect. The main evidence with points of importance for our previous choices and decisions - when some particular previous MC action or decision are shown in a recap when fresh episode starts. In EP9 we seen a recap with "feelings for Josy" or "Maya" which was selected (or not) looooong ago in EP5. While DPC brings back this MCs decision and puts this into EP recap, and some things start to happen in same episode, then it's a hint for potential break up and separation to happen soon. Probably in EP10, maybe 11 or 12. But it's very close. It's a not a question of their conversation. It's a about their relationship which works quite poor w/o MC. We have an options to help them and cool down their fights and arguing, the particular variables are stored. It also gives us a clues for possible outcomes. MC may help them by supporting them and act as a their real friend, or he can start to sabotage their relationship silently by distancing from them and not interfere. Depending on selected "feelings for" option previously it could open a single path to one or another girl after their relationship collapses finally. Being on some MG branch and having that "feelings for" option could open a cheating variations with them.
Speculations vs facts. MC calls Josy "my girl" before they become official and long before they committed to each other in EP9. And at the EP9 end he calls them both "my girls". He also have an opportunity to say to Maya that he like her openly - twice. Jill - after fully commiting to her in EP8 scene (boyfriend/girlfriend words), while not being official at that moment, Sage & Bella are still in it's infancy, even in episode 9. "My girl" expression is the most sincere one. Because it means and expresses something very special and dear, rather than a trivial "girlfriend".
DPCs duality mechanics in action. But still, MC only mentions/ask for help/involve his dad only with J&M.
You mention EP7 (you forgot about EP5) and say that feelings would probably fade. But you mention the EP9 first. Then you mention 1 week distance (EP7 conversation) as a potential reason for not fading feelings, but doesn't mention that EP9 events is about 2 months later and Josy's feelings are clearly at the same place. Re-read the dialogue in EP7 on the friends path with feelings for Josy picked before, she says that she supposed that feeling will fade, but admits that it doesn't happen. Obviously it's the reason why we see and have that EP9 scene during a photoshoot. Finally, answer the question, with what purpose did the DPC made that variations with feelings left for one of the girls in the EP5 at all and why does it leads to a different consequences. Game remembers this choice and transfers all the variables that relate to aspects of the relationship with J&M into the 3rd season in full. I already mentioned above the EP9 recap scenes based on that variables, now it's time to figure it out by yourself. It's 1+1, not even a 2+2 thing.
I have to agree with you here. It's silly to call dad and ask him each time when MC faces relationship problems with another girls after he already got that single and good advice to follow his heart. Also he have DIK brothers (Derek especially) and Elena to pour his soul, discuss something and ask for adivice if he want to. But it doesn't cancel the scene with dad & Josy.
And since we are talking about families, Josy is the first, whose dad MC want to meet himself. Jill makes an offer to meet her parents and dialogue options let MC to doubt the necessity of this. It doesn't change a lot, but shows the MCs attitude in similar situations, but with with different girls. We doesn't have such options and opportunities with Bella & Sage for obvious reasons.
I don't want to repeat and copy-past replies, reasons are mostly here:
https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-9-1-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-11097969
I never told that some girls bad, some good, other is better, etc. I tryed to find out why DPC pays so much attention to every little details with J&M, why they use RP system, while the rest of MGs are not, etc. Should I mention all that again?
It was meant that some characters received their imagery and appearance at the very beginning of development and did not change at all, which indirectly emphasizes that the DPC was satisfied with them and did not change or improve anything over time. For example, Jill was not originally planned at all and was added at the very last moment. What does it mean? That a bunch of scenes and dialogues had to be completed so that the character "integrated" into the plot and doesn't seem a hastily sewn on. According to DPC about a pre-worked out story and plot, then just adding a whole new character, and even MG, is a non-trivial task.
It's doesn't explain why the other MGs collects and gains / loses RPs as well, stores them as a variable, but never uses. At least in 1-9 EP, so far. RP checks in J&M case was always used "for fun", at least for today. You get nothing else than different renders so far. So what is it? It's just DPCs affection to bringing up all this little things or it mean something more? What's the purpose of collected and stored RPs for other MGs and it's further use?
