VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[Skummy Ecchi]

I mean, feel free to be a dick to me, like I said I've lost interest in giving a shit and you can find my words empty or you can choose to trust them. The update will be the normal update as if nothing's going on, standard sized for normal schedules etc. Merge ain't done and I dunno whenever the fuck it will be.

As for everything else, this was a good April fools day, and good to know I didn't muck something up. I'mma prolly go back to not being here until I know when the update is meant to be released more clearly. Enjoy yourselves.

 

[OctoSky]

I mean, feel free to be a dick to me, like I said I've lost interest in giving a shit and you can find my words empty or you can choose to trust them. The update will be the normal update as if nothing's going on, standard sized for normal schedules etc. Merge ain't done and I dunno whenever the fuck it will be.

As for everything else, this was a good April fools day, and good to know I didn't muck something up. I'mma prolly go back to not being here until I know when the update is meant to be released more clearly. Enjoy yourselves.

Hey Skummy, can you answer this or is it on your list of classified stuff? What exactly is causing the merge to stall for 2 years? Is it the features (Which if I remember correctly, most or all were removed, maybe, can't remember) or is it Latecomer not knowing how to fix or merge? I mean, its been 2 years but no one has said WHAT is causing the long time, just that its taking a long time.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

I mean, feel free to be a dick to me, like I said I've lost interest in giving a shit and you can find my words empty or you can choose to trust them. The update will be the normal update as if nothing's going on, standard sized for normal schedules etc. Merge ain't done and I dunno whenever the fuck it will be.

As for everything else, this was a good April fools day, and good to know I didn't muck something up. I'mma prolly go back to not being here until I know when the update is meant to be released more clearly. Enjoy yourselves.

Skummy, you have a track record of being a serial liar along with bluecat. It isn't being a dick to you to not believe you

The merge will never be done. And as for the next update - surprise surprise that when it will be tagged, bluecat is suddenly working hard to do a months worth of work that he's had two years to do. You don't need to carry on being his puppet because you stand to lose a lot of money if you're wrong. He's not releasing anything

 

[Badjourasmix]

At this point I've lost all hope of this game ever getting an update. I don't know what went so horribly wrong with the merge but you can't blame people for not believing in anything that the dev says. The last update was a holiday special and it was almost 2 years ago.

 

[OctoSky]

Skummy, you have a track record of being a serial liar along with bluecat. It isn't being a dick to you to not believe you

The merge will never be done. And as for the next update - surprise surprise that when it will be tagged, bluecat is suddenly working hard to do a months worth of work that he's had two years to do. You don't need to carry on being his puppet because you stand to lose a lot of money if you're wrong. He's not releasing anything

Bluecat putting 2 years worth of content into a months worth of work? If he manages to pull it off, IF, then he will have proven that every excuse for the past 2 years has been a huge pile of bullshit.

Once again I'll say it. Even though Bluecat thinks this is a toxic forum full of entitled, piece of shit pirates, he'll still manipulate the rules to keep this being marked abandoned just to keep sucking people into this to keep his income in the thousands.

 

[OctoSky]

At this point I've lost all hope of this game ever getting an update. I don't know what went so horribly wrong with the merge but you can't blame people for not believing in anything that the dev says. The last update was a holiday special and it was almost 2 years ago.

What went wrong? Devs got greedy. Nuff said.

Like I've seen in countless other situations with devs on Patreon. Money reaches invisible line that only dev sees, sees that the money is good, goes from 3-4 updates per year to 1 per year or nothing but Patreon posts for years before being abandoned, but not before collecting years of payments.

 

[Wolfen5]

I mean, feel free to be a dick to me, like I said I've lost interest in giving a shit and you can find my words empty or you can choose to trust them.

I've debated your premises and claims, yes, but I've never given you shit nor been a dick. The counter arguments I've used were perfectly formulated and valid. You simply failed to persuade me with true premises, thus rendering your conclusions false (to date).
If and when the game resumes, I'll be more than happy to cease and desist such devil's advocate back and forths and see what's new to this game. I still enjoyed it immensely way back when, and hopefully it will retain the quality and interest I once had.
However, your constant passive/aggressive remarks on how you don't care how people disbelieve, distrust, or not believe you etc is unbecoming and displays petulance.
If one truly did not care how others thought or behaved towards them, they wouldn't constantly point it out. Just saying.

 

[DarkSithLord47]

Cant believe they actually removed the abandoned tag...that alone is more shitty then the game not being updated for years and all the lies from the white knights defending it like their life depending on it.

