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JoeSte91

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The release will still be as soon as possible. We made that late decision mostly because of the negative feedback left here on the forums,
So, you admit that you intentionally delayed it?

for those of you who are ignoring everything else we released for free.
No one is ignoring the other free stuff. But there's a vital question to be asked about why other stuff became the priority when DFD was the first game out. Logic would dictate that it would get its free releases first. Instead, the focus moved on to DH before DFD had been completely released for free.

And again, you tried to argue with me earlier in this forum that the free releases of other games had nothing to do with DFD.

EDIT: It was Stranded with Me not DH, but the free release of another game still affects the release of DFD, despite it being released first, unless you're going to argue DH affects it but not SwM, which evidently isn't true.

https://f95zone.to/threads/daughter-for-dessert-ch-18-palmer.5291/page-389#post-2311311
 
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Thee free version will include the cheat codes to get the happy ending with each girl, without you having to replay a multiple of chapters.
Thanks. I appreciate you taking the time to reply (and make this game!). I was less worried about multiple endings and more "can I play this through to the end and end up generally happy with someone and my daughter not hating me?" if that makes sense. I understand there is going to be conflict along the way and you might have to make some tough decisions, I just want the possibility of coming though it with a feel good ending (not that there is anything wrong if that's not the case, it's just what I'm looking for right now). It sounds like I can, is that right?
 
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Palmer

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So, you admit that you intentionally delayed it?

No one is ignoring the other free stuff. But there's a vital question to be asked about why other stuff became the priority when DFD was the first game out. Logic would dictate that it would get its free releases first. Instead, the focus moved on to DH before DFD had been completely released for free.

And again, you tried to argue with me earlier in this forum that the free releases of DH had nothing to do with DFD.
What on earth are you on/on about? :) I have explained on several occasions why this was the way we went, please read it. I believe I also told you it doesn't matter what I'll say because it won't change your opinion, and I'm not even trying to. But we've obviously crossed a threshold here where it's impossible to have a good conversation anymore. And I'm not going to spend more time on that. You are figuratively hell-bent on this one specific thing, and that's your prerogative of course. We each focus on different things. I would have opted for positive/negative feedback so we could make future games better. To each his own. Thanks again for your comments.
 
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JoeSte91

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I have explained on several occasions why this was the way we went, please read it. I believe I also told you it doesn't matter what I'll say because it won't change your opinion, and I'm not even trying to.
You can absolutely change my opinion by being transparent. But any time there's an opportunity to answer a question you either make vague promises or contradictory statements (see the post I linked).

What on earth are you on/on about? :)
Your phrasing sounds like you're saying that you made the decision to delay the game because of the negative feedback, and later made the decision to add in the epilogues. And I'm asking why make the decision to delay DFD Chapter 19 in the first place?

As far as I can see it, you either switched priorities to DH, in which case, I'm asking why make that decision?

The other option is that you simply did it to squeeze more money out of patreons, which requires no explanation.

Frankly, if you made the decision to delay DFD chapter 19 so you could include the epilogues why not simply say that when you announced the epilogues themselves? Tell people that DFD would be further delayed so it could all be bundled together. You don't think we'd understand and accept that if you told us that several months ago? But you just said it was a late decision, so that clearly wasn't always the plan.

I would have opted for positive/negative feedback so we could make future games better. To each his own. Thanks again for your comments.
I mean I'm not just slinging insults at you, I'm posing valid questions about the game and the delivery structure. If you are digging in your heels and deciding you have nothing to learn from this situation, that's on you.
 
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I mean I'm not just slinging insults at you, I'm posing valid questions about the game and the delivery structure. If you are digging in your heels and deciding you have nothing to learn from this situation, that's on you.
Dude...you may not realize this, but your tone is coming off as very confrontational.

"So, you admit that you intentionally delayed it?"