While you're trying to substantiate every fact or little details I mentioned regarding J&M and most of your arguments are logical and reasonable, you forget about the very essence of the reason why all these details and facts appeared in principle. You know my position. I consider J&M special and unique in compare to other MGs and since it's DPC, who creates the game, it's characters and all these details, I assume that he have a some kind of affection/attitude whatever else it is for J&M or for Throuple/poliamoric relationships as is, since AL had shown similar patterns. There're a lot more characters in BADIK and this helps to dillute and hide a bit the signs of this among all this characters, but compairing 1 by 1 each MG with J&M it's safe to say that J&M receive much more attention from DPC. Each particular detail it's not an innocent renders, you have also implement all of it in code and game script, store and trace all variables, which allows to call for previous circumstances, MC choices and decisions to be able to reflect all this variativity, etc. It may look innocent or simple, but take a look at the game code. Some variables and our choices come to play after several episodes only. One thing is to trace and work with variables, which linked with something significant and directly affects the story and playthrough, the other thing is to trace purely cosmetic stuff intended to show player some details, which not every player could notice w/o compairing renders 1 by 1. You could say that's bc DPC likes such details, likes to point out some clue or hint to player through them, and you would be right, but you are in trap now, bc you will not find nothing similar for any other MG. What's prevented DPC to put such little things into every MG path & scenes through the all episodes we already played? Reason --> Consequence.
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Now let's remember that DPC is not lazy when it comes to such moments, so it's not like a "I will use the same render, nobody will notice", since he proofs each time and do a very well with characters emotions through facial expressions and minimal adjustments to reflect particular emotions or changes in mood. Check some renders, sometimes only the position of the character's eyeballs may change there, or an eyebrow or lip may shift by just a couple of millimeters, but this is always a reaction to something - a phrase, an event, or an expression of mood and feelings.
In this particular scene DPC showing us the same render in all circumstances - when MC have feeling for Josy, when he haven't and despite he said to her (think about her all the time, from time to time or that they were doomed to fail). Imo, this means that MC have concern and he always in doubt regarding Josy. It doesn't happen in J&M branch, obviously.
differences in words are quite noticable
The effort DPC put in both break up scenarios is not comparable. Like you this or not, I consider it as a major indicator of event importance and adjustments for players feelings and emotions. I didn't meant that Jill scene is not sad. It also severe, but compare of how it's goes with her and with J&M.
Jill joins the the party, they figured things out and while it's hard to say MC & Jill are ok, but she mostly forgive him already and they talked a little. Scene is not small, but made via flashback, party is not affected at all, MC doesn't suffer and torture himself with thoughts.
J&M on the other hand. DPC constantly makes MC to have some inner thoughts and concern. This ruines party mood and expected fun. Interaction with J&M is minimized and some of the scenes altered in the way to remind of inevitable drama to unfold. You will not find any symbolism in Jill's scene. It's just good and heartbreaking scene with a sincere dialogue, but that's all. Symbolism here in there in J&M break up scenes and preparations for it is the same little details and attention to them that we seen before. And finally, this break up is not over. It's just begun. It's safe to say that we will have similar to Jill scene(s) with Josy. So, it probably should last for 2 episodes at min, and we have to learn the consequences as well.
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I can't help if you don't see the reasons. And what's the point of ranting of how it WOULD be if DPC WOULD do it in one or another way? He did it as he did, it's a fact. You have to work with fact, since episode released and think of reasons why it was made in this particular way rather that theoretise of how else it would be done.
What happens after break up, but before episode end? We see a small scenes on Jill and Bella branches. Jill aware that one of the girls MC had dumped is Josy. Bella aware of their relationship and that MC was with them. Only Sage have no clue, bc MC is afraid to kill her mood and become a boner killer again. Even after break up they receive such special attention. DPC may simplify it in a couple of ways, but he doesn't.
I agree with your thoughts here and the way of your thinking.
It's time to think about the meaning of my post and connect all the dots together.
Who has the best chances, who has more potential endings, where the endings can be really good in terms of the future fate of MC and relationships.
Take a look at AL one more time, as is already a finished product with endings and everything else, and think about which endings are "canonical" there and following this logic - which MG/SG are canonical and which are not.
I will not be offended and will not suffer a lot if the DPC will "pull up" the Bella and Sage branches to an equivalent level with J&M and Jill. Equal chances and satisfaction for different players and MG stans would be great. But it doesn't imply enough drama levels then. So MC wouldn't regret and get some happy end with them. At the moment such outcomes are not plausible. It may change, it may not. We are still a few years away from release of the last episode.
