Man, can't believe I missed such a lively an generally well-rationed M&J debate.
Well, here's my 2 cents anyway.
I do kinda find it puzzling that it seems to go more mayas way than josy. I mean at least Maya was kinda more honest with letting mc believe she had a boyfriend. Where as josy let stuff happen before she said anything.
I think it comes down to people being OK with stealing a girl from their current partner in adult games, and since Josy straight-up tells the MC she has a boyfriend, then most people, even the Maya haters, don't/didn't seem to have a problem getting with Josy.
With Maya, she said it then rescinded it, which meant that it came as a shock later. People didn't understand why Maya withheld that information and were and still are incredibly judgmental and view her as a terrible person who committed an unforgivable sin, even though it really wasn't that bad.
But let's face it Maya wouldn't have done anything if it hadn't been for Quinn she has indirectly played Cupid with her rival because nothing turns out the way she wants
I like that idea that Quinn's the one responsible for making this relationship possible.
Thank you, Quinn.
Maya also cheated in her action. Namely Josy. Both of them cheated on this point. You could see that at the end of EP4 when MC revealed everything.
What is important in all these entanglements is the reason why they did it. And I think that was made quite clear.
They both felt alone and thought that their relationship was actually over. And suddenly the MC appears and gives them what they are missing. The feeling of being wanted, of no longer being alone with all their worries, someone who shows understanding.
And there are two kinds of people, in terms of trust. The type of person (Josy) who gives everyone an advance trust and the type of person (Maya) where trust has to grow.
And one thing must not be forgotten, they are still teenagers. Think back to your teenage years and the mistakes each of us made at that stage of our lives. (At 18/19 you are still a teenager).
I suppose that's what DPC wants to portray.
Very well said, dalli.
My thoughts exactly. The MC is a missing piece to their puzzle, and that's why without him it won't work, but with him it can and should work.
I once heard that the first people to lie to us are our parents
They tell us about Santa Claus.
They tell us about the Easter bunny.
They tell us our pet dog went to go live on a farm.
They tell us that drawing we did was
so good they'd
love to hang it on the fridge.
Yeah, parents lie all the time to their kids.
We've discussed this quite a bit in the past. Here are the facts:
- Maya's dad is controlling
- Maya's dad is not happy with Maya being a lesbian (it stems from his religious beliefs)
- Maya's dad is trying to interfere with her current gay relationship (with Josy) by threatening to withhold her tuition funds
- Maya's dad is a co-signer on her student loan
- Maya thinks that if her dad withholds the student loan funds she'll be financially fucked forever (no money for college and forever in debt)
What Maya believes about the loan situation, and what is actually real regarding the loan situation doesn't have to be the same. Similar to the Tybalt blackmail, what Jill believes doesn't have to match what is real.
What Maya believes is wrong. If she doesn't pay back the loan, her dad must pay it back, that's what a co-signer is; they are a guarantor for the loan in the event the borrower (Maya) fails to pay it back. So some of the money has been spent (on the first semester or year or whatever) and the remaining money is being held (illegally) by the dad.
To back that last statement up, here's Maya's words:
my "He fooled me into co-signing my student loan and afterward he gave me the ultimatum that I couldn't see Josy ever again."
my "If I did, he'd withhold the funds and I would be fucked financially for the rest of my life."
my "No money for college and forever in debt."
The deal with being a co-signer is that you bear the final responsibility for the repayment but you get nothing out of it (you don't get the cash, you don't own the asset that is being purchased or in this case the tuition that is being paid). So really, it doesn't make sense that the dad has control of the money, unless he tricked Maya into putting the funds into an account that only he controlled. That'd be theft.
Also, a co-signer can't just take their name off a loan. That's why people advise you never to co-sign (or go guarantor) for anyone's loan. Of course parents do it for their kids.
My take on this is that the dad is bluffing. If he went through with it (i.e. withholding the cash), the money will still have to be paid back to the creditor at some point, and if Maya can't do it, the Dad will have to. Meanwhile he's fucked up his daughter's education (which I doubt he wants to do, he just wants to save his daughter from the eternal fire of hell for being gay). He's just using whatever means he currently has to force her straight. When it actually comes down to it, I think he'll cave.
Of course Maya's and all her friends are fucking idiots if they don't work out that what the dad is doing is illegal, but remember this was a bombshell that landed on the MC at the end of the last episode (just like the Jill blackmail), so while we've all dissected the shit out of it all, the MC has had hardly any time to look into any of this.
In the end, Maya just needs to contact Judge Judy, she will anally fuck the dad on TV! Alternatively she just needs to speak with the creditor through which she received the loan and they'll rape the dad. Either way, the dad's getting raped.
It could be that this is all just a case of Maya not knowing how loans work and that a little bit of research will show her that this isn't the case, but that would seem very anticlimactic. Given this is a fictional world, the rules can be different, and so perhaps, in this BaDIK world, it does work in such a way that if her Dad does this, then it will all be on Maya's shoulders.
Trying to rationalise this with real world rules is like trying to rationalise super powers in comics with real world physics; you can't, because in those worlds physics works differently which is how those super powers can exist, and the rules of bank/student loans may very well work differently in the BaDIK world.
People are way too harsh on Maya. She just experimented a few times with the MC. It wasn't even serious. And she has obviously been abused by her ultra religious family so it makes a lot of sense that she would be scared to tell people that she's a lesbian. That's why she was so closed off from the MC in the beginning. It's, I reckon, people's fear of ntr subconsciously rearing it's head that causes them to hate Maya and Josy. The fact that they aren't the only human being having sex.
You are making very good comments here, and it's good to have another person to stand up against the constant Maya abuse.
