Unreal Engine Carnal Instinct [2024-10-17] [Team Carnal Instinct]

[Chemicals!]

Is it worth changing to the UE5 version yet ?

If you've played the UE4 version and are hoping for more content then you have no choice but to switch to the UE5 version. UE4 is dead, it will be receiving no further updates. The UE5 version is almost an entirely different game altogether. Different story, different map, the works.

A better question to ask would be "is the UE5 version worth playing yet?" The answer to that is, no not really. It has some quests complete but they're mostly short and while the map is pretty well fleshed out there really isn't that much to do. There's enough however that you can get a good idea for the shape of what's meant to come. It has more content than what you would expect out of a demo, but not as much content as the UE4 version. It isn't far behind however and we might see it exceed the UE4 version in the next couple updates. So it's close enough that you might want to give it a shot anyway.

 

[Vakul]

Is it worth changing to the UE5 version yet ?

Nope. UE5 is not worthy to call it a demo version coz it is empty, while UE4 is quite full of mechanics and characters.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

Nope. UE5 is not worthy to call it a demo version coz it is empty, while UE4 is quite full of mechanics and characters.

You have a very strange understanding of the word "empty", it would seem.

 

[Vakul]

You have a very strange understanding of the word "empty", it would seem.

And what exactly is happening in the region these days? Beside 4-6 points of interest with NPCs I mean. Usual 2,5 sand ghouls I suppose? Some random invisible people passing by? Or maybe interesting non-existing events?

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

And what exactly is happening in the region these days? Beside 4-6 points of interest with NPCs I mean. Usual 2,5 sand ghouls I suppose? Some random invisible people passing by? Or maybe interesting non-existing events?

At this point, UE4 and UE5 have a directly comparable volume of content in terms of sex scenes, quests, and NPCs, but not forms, character customization, or items/equipment.

The primary difference between the two is that UE4's map was designed as a test bed where upgrades and forms were strewn across the map and NPCs and quests were deliberately packed into a small demo area. Is the UE5 map more spread out? Yes, that I can agree with. But calling it "empty" is misleading and disingenuous, especially when the UE5 version has an area where they specifically carried forward the UE4 DSS sex scenes so that people who miss them can go wild.

Edit: I was mistaken. UE4 and UE5 are also directly comparable in terms of armor. I was correct about items and weapons, though.

 

[Vakul]

At this point, UE4 and UE5 have a directly comparable volume of content in terms of sex scenes, quests, and NPC

WUT?!
Oh, wait, I understand. Yes, it is definitely comparable. Like "2" and "32" is comparable. 2 is still 16 times less though, but still comparable, yup.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

WUT?!
Oh, wait, I understand. Yes, it is definitely comparable. Like "2" and "32" is comparable. 2 is still 16 times less though, but still comparable, yup.

No, it's comparable like so:

• Sex Scenes: UE4 has 27, UE5 has 23
• Quests: UE4 has 15, UE5 has 20
• NPCs: UE4 has 61 non-generic characters, UE5 has 55

 

[Makaron22]

Aham
Like 18 quests bring me whatever or kill whatever
And 3 quest for killing buggy priestess

From user point of view, miration to UE5 since this moment is pretty useless.
For dev points there are plenty of reasons, of course.

BUT..

Until this game is finished probably UE6 will come out. Or even UE7
And then new migration and milking till end of time, when Anubis will come and say "Thats enough"

 

[Vakul]

No, it's comparable like so:

• Sex Scenes: UE4 has 27, UE5 has 23
• Quests: UE4 has 15, UE5 has 20
• NPCs: UE4 has 61 non-generic characters, UE5 has 55

Where exactly they are hiding then? UE4 has small city full of people, several enemy camps with trapped NPS who can be recruited to player base, where enslaved boss can be held. There is even dragon encounter with several possible outcomes. Some random npc's roaming on the roads and there is even blind and deaf guards, happily ignoring all the bandits.
In UE 5 there is a tavern with 2 people, broken bridge with fucking(literally) cats (how thw fuck they even got there?!), a camp with some 5 or 6 runaways, few places with 1-2 inhabitant and few halfbroken quests involving 1 fucking person. With big piles of waste loneliness in between.
Even weapons have a common model with textures made in 30 minutes.
Sorry I fail to see how is this comparable.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