That sounds like you're saying "AHA! You asshole! You delayed it on purpose just to screw us over because you hate us! You're a big fat liar!", at least to me. Kind of like "so, do you still beat your wife?" - you can't win by answering. No means you used to beat her, and yes means you still beat her, when the reality is you never beat her.

The reality is the release is delayed, but it's delayed to add in more stuff. I'd rather have Episode 19 + epilogues in a little while than Episode 19 without epilogues now.

Now, Palmer could be more transparent and let us know what's going on (and get better at project management, and provide release estimates), but us leeches aren't paying him, so we need to take the handouts he gives us. "Please sir, may I have some more?" :p
 

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Now, @Palmer could be more transparent and let us know what's going on (and get better at project management, and provide release estimates), but us leeches aren't paying him, so we need to take the handouts he gives us. "Please sir, may I have some more?" :p
Definitely. That's why we have been sticking to the "No ETA at this time" for quite a while now. We can always improve, and you guys can help us by posting constructive criticism here, which a lot of you are. So thank you!
 
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Avaron1974

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Why is it when anyone criticizes anything anywhere on this site there's always some white knight spewing out this generic response? Am I not allowed to play something and talk about what I didn't like about it? If I didn't absolutely love it I'm not allowed to point out what I think are its flaws?
I think you see that a lot because you whine ... a lot.

You can absolutely change my opinion by being transparent.
The only people they need to be transparant with are patrons, this is a piracy site, we aren't owed shit.

You'll get your free version when they get round to it, pissing and moaning constantly isn't doing anything to help your cause.

You made your point and now you're going round in circles and getting nowhere to the point where Goob, one of the politest people i've spoke to on here, has called you out.

Give it a rest, they aren't going to speed things up because you pissed all over a piracy forum. I wouldn't be surprised if they did delay it just to fuck you off, I would have.
 
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JoeSte91

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That sounds like you're saying "AHA! You asshole! You delayed it on purpose just to screw us over because you hate us! You're a big fat liar!", at least to me. Kind of like "so, do you still beat your wife?" - you can't win by answering. No means you used to beat her, and yes means you still beat her, when the reality is you never beat her.
It was intended to be less of a logic trap and more just pointing out the contradictory way he responds to people. First he said the other games don't affect it, then he says they do, then he says its a complex game and they only have one coder, now he's saying it was delayed because of negative feedback and they're adding in other stuff as some kind of boon. There's an ongoing discussion where half of us are frustrated and the other half are denying there's ever been any run around, so I am simply trying to underline instances where that happens.

I was in a rush earlier though, so it may have come off a bit more brusque than intended.

The reality is the release is delayed, but it's delayed to add in more stuff. I'd rather have Episode 19 + epilogues in a little while than Episode 19 without epilogues now.
I agree, but I'm confused as to why Ep19 wasn't offered earlier without the epilogues, which is the question I'll probably never get answered.

but us leeches aren't paying him, so we need to take the handouts he gives us. "Please sir, may I have some more?"
The only people they need to be transparant with are patrons, this is a piracy site, we aren't owed shit.
DFD hasn't been pirated since chapter 11. All of the free games are provided by Palmer as part of his company model. The fact that he does this doesn't mean we forfeit our rights as a consumer though. It's not because I'm playing it that I deserve anything, the fact that he's promised it as part of his company mission statement to make 'free' games means that even if no one was playing it, he should still release it. Otherwise he's literally in violation of false advertising.

This never used to be a thing you had to argue with people. If a company delayed or defaulted on their commitments to consumers, free or otherwise, people complained and the companies either had to deal with it or their reputation was ruined. Now a company treats people like dirt and people fall over themselves to defend it. It's ridiculous.

to the point where Goob, one of the politest people i've spoke to on here, has called you out.
Called me out? I don't spend enough time on the forum to know the nice ones, but he's a mod, and perfectly within his rights to let me know if I need to calm down. And it's been duly noted.
 