 

[huge43]

I'm a patreon.. Its not abandoned

A fool and his money, continually parted

 

[Dukez]

Removed the Abandoned tag for now - we accidentally pulled the trigger early . . . whoops!

To be clear: BlueCat has been offering regular status updates and showing signs of working on their next update all along, so that's not the issue.

We also have a rule where games that go with >1.5 years between releases can also trigger the Abandoned status tag. But we miscounted in this case by one month, sorry for the confusion.

Since an actual mod came in here to post for once, I'll tag you so that maybe you should alter how you define "signs of working". Is text all you require because that's all BlueCat has offered for over a year, I think you guys should be more stringent after a certain period of time (e.g 1 year) then the final lead up to official abandon status (e.g 6 months past 1 year) the devs need to show more than just word, show us pictures, videos, demonstration of changes etc of unreleased content otherwise they should be able to be marked for abandoned earlier than 1.5 years.

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On the actual April update coming out supposedly, if it does come it'll be interesting to see if it's the merge or a separate update and in the latter's case how much content is packed into it. If it's noticeably shorter than previous updates in the past then I dunno about the rest of you but to me that's proof enough that BlueCat absolutely did nothing for some period of time.

 

[giqui]

Since an actual mod came in here to post for once, I'll tag you so that maybe you should alter how you define "signs of working". Is text all you require because that's all BlueCat has offered for over a year, I think you guys should be more stringent after a certain period of time (e.g 1 year) then the final lead up to official abandon status (e.g 6 months past 1 year) the devs need to show more than just word, show us pictures, videos, demonstration of changes etc of unreleased content otherwise they should be able to be marked for abandoned earlier than 1.5 years.

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On the actual April update coming out supposedly, if it does come it'll be interesting to see if it's the merge or a separate update and in the latter's case how much content is packed into it. If it's noticeably shorter than previous updates in the past then I dunno about the rest of you but to me that's proof enough that BlueCat absolutely did nothing for some period of time.

 

[ryyyn73]

I'm always a bit puzzled when people talk about 18 months and want to give a quick reminder.
But first off: This post is not about whether ES should be tagged right now or next month. (I don't care all that much and I do understand that you need some criteria which are objectively measurable here).

I'm posting an old update here which is also still on patreon (publicly):

Spoiler: Ecchi Sensei - Month 1 - Status Report No. 16 (Nov 22, 2020 at 7:37 PM):

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The important part is

"Halloween has already been completed months before it was released, and thus it didn't disrupt our progress on Month 1."

Meaning: the time in which seemingly nothing happened would be a bit longer than 18 months, right?

Also, the part about save compatibility is a little funny now.

 

[Dukez]

[/SPOILER]
The important part is

Meaning: the time in which seemingly nothing happened would be a bit longer than 18 months, right?

Also, the part about save compatibility is a little funny now.

"So, best case scenario, Month 1 will not cause any errors and you can fully enjoy the game without such disruptions."

This is also a hilarious part, on top of him also praising latecomer's coding ability in that same post.

Clearly they were living in some kind of dreamland.

 

[✝Fenrir✝]

Wow how did my post get deleted by spam if I only made one post... Just wow

 

[OctoSky]

Since an actual mod came in here to post for once, I'll tag you so that maybe you should alter how you define "signs of working". Is text all you require because that's all BlueCat has offered for over a year, I think you guys should be more stringent after a certain period of time (e.g 1 year) then the final lead up to official abandon status (e.g 6 months past 1 year) the devs need to show more than just word, show us pictures, videos, demonstration of changes etc of unreleased content otherwise they should be able to be marked for abandoned earlier than 1.5 years.

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On the actual April update coming out supposedly, if it does come it'll be interesting to see if it's the merge or a separate update and in the latter's case how much content is packed into it. If it's noticeably shorter than previous updates in the past then I dunno about the rest of you but to me that's proof enough that BlueCat absolutely did nothing for some period of time.

Amazing. I replied to the mod post, asked for proof of this "showing signs of working". Wasn't nasty, didn't use profanity, didn't call the mod any hurtful names or say he was in on the scam, I genuinely wanted to know what he has seen that proves Bluecat is working. My post was deleted in 2.8 seconds. Reason: Trolling. Ok....Wonder if yours will stay since mine was trolling.

 

[OctoSky]

On the actual April update coming out supposedly, if it does come it'll be interesting to see if it's the merge

According to Skummy yesterday, he said this about the merge: Merge ain't done and I dunno whenever the fuck it will be.

I actually believe Skummy when he says this kind of stuff. Shows that sometimes he is not drinking the kool aid and can see clearly instead of blindly believing.

