L1m1tl3ss

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Now, I totally disagree with that. Saying your sorry does matter, just like forgiveness matters. In a way, my whole country (the US) was built on the idea of a second chance. That's why I so hate this modern culture of cancelled for ever. I think that's an evil concept.
It matters but only if you actually take responsibility for what you did wrong after you say you're sorry. People who repeatedly tell others that they're sorry and that they acknowledge what they did was wrong, then go and do the exact same mistake time and time again without taking accountability for any of it are the worst kinds of people. There are a bunch of people like that who will label themselves as "broken people" only to encourage themselves to keep that up, as if they don't really have much of a choice anyway.
 

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Saying your sorry does matter, I agree. But saying you're sorry and repeating the same behavior over and over demonstrates that your apology lacks sincerity and you view the apology as currency to exchange for bad behavior.
It takes some people a few tries to get it right. Look at Robert Downey Jr. He fucked up over and over again until he finally hit rock bottom. Even went to jail. But if he hadn't of been forgiven we would have missed out on all the best of the Marvel movies
 
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Is there a way to update the steam version to the current release using these files? Or would I be better off just downloading everything here?
 

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I thought the reason why people not like Tommy was already universal revealed. He is the only one in the Diks who not dick ride MC 24/7 about how awesome he is. and Since the player is the MC, Well . . . .
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I don't really mind tommy, I can always beat him up and fucking his sister is a win win situation. I'm just waiting for his mother to show up to deliver the final blow. :KEK:
 

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Sage is also technically in a relationship, if you play the fuck-buddy variant. If you friend-zone her until episode 7, it's not even technically cheating. But even with the fuck-buddy route she doesn't go beyond kissing MC without first getting proof of Chad's cheating. She should have broken up with Chad herself instead of trying to find out who his partner was, but even so all the blame falls onto Chad. The fact that the relationship was a lie to start with makes Sage's "cheating" even less meaningful.
Hold up just a second, No No No No . What Sage doing is way worse. She has no intention to leave the Guy, and still continue the cheating. Josy and Maya or both made a slip, and more so MC is the one who take the step, in Josy case she did ask if he wants to stay the night sure , and MC accept it. Sage legit starting to Jerk him off, and yeah she tell him the rules, but in the end of the day it is still more assritive move than, what Josy did.
However the key is that Sage continue be in relationship with Chad, and considering herself as being in relationship. and She not break up with him, He does. In fact, if in any case Chad would show intrest in her She would be all over him.

I mean she is no way better moral stand than the other cheaters, Josy , Maya, Jade, Bella.
and yet she still get far less hate for the same actions what Josy and Maya did, that is the double standard of this whole argument. Jojo and Maya get all kind of judgment, but the 2 other main girl , they never get the same treatment.

Yeah that is the Bullshit
 

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It takes some people a few tries to get it right. Look at Robert Downey Jr. He fucked up over and over again until he finally hit rock bottom. Even went to jail. But if he hadn't of been forgiven we would have missed out on all the best of the Marvel movies
And I'm sure he (rightfully) lost a lot of relationships along the way. Sharing forgiveness is a good and admirable quality, but if someone in your life habitually repeats the same bad behaviors that negatively affect you despite multiple chances for change, it's perfectly justified to remove them from your life if you feel it's necessary for your own health and happiness. If they later improve themselves and get there behavior under control, maybe then you might consider extending forgiveness again and re-establishing that connection, but there shouldn't be an expectation that someone must be forgiven either.
 

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On the subject of cheating. To my mind in relationships the unofficial matters a great deal. Marriage is a legal contract and in a divorce things like evidence matter and should, but morally speaking it is not wrong to sleep with someone else when your spouse's actions have already broken the relationship beyond repair. At that point "cheating" is a mere technicality. In the courtroom those technicalities matter, but morality focuses on the spirit of the agreement not the letter. Most relationships in BADIK are of course not marriages, but if you think of them as verbal agreements the moral consideration is pretty much seamless. Breaking the agreement has no legal consequences, but morally the cheating is just as meaningful.

How does this apply to BADIK characters? Let's start with Bella. She has had no contact with her husband in three years and has reason to believe that he is dead. Her actions with the MC being adultery is a technicality. It's debatable if it should even be considered that since if James is alive he has effectively abandoned her. Bella herself feels guilty about it, because she has not fully moved on emotionally, but objectively there is nothing wrong with her actions. At least nothing wrong where James is concerned. Jill on the other hand has some cause to complain. As does anyone else who was led on by MC.