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Hi can someone tell me if this game has a happy ending(s)? I see a lot of conversation about Amanda starting to hate you in later chapters. Can you fix that relationship? I've played through chapter 5 and I like this so far but honestly I'm going through some stuff right now and I don't think I can handle a sad ending. On the other hand something happy would be really welcome. I don't really care too much about spoilers so just let me know. Thanks
Like you, I was starting to get downhearted myself, as I saw the relationship seem to fall apart. It gets better. Enjoy the rest of the chapters that are already available for free and you will see that.
 

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What on earth are you on/on about? :) I have explained on several occasions why this was the way we went, please read it. I believe I also told you it doesn't matter what I'll say because it won't change your opinion, and I'm not even trying to. But we've obviously crossed a threshold here where it's impossible to have a good conversation anymore. And I'm not going to spend more time on that. You are figuratively hell-bent on this one specific thing, and that's your prerogative of course. We each focus on different things. I would have opted for positive/negative feedback so we could make future games better. To each his own. Thanks again for your comments.
Suggestion: Don't feed the trolls.

 

Ed B

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is not all there, I can't see the final chapter, if vid 66 is the last one is uncomplete
It's all there including epilogues. It's the misterdoktor ones you have to look for and I think they go up to 69
 

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What on earth are you on/on about? :) I have explained on several occasions why this was the way we went, please read it. I believe I also told you it doesn't matter what I'll say because it won't change your opinion, and I'm not even trying to. But we've obviously crossed a threshold here where it's impossible to have a good conversation anymore. And I'm not going to spend more time on that. You are figuratively hell-bent on this one specific thing, and that's your prerogative of course. We each focus on different things. I would have opted for positive/negative feedback so we could make future games better. To each his own. Thanks again for your comments.
It's like trying to talk to a brick...Not worth replying...But bet they are one of the firsts to download it when it's released :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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It was intended to be less of a logic trap and more just pointing out the contradictory way he responds to people. First he said the other games don't affect it, then he says they do, then he says its a complex game and they only have one coder, now he's saying it was delayed because of negative feedback and they're adding in other stuff as some kind of boon. There's an ongoing discussion where half of us are frustrated and the other half are denying there's ever been any run around, so I am simply trying to underline instances where that happens.

I was in a rush earlier though, so it may have come off a bit more brusque than intended.
Fair enough. I know I've done that before.

Called me out? I don't spend enough time on the forum to know the nice ones, but he's a mod, and perfectly within his rights to let me know if I need to calm down. And it's been duly noted.
Point of fact - I'm a modder, not a moderator. That means I write shit, not enforce shit. I gots no powers! :p
 
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Ed B

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I think you see that a lot because you whine ... a lot.



The only people they need to be transparant with are patrons, this is a piracy site, we aren't owed shit.

You'll get your free version when they get round to it, pissing and moaning constantly isn't doing anything to help your cause.

You made your point and now you're going round in circles and getting nowhere to the point where Goob, one of the politest people i've spoke to on here, has called you out.

Give it a rest, they aren't going to speed things up because you pissed all over a piracy forum. I wouldn't be surprised if they did delay it just to fuck you off, I would have.
I mentioned the delay thing weeks ago as well from all the bitching going on in forum but still doesn't stop lol....Heads up...You'll be the next one quoted :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Ed B

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Up until Chapter 18 on SVS alone, DFD has been downloaded over 200,000 times for free. So think about how many countless other places including here have had their members or just visitors download it for free. For someone trying to get more money, they sure have had ALOT of it thrown away
 
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Thank you Palmer and team for letting me be a poor a$$ and mooch for free. Nothing is perfect but quality divide by zero cost approaches infinity (it's math, for real)

Now I will try to scrape cash for DH. Those twins OMG!!!
 
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I mentioned the delay thing weeks ago as well from all the bitching going on in forum but still doesn't stop lol....Heads up...You'll be the next one quoted :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
It's genuinely fascinating to me how you pass off legit criticism of the game and its release schedule as bitching, just because people are vocal about it a lot. Instead people like you jump in, call them trolls, and insult them like you have me already.
 
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