I agree on this part, especially with the last sentences.
I'm biased, but I don't hate particular MGs like some agressive and blind fans. I play through all MG and SG routes and paths, while some people here and there are not, bc I find it exciting and the only way to explore and enjoy the whole story, not only the part.
I find my thoughts in that part as quite honest and plausible. Both from game and IRL positions and points of view. I pointed cons and pros and potential outcomes and material for game endings. I never mentioned very personal things and affections such as girls appearance, models, their lewd scenes. College years, age, society status and levels, families, perspectives are more important in terms of relationships success, good or bad endings and plausible outcomes. So, even if you find some biased moments there then I prefer to see you cons and pros for each MG rather than how dare I to think about endings and predict them. What's wrong with that? It's quite more useful than ranting about MG boobs, skin, hair, kinks, etc. it's funny and normal when in moderation, but it becomes terribly tedious when it turns into holy wars. But maybe it's only me.
This is also one of the DPC talents, imo he perfectly matches the music to certain scenes. I noticed it on my first playthrough and I'll never change my mind about it. A decent soundtrack is only half the case, but it is much more important that all the tracks fit into place in each case. I just noticed that Sage doesn't have her "music theme" if you want, since rest of MGs and even some of SGs have their music themes. I'm talking about unique scenes, lewd scenes, hangouts, flashbacks and so on. I haven't meant somebody's personal playlist or preferences.
Great, it took me 3 days - 2 hours per day to reply to your post
I played the pirate copy of S1-2 in Sep, 2022 for a first time. 2 weeks later I bought game on Steam. Then I joined reddit BADIK sub-channel, because I was excited with game and had a lot of questions. Then I joined those waiting of EP9, it's good that when I enjoyed the game enough and went through most of the variations and paths, I was two months away from the release.
I played each route several times for different goals and permutations, affinities, etc. So if you think I'm a crazy J&M stan you're wrong. I like their path/branch a lot, but it doesn't mean that I play only J&M or even I do it more often than other routes.
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I know this game pretty well, better than you might think.
https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-9-1-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-10648057
Check this one for example, it was one of my the first valuable posts here, when I decided to spent more time here than on reddit.
- Jan 16, 2023
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After making my last post, I thought perhaps I stuffed my bowl too much. Now seeing this post, I realize how wrong I was. It wasn't packed enough..WooHoo, thx for reading, at first
I warned that I was going to express my personal vision of the importance of someone, their role in the plot, and so on. And also the fact that I do it in an unusual way, firstly through comparison with author's previous game, and secondly through the prism of the author paying attention to certain characters more than others; through the use of narrator's replicas for some characters and in certain situations; through the creation of variability for certain characters and options for interaction and development of relationships with them. If a couple of characters get all this at once, but others don't, this is a reason to think about why this is happening. That was the main idea of the post and the angle the conclusions were drawn.
Therefore, I would prefer criticism and arguments about the coherence of some points and facts with their supposed importance, but not criticism of my approach to analysis in general and view angle on particular things.
This is counterproductive and it looks like a dispute for the sake of a dispute. I.e., I propose to accept my approach and my method of investigating the importance and priority of something as my personal view, and even if you disagree, then let's discuss it from my point of view, disputing the facts and their importance as arguments and justifications for the importance of something. Rather than trying to neglect or criticize my approach in general. So if the idea and target of your post to refuse me or anyone else to try to have a look at the game aspects from such angle, then I should allow myself agree to disagree.
So, I'll try to skip the parts where and which you considered as an incorrect approach to analysis on my side or it will be an infinite arguing for the sake of arguing. I will try to reply on the parts in which you underestimated or tried to lower the role or importance of some facts and their coincidence as a proofs of something.
And since english is not my native language too, I'm sure and I'm bet that I fucked up the right expression of my real thoughs into the words several times at least. A little typos or using an incorrect word in particular phrase may distort the meaning a lot or less. I did my best to correct typos and express my thoughts in a simpler way and words to avoid misunderstanding. But I know it's not enough. So, finally, my usual options is to shut up and just read others posts or post something I have on my mind and hope that most of people would understand it right.
