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..."overprotective"? No, I dont think so but it's probably an oversight on the dev's part. It happens because...(
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The flag for Lilly flirting with Oliver is set immediately after choosing to hold her hand when she is feeling nervous rather than after the next choice that warns the player about the upcoming content. Which is incredibly strange to me since nothing of the sequence following after it plays out at all if you do not hold her hand. Why is holding her hand the trigger for Oliver and her flirting? Especially after having that choice at the start to disable ntr? Very counterintuitive. Not to mention Oliver. Not much of a best friend is he after saying he would be wingman for the player. Really tired of the fake best friend trope in AVN's. Anyway it seems to me that the flag should be set later in the script after the player confirms that they wish to see sharing/cuckolding. Do that and inconsistency problem solved. Now for the other issue...

I really hope this is another oversight. Even if you choose "disable both" after holding her hand, the narration states that she is disappointed when Oliver backs off. Bruh she and MC just decided on being an item that morning.

Maybe I am just too vanilla but that kind of suggestive writing is quite unpleasant when I have already opted out of such content....twice. I read your comments about being frustrated about not having options in other games or having them ignored...Well here's a reminder. Gotta be careful not to let path specific dialogue and themes bleed into other paths.

After having read that section of the script, my impression thus far is that Lilly was imagined and written to be a LI that *wants* to heavily dominate and even cuck the MC by default, considering how heavily she leans into flirting with Oliver if you leave the toggle on. The warning is there yes but no talks about that kind of thing before hand...like couples are suppose to do?


Oh...well now I see how these oversights may have happened.

Other than that...the art is pretty good and I like making Lilly feel like a small kitten(dom path). Though I do wish the relationship wasnt so focused on dom or sub dynamic. I like the tease of a foot job at the table though, I like feet but I not so much that I would grovel for it. I hope we wont have to play total sub in order to get a little bit of that.
Yeah same here man i have said it many times i am really sick of the fake best friend crap like no i don't want him as a friend i want to beat him with a base ball bat other than that game the seems fine i don't mind it.
 
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..."overprotective"? No, I dont think so but it's probably an oversight on the dev's part. It happens because...(
Wistala
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The flag for Lilly flirting with Oliver is set immediately after choosing to hold her hand when she is feeling nervous rather than after the next choice that warns the player about the upcoming content. Which is incredibly strange to me since nothing of the sequence following after it plays out at all if you do not hold her hand. Why is holding her hand the trigger for Oliver and her flirting? Especially after having that choice at the start to disable ntr? Very counterintuitive. Not to mention Oliver. Not much of a best friend is he after saying he would be wingman for the player. Really tired of the fake best friend trope in AVN's. Anyway it seems to me that the flag should be set later in the script after the player confirms that they wish to see sharing/cuckolding. Do that and inconsistency problem solved. Now for the other issue...

I really hope this is another oversight. Even if you choose "disable both" after holding her hand, the narration states that she is disappointed when Oliver backs off. Bruh she and MC just decided on being an item that morning.

Maybe I am just too vanilla but that kind of suggestive writing is quite unpleasant when I have already opted out of such content....twice. I read your comments about being frustrated about not having options in other games or having them ignored...Well here's a reminder. Gotta be careful not to let path specific dialogue and themes bleed into other paths.

After having read that section of the script, my impression thus far is that Lilly was imagined and written to be a LI that *wants* to heavily dominate and even cuck the MC by default, considering how heavily she leans into flirting with Oliver if you leave the toggle on. The warning is there yes but no talks about that kind of thing before hand...like couples are suppose to do?


Oh...well now I see how these oversights may have happened.

Other than that...the art is pretty good and I like making Lilly feel like a small kitten(dom path). Though I do wish the relationship wasnt so focused on dom or sub dynamic. I like the tease of a foot job at the table though, I like feet but I not so much that I would grovel for it. I hope we wont have to play total sub in order to get a little bit of that.
this is why devs need to learn the difference between disabling the content, and just 'skipping' the content
 
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Yeah same here man i have said it many times i am really sick of the fake best friend crap like no i don't want him as a friend i want to beat him with a base ball bat other than that game the seems fine i don't mind it.
this is why devs need to learn the difference between disabling the content, and just 'skipping' the content
Thought I'd take a moment to chime in on this. The dialogue for this section was reworked for 0.062 such that Oliver does not initiate any kind of flirting with Lilly if the two of you are dating and you have all of your flags disabled. The original set of dialogue was a mistake on my part and poorly reflected the kind of character I'd like Oliver to be. The next release in January for 0.07 I have actually rewritten even larger portions of this scene to make it more fluid regardless of content preferences and even more accurately reflect the kind of friend Oliver will be to you in the future! I once again apologize for my original design errors, and I'm endeavoring to keep the content for certain routes more separated going forward.

All content toggles in the game will disable that type of content, not just skip it. This is an ambitious project, and I am a single dev so i will likely make mistakes, and there will be bugs, but that is why I have a double check system implemented. There are now content toggles defined as persistents in the game, but even if you leave that content turned on there will always be a dialogue choice that you must accept first to view certain content. It is this way that I aim to prevent routes from being crossed or scenes being viewed on accident because I forgot to check for a persistent variable in an update.

Hope this clears some things up and I thank you for checking out Broken Sky!
 