So yeah, it won't be the merge. More than likely it is Bluecat scrambling to put 2 years of content into a months time to keep this from being tagged.

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

I've debated your premises and claims, yes, but I've never given you shit nor been a dick. The counter arguments I've used were perfectly formulated and valid. You simply failed to persuade me with true premises, thus rendering your conclusions false (to date).
If and when the game resumes, I'll be more than happy to cease and desist such devil's advocate back and forths and see what's new to this game. I still enjoyed it immensely way back when, and hopefully it will retain the quality and interest I once had.
However, your constant passive/aggressive remarks on how you don't care how people disbelieve, distrust, or not believe you etc is unbecoming and displays petulance.
If one truly did not care how others thought or behaved towards them, they wouldn't constantly point it out. Just saying.

Fair point, I'll admit I'm honestly just tired of certain people calling me a liar for just being a naïve fool who trusts in Bluecat bit too much at times. That shit really gets on my nerves because I know they just don't get it and are too stubborn to listen when they are told why they are wrong. I have never lied, I just also have been wrong a whole bunch and refuse to change my opinions on my friend who I trust, that's not being deceitful, that's just standing up for a friend whether or not I am correct, and being loyal to one person rather than turning my back on them to let people go to town on them, rightfully or not.

That all being said, here's some actual information: Merge ain't done because its not done, and there's at least from what information I have, no good reason for it not being done. Its normal but disappointing, its the way the work functions whether or not you like it. 90% of everything is a failure and only 10% happens to be shit that works out for us.

That being said, trying to figure out what I can do to unfuck the situation, I have slowly gone from just a fan to being a close fan, to being a friend, to being PR to now trying my best to help advise Bluecat on being a dev in this junction. I have become jaded and I do apologize but man it is annoying to deal with people.

Update coming out sometime April, Bluecat has precisely one month before abandoned tag really comes into true play, it will be a normal sized update. Not 2 years crammed inside, that is a crude misconception of what has been happening and you need to re-center your expectations to be as if we are going back to normal and this 2 year pause is just simply being un-paused for the time being. I'll let you know when we get closer to a release date what is going on.

 

[nosbos]

Holy moly... two years later.. what a clusterfuck this thread and the game had become... It's really sad to see how a (formaly) good dev fall to the greed because they get money for doing nothing.... Always sad to see this.
In my opionion every game (after one year without an update) should marked as abandoned, simply as that. This will show new members, who want to maybe support someone that those dev are a red flag.

The only language such devs understand is money... As long as people throw their money at them (even if a game hasn't an update like in this case for almost two years) nothing will change...
So I can only advise: Look closely at a dev and their update shedule... Don't become blindly a patreon. Support devs that truly care about their work and deliver updates in a reasonbale time. There are so many good ones with good games on this site. Supporting them has much more worth than on a dev like with this game.

 

[Tim Long Curry]

It's down right amazing how many games suffering from “unfortunate but unavoidable problems and delays” for years all of a sudden manage to get something together the very moment moment being tagged abandoned becomes a real threat.

As someone who used to be a supporter myself I'll say that as far as I'm concerned releasing an update now will only confirm that he could have done so at any point and is only doing so now to avoid the abandoned tag. So no, I won't be supporting bluecat again even if he releases an update right now as I make this post. The only thing of value that can come from all this is even more proof that if it was easier to get marked as abandoned here then we'd see far fewer devs having so many “unfortunate but unavoidable problems and delays”.

 

[pgm_01]

It's down right amazing how many games suffering from “unfortunate but unavoidable problems and delays” for years all of a sudden manage to get something together the very moment moment being tagged abandoned becomes a real threat.

As someone who used to be a supporter myself I'll say that as far as I'm concerned releasing an update now will only confirm that he could have done so at any point and is only doing so now to avoid the abandoned tag. So no, I won't be supporting bluecat again even if he releases an update right now as I make this post. The only thing of value that can come from all this is even more proof that if it was easier to get marked as abandoned here then we'd see far fewer devs having so many “unfortunate but unavoidable problems and delays”.

I follow a few games where the dev has had issues. When what was expected to be a short problem became a longer one, they paused donations. I understand many of the games are being made by people who work a regular job too and so the games need to be put on the back burner when other issues become more pressing. The right thing to do is pause donations. That did not happen here, which is why this thread has hundreds of pages of the same argument, is it a grift or bad management? No matter what, I think many people who were supporters will have the same reaction as you, leading more people to decide it is a scam.

I would suggest anybody looking to support games make sure the creators are open and up front about any development issues when they occur. If you start to see them trying to spin instead of fix, get the hell out.