Jade on the other hand is definitely still married to Stephen. Those actions are adultery. It just so happens that Stephen's multiple adulteries across the years reduce Jade's to a legal technicality. Jade definitely isn't innocent in their marriage falling apart, but we don't at this point know how things were before Stephen strayed for the first time. Jade may have been an incredibly bad spouse in other ways. But even if she was, Stephen still let the marriage keep going. If he wanted to keep his morality intact, he should have divorced Jade much sooner. Likewise Jade should have started the divorce process herself. Rather than moving on she uses MC as a means for revenge. She is not good, just better than Stephen.

Sage is also technically in a relationship, if you play the fuck-buddy variant. If you friend-zone her until episode 7, it's not even technically cheating. But even with the fuck-buddy route she doesn't go beyond kissing MC without first getting proof of Chad's cheating. She should have broken up with Chad herself instead of trying to find out who his partner was, but even so all the blame falls onto Chad. The fact that the relationship was a lie to start with makes Sage's "cheating" even less meaningful.

Maya and Josy cheat on each other. Neither knows about the other so it can't be called revenge. They try to make their relationship work anyway, but they both did cheat. However, unlike Jade, Stephen and Chad, their actions are very limited and very much fuelled by circumstance. Neither of them makes it a habit and they regret the little that does happen. The wrongs are forgivable, but their innocence does get a stain. It's not just a mere technicality the way it is with Sage and Bella.

And now the couple who got us onto the subject (this time anyway). Tommy and Heather are in an open relationship. However they do agree on rules. The rules are different from the conventional "no sleeping with other people", but breaking them is still cheating. Heather only cheats on Halloween. She is drunk, very angry, regrets it immediately and later breaks up with Tommy. Not a habit. Tommy? Very much a habit. And he definitely understands that he is cheating open relationship or not. Otherwise he would just tell Heather instead of telling the DIKs not to tell Heather. He could try calling it asking for forgiveness instead of asking for permission, but he tries so hard to avoid letting Heather know at all that it's just straight up cheating. It is also clear that he is simply aware of Heather's temper and wants to avoid the consequences of her finding out. He has no remorse over the deeds themselves.

Lastly there is MC himself. Weirdly enough with him the argument is the other way around. He can fuck around a LOT and technically it isn't cheating. He doesn't even have the verbal agreement level of a relationship with anyone so what he does isn't cheating. Technically. Morally it's still pretty bad, but there are some considerations. He does try to have something more meaningful with at least the main girls, but they all push him to arm's length one way or another. Bella insists that she is a married woman and Sage says they're just fuck-buddies. They change their minds later and so it becomes a matter of when he did it. Threesome with Mona and Camila? That was Hell Week. It's okay. Threesome with Riona and Camila? Not okay. Jill on the other hand gives a lot of signs of wanting a long term relationship. The obstacle is even a consequence of MC's own actions. It's not okay to fuck others just because she isn't ready. Josy and Maya? Well Maya did say no strings attached and Josy didn't voice her disagreement, but is it really okay? Well he isn't actually cheating. Technically.

And on the subject of Tommy being an asshole. It's a matter of default behaviour. Derek is an asshole in Gender Studies, but that is not his default, so he is not an asshole. The "feminist" girls in that class however are definitely assholes. If you treat half the people of the world like shit just because they have penises, you're an asshole. Most of what Tommy does is pretty minor, but his default behaviour with strangers is to be an asshole. The people he is somewhat decent with are the exception, not the rule. He can be quite likeable when you get to know him and show him what lines he shouldn't cross, but he is still an asshole. He is way better than Dawe, but he is an asshole. And if you make certain choices the MC is being an asshole too. And you were an asshole for making him do that. And by "you" I mean "me" in some of my runs.
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And I'm sure he (rightfully) lost a lot of relationships along the way. Sharing forgiveness is a good and admirable quality, but if someone in your life habitually repeats the same bad behaviors that negatively affect you despite multiple chances for change, it's perfectly justified to remove them from your life if you feel it's necessary for your own health and happiness. If they later improve themselves and get there behavior under control, maybe then you might consider extending forgiveness again and re-establishing that connection, but there shouldn't be an expectation that someone must be forgiven either.
Your confusing forgiving with enabling.
 