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For what it's worth, I just played 0.062 yesterday for the first time and I really liked it, although I did run into the extremely jarring dialogue mentioned where right after you committed to being in a relationship, Lilly and James Harden decide to get their flirt on in front of the MC anyway, even after telling the game 3 times that I wasn't cool with that :p

I'm sure it's just some renpy script scenario that will be ironed out as development continues, but in the moment it kind of felt like the game was being pushy.

I hope that in future updates it's possible to be more vanilla instead of having every interaction either be hardcore dom or hardcore sub.

Otherwise, the writing (the way it's intended to be according to the dev at least) is great and the actual art is great. I understand why the choice was made to use AI imagery for the backdrops and they're not TOO distracting most of the time.
 

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For what it's worth, I just played 0.062 yesterday for the first time and I really liked it, although I did run into the extremely jarring dialogue mentioned where right after you committed to being in a relationship, Lilly and James Harden decide to get their flirt on in front of the MC anyway, even after telling the game 3 times that I wasn't cool with that :p

I'm sure it's just some renpy script scenario that will be ironed out as development continues, but in the moment it kind of felt like the game was being pushy.

I hope that in future updates it's possible to be more vanilla instead of having every interaction either be hardcore dom or hardcore sub.

Otherwise, the writing (the way it's intended to be according to the dev at least) is great and the actual art is great. I understand why the choice was made to use AI imagery for the backdrops and they're not TOO distracting most of the time.
So Lilly will still flirt with Oliver if you have opted for the FWB relationship and not the dating relationship, but if you were dating and had cuckolding/sharing turned off you should not have encountered that dialogue. Regardless, the in story menu choices are being removed in 0.07 and replaced with toggles in the preferences menu. In addition I've heavily reworked this scene to also reflect some of your dialogue with Oliver earlier in the game since it has been a subject of hot debate.

As far as more vanilla interactions go, that's one of the few things I'm not promising. Not every scene will be extreme to the dominant and submissive side, but this IS a porn game with some pretty heavy tags (check the discord for a list of planned tags) and I have to imagine most of us aren't looking for vanilla. Not to say there won't be sweet and sincere moments, but I don't plan on making a "vanilla route" so to speak.
 
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So Lilly will still flirt with Oliver if you have opted for the FWB relationship and not the dating relationship, but if you were dating and had cuckolding/sharing turned off you should not have encountered that dialogue.
I did select "dating" and still got the dialog yesterday.

I just did a quick run now to test it out: [Emissary/"Into her for more than that"/Be nice to Lilly whenever possible/be submissive during sex/Dating/Move to help her/grab hand]

It still tried to play the cuckolding dialogue, but it did respond to my decisions about what to disable/enable. So I'm not sure what I ran into before, it could have been because of loading and saving repeatedly and I messed up the game state or something.

As far as more vanilla interactions go, that's one of the few things I'm not promising. Not every scene will be extreme to the dominant and submissive side, but this IS a porn game with some pretty heavy tags (check the discord for a list of planned tags) and I have to imagine most of us aren't looking for vanilla. Not to say there won't be sweet and sincere moments, but I don't plan on making a "vanilla route" so to speak.
I would imagine there's some selection bias at play here, because people who are super into it are going to be the ones who join the discord. If you personally just like that kind of stuff, you're the developer and only you can realize the vision you have for the game! But going through the Patreon (I am a backer) there aren't really many comments that express any kind of preference either way from what I can tell. That is much less off-putting than an extremely pushy NTR preference would be.

It seems like the way you're writing the character of Lilly is that she is very dominant (or subservient if you pick the option) during sex but then her actual relationship preferences are pretty vanilla since she makes sure MC is not going to leave right after having sex, and would prefer to be MC's girlfriend. I think that's a really interesting/less common in porn/more lifelike way to write the character and overall the writing has been great so far.
 
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I did select "dating" and still got the dialog yesterday.

I just did a quick run now to test it out: [Emissary/"Into her for more than that"/Be nice to Lilly whenever possible/be submissive during sex/Dating/Move to help her/grab hand]

It still tried to play the cuckolding dialogue, but it did respond to my decisions about what to disable/enable. So I'm not sure what I ran into before, it could have been because of loading and saving repeatedly and I messed up the game state or something.



I would imagine there's some selection bias at play here, because people who are super into it are going to be the ones who join the discord. If you personally just like that kind of stuff, you're the developer and only you can realize the vision you have for the game! But going through the Patreon (I am a backer) there aren't really many comments that express any kind of preference either way from what I can tell. That is much less off-putting than an extremely pushy NTR preference would be.

It seems like the way you're writing the character of Lilly is that she is very dominant (or subservient if you pick the option) during sex but then her actual relationship preferences are pretty vanilla since she makes sure MC is not going to leave right after having sex, and would prefer to be MC's girlfriend. I think that's a really interesting/less common in porn/more lifelike way to write the character and overall the writing has been great so far.
Could have been as issue with saves between versions is my best guess!

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I'm not really a furry, but I have to say that the character design for Lilly is super hot! I've never seen such a blend of dominance/submissiveness in a character before.

BTW, will there be a route where Lilly cheats behind the MC's back? e.g. the MC doesn't find out immediately.
 
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I'm not really a furry, but I have to say that the character design for Lilly is super hot! I've never seen such a blend of dominance/submissiveness in a character before.

BTW, will there be a route where Lilly cheats behind the MC's back? e.g. the MC doesn't find out immediately.
There will be one! That is what I define as "true NTR". It'll be an easy to avoid route, and can be toggled off altogether, but it will be in the game!
 
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