Aham
Like 52 quests bring me whatever or kill whatever
And 3 quest for killing buggy priestess

If you really want to go that route, UE4's quests are also exceptionally bad. Multiple quests that have you running across the entire game map for an item or two, several quests that involve just talking to an NPC and/or paying out some cash, and the main progression quest was so poorly designed in terms of informing players what to do that we have pages and pages of people in this thread asking how you're supposed to kill the boss or enter the dungeon or find the quest items.

And that's not even getting into the fact that the devs have always been bad at QA, so the dungeons are poorly designed and easy to get stuck in and the quests themselves (in both versions) are easy to break. Plus all the versions of the game (mostly for UE4) where simply saving then coming back later would outright delete quest items.

Until this game is finished probably UE6 will come out. Or even UE7
And then new migration and milking till end of time, when Anubis will come and say "Thats enough"

lol. lmao even. UE4 was in active development and support from 2014 to 2022. Every major version of unreal engine has taken longer to replace then the last. Extrapolating from prior versions puts UE6 in 2030 or so and UE7 some point near 2040.

Where exactly they are hiding then? UE4 has small city full of people, several enemy camps with trapped NPS who can be recruited to player base, where enslaved boss can be held. There is even dragon encounter with several possible outcomes. Some random npc's roaming on the roads and there is even blind and deaf guards, happily ignoring all the bandits.
In UE 5 there is a tavern with 2 people, broken bridge with fucking(literally) cats (how thw fuck they even got there?!), a camp with some 5 or 6 runaways, few places with 1-2 inhabitant and few halfbroken quests involving 1 fucking person. With big piles of waste loneliness in between.
Even weapons have a common model with textures made in 30 minutes.
Sorry I fail to see how is this comparable.

Some of them are in the new version that isn't available on this thread, but aside from that they're all across the world you claim is empty. Also, UE5 has a higher ratio of characters with more than just one throwaway scene, especially when it comes to the two characters you can currently romance.

As opposed to UE4, which has a bunch of one-off scenes of dramatically varying quality and presentation as the devs were throwing everything they could at the wall to see what stuck. So yeah, UE4 definitely does still have more variety - especially if you want the more unique scenes like fucking dragons or getting sucked off by a slime.

Anyway, I think even your latest post makes my point for me: UE5 is not "empty" as you described. It does lack variety and it is more spread out. But it's not empty.

Edit: For direct comparison, I should mention that UE4 has 22 fuckable characters plus the semi-random wandering DSS1 npcs, while UE5 has 17 fuckable characters and no semi-random wandering NPCs.

 

[Vakul]

Some of them are in the new version that isn't available on this thread,

Lol. Shilling was never so good.
This game is amazing! Sadly, you can't see it.
Nice one.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

Lol. Shilling was never so good.
This game is amazing! Sadly, you can't see it.
Nice one.

lol. Now you're just moving the goalposts. I have access to the latest version of the game, and I am using the wiki (which has been updated to have that version's content) for data. That content doesn't stop existing just because you don't have it, and it will exist on Steam (and by extension this thread) within a few weeks.

Edit: Speaking of the wiki, let me see if I can't get the moderators to update the links in the OP. For some reason the report was rejected last time even though the current wiki link is very, very dead.

 

[Vakul]

lol. Now you're just moving the goalposts. I have access to the latest version of the game, and I am using the wiki (which has been updated to have that version's content) for data. That content doesn't stop existing just because you don't have it.

And I am talking about what I can play, isn't it obvious? How can I analyze something I can't play? When update comes, I'll try it and will see for myself.
If you want to continue this talk then, you're welcome. But for now my point stands.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

And I am talking about what I can play, isn't it obvious? How can I analyze something I can't play? When update comes, I'll try it and will see for myself.
If you want to continue this talk then, you're welcome. But for now my point stands.