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Hold up just a second, No No No No . What Sage doing is way worse. She has no intention to leave the Guy, and still continue the cheating. Josy and Maya or both made a slip, and more so MC is the one who take the step, in Josy case she did ask if he wants to stay the night, sure but MC accept it. Sage legit startign to Jerk him off, and yeah tell him the rules, but in the end of the day it is still more assritive move than, what Josy did.
However the key is that Sage continue be in relationship with Chad, and considering yourself as being in relationship. and She not break up with him, He does. In fact, if in any case Chad would show intrest in her She would be all over him.

I mean she is no way better moral stand than the other cheaters, Josy , Maya, Jade, Bella.
and yet she still get far less hate for the same actions what Josy and Maya did, that is the double standard of this whole argument. Jojo and Maya get all kind of judgment, but the 2 other main girl , they never get the same treatment.

Yeah that is the Bullshit
Sounds like Sage can't stand up for herself and it took Chad breaking up with her plus she admits to having fears about messing up there friendship where as Josy is all in the wanting a relationship with MC at least Josy knows what she wants unlike Sage
 

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However the key is that Sage continue be in relationship with Chad, and considering herself as being in relationship. and She not break up with him, He does. In fact, if in any case Chad would show intrest in her She would be all over him.
Care to back up that claim? To me it reads that she just wants to know who the bitch is before she breaks up with him. Effectively the relationship is over. Sage just isn't ready to let go. It would be healthy to do that or at least acknowledge that the relationship is over, but she has every right to be mad.

Chad just pulls the "breaking up with them before they break up with you" move, like the coward he is.

Sage's cheating is just a technicality.
 

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Care to back up that claim? To me it reads that she just wants to know who the bitch is before she breaks up with him. Effectively the relationship is over. Sage just isn't ready to let go. It would be healthy to do that or at least acknowledge that the relationship is over, but she has every right to be mad.

Chad just pulls the "breaking up with them before they break up with you" move, like the coward he is.

Sage's cheating is just a technicality.
Nope. Sage tries to kiss Chad and goes ballistic when he refuses and blames steroids. At that point she was not yet decided on breaking up.
 
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Care to back up that claim? To me it reads that she just wants to know who the bitch is before she breaks up with him. Effectively the relationship is over. Sage just isn't ready to let go. It would be healthy to do that or at least acknowledge that the relationship is over, but she has every right to be mad.

Chad just pulls the "breaking up with them before they break up with you" move, like the coward he is.

Sage's cheating is just a technicality.
Sure. Remember that Chad ask Sage to help him get back to the Alphas, That was way after she had the evidence of him cheating. and the fucking guy Fucked up because he kissed her Forehead.

but overall, there was never an indication from Sage that She wants to break up with him. This whole "she wanted to find out who is the bitch so she could break up with him after ", is a very thin washing atempt of her behaviour.

She is cheating she constantly cheating it's a Revenge cheating to get back at chad. and the only time in the entire game when get inside of Sage head, inner monologue , and its confirm it.

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ChipLecsap

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Oh another thing . If you not enter the Fuck-buddies relationship with her in episode 2. By Episode 5, She does an another attempt, and you can start there, and up until that point she is still with Chad :whistle:.
She has no intention to end her relationship with chad. likely she has intention to scrapes out the other girl eyes. " Stay away from my boyfriend you skank " - or the usual girl fight thing :ROFLMAO:
 
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On the subject of cheating. To my mind in relationships the unofficial matters a great deal. Marriage is a legal contract and in a divorce things like evidence matter and should, but morally speaking it is not wrong to sleep with someone else when your spouse's actions have already broken the relationship beyond repair. At that point "cheating" is a mere technicality. In the courtroom those technicalities matter, but morality focuses on the spirit of the agreement not the letter. Most relationships in BADIK are of course not marriages, but if you think of them as verbal agreements the moral consideration is pretty much seamless. Breaking the agreement has no legal consequences, but morally the cheating is just as meaningful.

How does this apply to BADIK characters? Let's start with Bella. She has had no contact with her husband in three years and has reason to believe that he is dead. Her actions with the MC being adultery is a technicality. It's debatable if it should even be considered that since if James is alive he has effectively abandoned her. Bella herself feels guilty about it, because she has not fully moved on emotionally, but objectively there is nothing wrong with her actions. At least nothing wrong where James is concerned. Jill on the other hand has some cause to complain. As does anyone else who was led on by MC.