I have pointed out the reasons that make me think so, and it's your right to disagree with it. My opinion and your opinion do not change anything. We are here to discuss the game, theories, preferences and various aspects of all this from different points of view. And the more approaches are used, the better. Even if some of approaches seems wrong to you. After all, it's better than looking at everything one-sidedly. Even Dalli-x brings up something interesting and valuable from time to time. This is one of the reasons, after the game itself, why we are on almost 20k page number. It's like the books, the writing and writing style of some books can be off-putting in essence and implementation for some readers. Or like a critics reviews. Different critics use different approaches for evaluating a product, its advantages and disadvantages, pros and cons. People prefer different reviews for this reason. Everyone likes various styles or approaches.
A huge part of the plot and story are built around their characters, their problems, their relationships (with MC and between each other).
While most of other characters and MGs/SGs have their own and independent parts and role in the plot and story, you may easily find the proofs that most of MGs/SGs are also heavily involved and intertwined with J&M here and there. The one of main reasons, which pushed MC to select a single love interest in EP8 was the fact, that he finally realized that "everyone knows everyone here", including MGs, which became friends with each other as well. And how badly things turning out over time if he date them all at a time (but even this is an option of how to play - honest and faithul to one LI or pursue several MGs at a time).
Since I want to discuss and pay attention to the facts, here it is:
Sage involvement:
- she convinces J&M to return to HOTs and since then their close interaction and friendship begins;
- she learns Maya's secret and shares her own with Maya, she also learns about J&M relationship;
- she is trying to help Maya with her student loan problem;
Bella involvement:
- nothing significant until EP9, but while playing the Bella branch, we learn that that she is well aware of J&M;
Jill involvement:
- she became Josy's friend early;
- she is a Maya's second chance to solve the problem and, obviously, they also became friends and get along;
Quinn involvement:
- she was a Maya's "mother";
- she was the one, who accepted Josy's pledge on purpose to fuck with Tommy's buttons a bit;
- she was a reason of J&M drama with them leaving the HOTs;
- she is an unavoidable source of futher troubles to them, which also means a reason for additional scenes as well;
MC involvement:
- it's easier to say where they don't interact than the other way around; even on friends path we are mostly miss only a lewd scenes with them, while most of the rest scenes remains intacted, even some of lewd scenes gets a special "non-lewd" replacements sometimes. So it's another unique J&M feature that no other MGs has and that no one else can offer.
I don't want to spend time on side characters and other SGs which also interacts and intertwines with J&M, it's not worth it. But it's safe to say, that there is a lot to list to.
Now compare the above with situation, when MC on any other MG path or vice versa. You will always get a lot of J&M scenes, because according to the game plot they are very good friends with MC and he supports and helps them from the beginning, and, which is most important - he want to. You may like it or not, but it's how DPC writes his story. MCs interactions with J&M are mostly unavoidable. Since most of other MGs content becomes very limited and optionable or just cutted off in case you're not on their path/branch. I'm talking now mostly about the first two seasons, since Season 3 begins with new branching system. But I'm sure and I bet that J&M will still have their "canon" scenes - common and ones which shared among the all branches, as usual and will still occupy a big part of plot, story, renders & "screen" time in different scenes. MC himself (which also reflects author view) consider them as his good friends, which means that he supposed to help them from time to time here and there. This adds additional content with them despite the selected branch or path and extends the interaction time and the number of common (canon) scenes. What does it mean? We have their own individual branch which occupy some space and part of the game. And, additionally, we have a lot of their content that is shared between the rest of MG branches as well. And finally, J&M branch and Josy and Maya as an individual characters offers the largest number of relationships permutations with them & MC, which also adds an additional content for all particular variations accordingly. Let's take a look of most fresh episode 9. If we play with a break up sub-branch/permutation, then each MG branch in this episode have to show us a bunch of scenes, renders and dialogues here and there during the whole episode. It's just a one of examples, but from a fresh Season 3. It's still there, and DPC has to reflect each outcome and permutation with them through scenes, renders and dialogues. It means "additional screen time".
I consider the narrator part and MC inner thoughts as one the most important and valuable proofs of attitude, level of affection, crush or love to a particular girl and so on, according it's a reflection of author position and view. On the other side - we can compare how many times this technique and method have been used for each MG.