It's obvious that you were talking about Carnal Instinct, as was I. But neither of us stated what versions we were talking about. Considering the frequency with which I copy subscriber-only info (such as the paywalled news posts) into this thread, I thought it might be obvious that I would be talking about the latest version of the game.

But it seems we both assumed.

 

[Tontongundar]

Extrapolating from prior versions puts UE6 in 2030

He's not wrong though, time window for UE6 release is more like 2026-2030. The game WON'T be out by that time window, nowhere near it at the current speed and knowing the devs like upgrading the engine everytime they get the chance, you can bet they'll use the UE6 coming out as an excuse to scrap the game and start over to milk as much as possible.
The next update (supposedly mid-october) coming is STILL a pre-alpha build. From that March 2023 announcement, we should already be in beta phase, it's not the case.
At that point it's a given the devs are voluntarily slowing down the dev process.
You can simp as much as you want (no offense) but the game won't ever be completed.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

You can simp as much as you want (no offense) but the game won't ever be completed.

Ehhh, I'm not recommending the game specifically. I'm just taking exception to people blatantly misrepresenting it. I'm very open on my opinion of their abilities as devs, especially how little work they put into QA and how little skill they have with programming and mechanical design.

They're very good at "pretty" by some usages of the word, and they're definitely creating something that is more of a "game" than the vast majority of content available on this forum. But they have an abysmal lack of critical skills and it's been hurting this game for a long, long time.

 

[Vakul]

It's obvious that you were talking about Carnal Instinct, as was I. But neither of us stated what versions we were talking about. Considering the frequency with which I copy subscriber-only info (such as the paywalled news posts) into this thread, I thought it might be obvious that I would be talking about the latest version of the game.

But it seems we both assumed.

Point taken, should specify my statements.

 

[Tontongundar]

Ehhh, I'm not recommending the game specifically. I'm just taking exception to people blatantly misrepresenting it. I'm very open on my opinion of their abilities as devs, especially how little work they put into QA and how little skill they have with programming and mechanical design.

They're very good at "pretty" by some usages of the word, and they're definitely creating something that is more of a "game" than the vast majority of content available on this forum. But they have an abysmal lack of critical skills and it's been hurting this game for a long, long time.

Btw, I wasn't trying to be an asshole here. You've been around this thread for a good bit and most of the time it just felt like you were defending them so much, it did come out as a little simpy.
You've made your point clear and I appreciate that. Gives me a better understanding of your view on all of this.
I'm just personally mad at them probably because I'm a customer who bought the UE4 version and didn't want all of this UE5 bs.

 

[Vakul]

He's not wrong though, time window for UE6 release is more like 2026-2030. The game WON'T be out by that time window, nowhere near it at the current speed and knowing the devs like upgrading the engine everytime they get the chance, you can bet they'll use the UE6 coming out as an excuse to scrap the game and start over to milk as much as possible.
The next update (supposedly mid-october) coming is STILL a pre-alpha build. From that March 2023 announcement, we should already be in beta phase, it's not the case.
At that point it's a given the devs are voluntarily slowing down the dev process.
You can simp as much as you want (no offense) but the game won't ever be completed.

Ptoblem is not within engine. Problem is inside devs heads. UE5 does not present any super kits required for this game. Instead by changing engine they got instantly cut off from hundreds of tweaks and solutions made for known UE4 issues through years. All those how to's and make feature_name easy - now inaccessible. And they got that fucking performance issues. So if they try to change engine one more time - it means the are braindead milkers and shouldnt be trusted at all.

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

Btw, I wasn't trying to be an asshole here. You've been around this thread for a good bit and most of the time it just felt like you were defending them so much, it did come out as a little simpy.

Yeah, I can see that. I do tend to get more persnickety than I should about how things are said rather than the evident intent behind them.