Jade on the other hand is definitely still married to Stephen. Those actions are adultery. It just so happens that Stephen's multiple adulteries across the years reduce Jade's to a legal technicality. Jade definitely isn't innocent in their marriage falling apart, but we don't at this point know how things were before Stephen strayed for the first time. Jade may have been an incredibly bad spouse in other ways. But even if she was, Stephen still let the marriage keep going. If he wanted to keep his morality intact, he should have divorced Jade much sooner. Likewise Jade should have started the divorce process herself. Rather than moving on she uses MC as a means for revenge. She is not good, just better than Stephen.

Sage is also technically in a relationship, if you play the fuck-buddy variant. If you friend-zone her until episode 7, it's not even technically cheating. But even with the fuck-buddy route she doesn't go beyond kissing MC without first getting proof of Chad's cheating. She should have broken up with Chad herself instead of trying to find out who his partner was, but even so all the blame falls onto Chad. The fact that the relationship was a lie to start with makes Sage's "cheating" even less meaningful.

Maya and Josy cheat on each other. Neither knows about the other so it can't be called revenge. They try to make their relationship work anyway, but they both did cheat. However, unlike Jade, Stephen and Chad, their actions are very limited and very much fuelled by circumstance. Neither of them makes it a habit and they regret the little that does happen. The wrongs are forgivable, but their innocence does get a stain. It's not just a mere technicality the way it is with Sage and Bella.

And now the couple who got us onto the subject (this time anyway). Tommy and Heather are in an open relationship. However they do agree on rules. The rules are different from the conventional "no sleeping with other people", but breaking them is still cheating. Heather only cheats on Halloween. She is drunk, very angry, regrets it immediately and later breaks up with Tommy. Not a habit. Tommy? Very much a habit. And he definitely understands that he is cheating open relationship or not. Otherwise he would just tell Heather instead of telling the DIKs not to tell Heather. He could try calling it asking for forgiveness instead of asking for permission, but he tries so hard to avoid letting Heather know at all that it's just straight up cheating. It is also clear that he is simply aware of Heather's temper and wants to avoid the consequences of her finding out. He has no remorse over the deeds themselves.

Lastly there is MC himself. Weirdly enough with him the argument is the other way around. He can fuck around a LOT and technically it isn't cheating. He doesn't even have the verbal agreement level of a relationship with anyone so what he does isn't cheating. Technically. Morally it's still pretty bad, but there are some considerations. He does try to have something more meaningful with at least the main girls, but they all push him to arm's length one way or another. Bella insists that she is a married woman and Sage says they're just fuck-buddies. They change their minds later and so it becomes a matter of when he did it. Threesome with Mona and Camila? That was Hell Week. It's okay. Threesome with Riona and Camila? Not okay. Jill on the other hand gives a lot of signs of wanting a long term relationship. The obstacle is even a consequence of MC's own actions. It's not okay to fuck others just because she isn't ready. Josy and Maya? Well Maya did say no strings attached and Josy didn't voice her disagreement, but is it really okay? Well he isn't actually cheating. Technically.

And on the subject of Tommy being an asshole. It's a matter of default behaviour. Derek is an asshole in Gender Studies, but that is not his default, so he is not an asshole. The "feminist" girls in that class however are definitely assholes. If you treat half the people of the world like shit just because they have penises, you're an asshole. Most of what Tommy does is pretty minor, but his default behaviour with strangers is to be an asshole. The people he is somewhat decent with are the exception, not the rule. He can be quite likeable when you get to know him and show him what lines he shouldn't cross, but he is still an asshole. He is way better than Dawe, but he is an asshole. And if you make certain choices the MC is being an asshole too. And you were an asshole for making him do that. And by "you" I mean "me" in some of my runs.
Good text. But here's one thing. Why is a threesome with Riona and Camila is not okay, if at that time MC is not yet in a relationship? I can understand that interactions with other girls after Ep 8 if you're on the route are a big no-no, like a blowjob from Heather or a kiss from Riona, but before that it's not that significant.
 
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Good text. But here's one thing. Why is a threesome with Riona and Camila is not okay, if at that time MC is not yet in a relationship? I can understand that interactions with other girls after Ep 8 if you're on the route are a big no-no, like a blowjob from Heather or a kiss from Riona, but before that it's not that significant.
Because Jill doesn't like it! :mad::mad::mad:
 

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Your confusing forgiving with enabling.
Alright, admittedly from a strict definition, I was misusing "forgiveness" when I probably meant "reconciliation". Applying a stricter definition, forgiveness is usually a good thing if for no other reason than letting go of anger and resentment is good for the mental health of the victim. But just because you forgive someone doesn't mean you have to reconcile with them or think they aren't immoral.
 
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