I wrote enough lines from different part of the game in my post.
J&M part:
- at the beginning of the game, Josy literally opens it with MC dreams which are comes to true later;
- she is the only one, who MC talks about with his dad, and later MC also implies Maya too, when he have a phone call with dad; - Even Jill didn't awarded this, which is quite weird, right?
- reread the conversation of Elena & JB at the dorm party regarding MC & Josy;
- MC expresses his feelings of how it's good to be with Josy, how does he feel good around her, etc several times. She also expresses her feelings in the same way several times. EP5 - choice her to follow with to Maya dorm, while she want to keep it slowly, both of them can't help so the brakes don't work. EP7 - night in MC room after leaving Maya dorm & Patrick, read the whole dialogue after lewd scene, what they say to each other. EP8 gym lewd scene, short dialogue after, EP8 dorm party dance. No words needed, emotions through renders shown to us and Elena & JB conversation as a bonus. Even side people see "something" between them. The closest competitor here is only Jill. We can't predict what will happen in next episodes, but it's important to notice how deep & fast J&M relationships and their affection to each other grows. Now check the dialogues with other MGs in lewd scene and after them and in some particular moments, when they discuss or express feelings. Compare numbers, compare words said, compare emotions and a feeling of reciprocity and confidence in words, their sincerity, if you like. Only Jill's late EP8 scene could be a competitor here. Why you think Sage & Bella was made as an optionally "rejectable" MGs? Because MC & girls themselves are not sure where are they going and how it will turn. Both, for obvious reasons which they frankly discuss in some of the scenes. The same goes with rejection. Sage & Bella the ones who get easy rejects with a very less regrets from girls and MC sides. It all takes only a few short scenes with a pair of renders and dialogue lines. There're zero consequences for us after that, with an exception of Bella & Jill permutation.
Because a lot of signs of this accumulated already and awaits to unfold. It's your problem that you don't see it or don't expect. The main evidence with points of importance for our previous choices and decisions - when some particular previous MC action or decision are shown in a recap when fresh episode starts. In EP9 we seen a recap with "feelings for Josy" or "Maya" which was selected (or not) looooong ago in EP5. While DPC brings back this MCs decision and puts this into EP recap, and some things start to happen in same episode, then it's a hint for potential break up and separation to happen soon. Probably in EP10, maybe 11 or 12. But it's very close. It's a not a question of their conversation. It's a about their relationship which works quite poor w/o MC. We have an options to help them and cool down their fights and arguing, the particular variables are stored. It also gives us a clues for possible outcomes. MC may help them by supporting them and act as a their real friend, or he can start to sabotage their relationship silently by distancing from them and not interfere. Depending on selected "feelings for" option previously it could open a single path to one or another girl after their relationship collapses finally. Being on some MG branch and having that "feelings for" option could open a cheating variations with them.
Speculations vs facts. MC calls Josy "my girl" before they become official and long before they committed to each other in EP9. And at the EP9 end he calls them both "my girls". He also have an opportunity to say to Maya that he like her openly - twice. Jill - after fully commiting to her in EP8 scene (boyfriend/girlfriend words), while not being official at that moment, Sage & Bella are still in it's infancy, even in episode 9. "My girl" expression is the most sincere one. Because it means and expresses something very special and dear, rather than a trivial "girlfriend".
DPCs duality mechanics in action. But still, MC only mentions/ask for help/involve his dad only with J&M.
You mention EP7 (you forgot about EP5) and say that feelings would probably fade. But you mention the EP9 first. Then you mention 1 week distance (EP7 conversation) as a potential reason for not fading feelings, but doesn't mention that EP9 events is about 2 months later and Josy's feelings are clearly at the same place. Re-read the dialogue in EP7 on the friends path with feelings for Josy picked before, she says that she supposed that feeling will fade, but admits that it doesn't happen. Obviously it's the reason why we see and have that EP9 scene during a photoshoot. Finally, answer the question, with what purpose did the DPC made that variations with feelings left for one of the girls in the EP5 at all and why does it leads to a different consequences. Game remembers this choice and transfers all the variables that relate to aspects of the relationship with J&M into the 3rd season in full. I already mentioned above the EP9 recap scenes based on that variables, now it's time to figure it out by yourself. It's 1+1, not even a 2+2 thing.
I have to agree with you here. It's silly to call dad and ask him each time when MC faces relationship problems with another girls after he already got that single and good advice to follow his heart. Also he have DIK brothers (Derek especially) and Elena to pour his soul, discuss something and ask for adivice if he want to. But it doesn't cancel the scene with dad & Josy.
And since we are talking about families, Josy is the first, whose dad MC want to meet himself. Jill makes an offer to meet her parents and dialogue options let MC to doubt the necessity of this. It doesn't change a lot, but shows the MCs attitude in similar situations, but with with different girls. We doesn't have such options and opportunities with Bella & Sage for obvious reasons.
I don't want to repeat and copy-past replies, reasons are mostly here:
https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-9-1-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-11097969
I never told that some girls bad, some good, other is better, etc. I tryed to find out why DPC pays so much attention to every little details with J&M, why they use RP system, while the rest of MGs are not, etc. Should I mention all that again?
It was meant that some characters received their imagery and appearance at the very beginning of development and did not change at all, which indirectly emphasizes that the DPC was satisfied with them and did not change or improve anything over time. For example, Jill was not originally planned at all and was added at the very last moment. What does it mean? That a bunch of scenes and dialogues had to be completed so that the character "integrated" into the plot and doesn't seem a hastily sewn on. According to DPC about a pre-worked out story and plot, then just adding a whole new character, and even MG, is a non-trivial task.
It's doesn't explain why the other MGs collects and gains / loses RPs as well, stores them as a variable, but never uses. At least in 1-9 EP, so far. RP checks in J&M case was always used "for fun", at least for today. You get nothing else than different renders so far. So what is it? It's just DPCs affection to bringing up all this little things or it mean something more? What's the purpose of collected and stored RPs for other MGs and it's further use?
While you're trying to substantiate every fact or little details I mentioned regarding J&M and most of your arguments are logical and reasonable, you forget about the very essence of the reason why all these details and facts appeared in principle. You know my position. I consider J&M special and unique in compare to other MGs and since it's DPC, who creates the game, it's characters and all these details, I assume that he have a some kind of affection/attitude whatever else it is for J&M or for Throuple/poliamoric relationships as is, since AL had shown similar patterns. There're a lot more characters in BADIK and this helps to dillute and hide a bit the signs of this among all this characters, but compairing 1 by 1 each MG with J&M it's safe to say that J&M receive much more attention from DPC. Each particular detail it's not an innocent renders, you have also implement all of it in code and game script, store and trace all variables, which allows to call for previous circumstances, MC choices and decisions to be able to reflect all this variativity, etc. It may look innocent or simple, but take a look at the game code. Some variables and our choices come to play after several episodes only. One thing is to trace and work with variables, which linked with something significant and directly affects the story and playthrough, the other thing is to trace purely cosmetic stuff intended to show player some details, which not every player could notice w/o compairing renders 1 by 1. You could say that's bc DPC likes such details, likes to point out some clue or hint to player through them, and you would be right, but you are in trap now, bc you will not find nothing similar for any other MG. What's prevented DPC to put such little things into every MG path & scenes through the all episodes we already played? Reason --> Consequence.
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Now let's remember that DPC is not lazy when it comes to such moments, so it's not like a "I will use the same render, nobody will notice", since he proofs each time and do a very well with characters emotions through facial expressions and minimal adjustments to reflect particular emotions or changes in mood. Check some renders, sometimes only the position of the character's eyeballs may change there, or an eyebrow or lip may shift by just a couple of millimeters, but this is always a reaction to something - a phrase, an event, or an expression of mood and feelings.
In this particular scene DPC showing us the same render in all circumstances - when MC have feeling for Josy, when he haven't and despite he said to her (think about her all the time, from time to time or that they were doomed to fail). Imo, this means that MC have concern and he always in doubt regarding Josy. It doesn't happen in J&M branch, obviously.
differences in words are quite noticable
The effort DPC put in both break up scenarios is not comparable. Like you this or not, I consider it as a major indicator of event importance and adjustments for players feelings and emotions. I didn't meant that Jill scene is not sad. It also severe, but compare of how it's goes with her and with J&M.
Jill joins the the party, they figured things out and while it's hard to say MC & Jill are ok, but she mostly forgive him already and they talked a little. Scene is not small, but made via flashback, party is not affected at all, MC doesn't suffer and torture himself with thoughts.
J&M on the other hand. DPC constantly makes MC to have some inner thoughts and concern. This ruines party mood and expected fun. Interaction with J&M is minimized and some of the scenes altered in the way to remind of inevitable drama to unfold. You will not find any symbolism in Jill's scene. It's just good and heartbreaking scene with a sincere dialogue, but that's all. Symbolism here in there in J&M break up scenes and preparations for it is the same little details and attention to them that we seen before. And finally, this break up is not over. It's just begun. It's safe to say that we will have similar to Jill scene(s) with Josy. So, it probably should last for 2 episodes at min, and we have to learn the consequences as well.
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I can't help if you don't see the reasons. And what's the point of ranting of how it WOULD be if DPC WOULD do it in one or another way? He did it as he did, it's a fact. You have to work with fact, since episode released and think of reasons why it was made in this particular way rather that theoretise of how else it would be done.
What happens after break up, but before episode end? We see a small scenes on Jill and Bella branches. Jill aware that one of the girls MC had dumped is Josy. Bella aware of their relationship and that MC was with them. Only Sage have no clue, bc MC is afraid to kill her mood and become a boner killer again. Even after break up they receive such special attention. DPC may simplify it in a couple of ways, but he doesn't.
I agree with your thoughts here and the way of your thinking.
It's time to think about the meaning of my post and connect all the dots together.
Who has the best chances, who has more potential endings, where the endings can be really good in terms of the future fate of MC and relationships.
Take a look at AL one more time, as is already a finished product with endings and everything else, and think about which endings are "canonical" there and following this logic - which MG/SG are canonical and which are not.
I will not be offended and will not suffer a lot if the DPC will "pull up" the Bella and Sage branches to an equivalent level with J&M and Jill. Equal chances and satisfaction for different players and MG stans would be great. But it doesn't imply enough drama levels then. So MC wouldn't regret and get some happy end with them. At the moment such outcomes are not plausible. It may change, it may not. We are still a few years away from release of the last episode.
I agree on this part, especially with the last sentences.
I'm biased, but I don't hate particular MGs like some agressive and blind fans. I play through all MG and SG routes and paths, while some people here and there are not, bc I find it exciting and the only way to explore and enjoy the whole story, not only the part.
I find my thoughts in that part as quite honest and plausible. Both from game and IRL positions and points of view. I pointed cons and pros and potential outcomes and material for game endings. I never mentioned very personal things and affections such as girls appearance, models, their lewd scenes. College years, age, society status and levels, families, perspectives are more important in terms of relationships success, good or bad endings and plausible outcomes. So, even if you find some biased moments there then I prefer to see you cons and pros for each MG rather than how dare I to think about endings and predict them. What's wrong with that? It's quite more useful than ranting about MG boobs, skin, hair, kinks, etc. it's funny and normal when in moderation, but it becomes terribly tedious when it turns into holy wars. But maybe it's only me.
This is also one of the DPC talents, imo he perfectly matches the music to certain scenes. I noticed it on my first playthrough and I'll never change my mind about it. A decent soundtrack is only half the case, but it is much more important that all the tracks fit into place in each case. I just noticed that Sage doesn't have her "music theme" if you want, since rest of MGs and even some of SGs have their music themes. I'm talking about unique scenes, lewd scenes, hangouts, flashbacks and so on. I haven't meant somebody's personal playlist or preferences.
Great, it took me 3 days - 2 hours per day to reply to your post
I played the pirate copy of S1-2 in Sep, 2022 for a first time. 2 weeks later I bought game on Steam. Then I joined reddit BADIK sub-channel, because I was excited with game and had a lot of questions. Then I joined those waiting of EP9, it's good that when I enjoyed the game enough and went through most of the variations and paths, I was two months away from the release.
I played each route several times for different goals and permutations, affinities, etc. So if you think I'm a crazy J&M stan you're wrong. I like their path/branch a lot, but it doesn't mean that I play only J&M or even I do it more often than other routes.
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I know this game pretty well, better than you might think.
https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-9-1-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-10648057
Check this one for example, it was one of my the first valuable posts here, when I decided to spent more time here than on reddit.
Y'all are going to make me smoke through my stash much sooner than I had anticipated....
STOP IT!
