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It would seem I am stuck. I have done the heist and I got the scene with the herald. I have gotten the onsen scene with Lady Alisandra. I am at day 250+ and nothing is happening. Also whenever I go to thornhil in the evening or visit Lerran at night the same scene keeps repeating over and over. The one with Erranda and Iris respectively. Something isn't being set?
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It would seem I am stuck. I have done the heist and I got the scene with the herald. I have gotten the onsen scene with Lady Alisandra. I am at day 250+ and nothing is happening. Also whenever I go to thornhil in the evening or visit Lerran at night the same scene keeps repeating over and over. The one with Erranda and Iris respectively. Something isn't being set?
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I am looking into this. Will reply again when I have an answer.
 

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It would seem I am stuck. I have done the heist and I got the scene with the herald. I have gotten the onsen scene with Lady Alisandra. I am at day 250+ and nothing is happening. Also whenever I go to thornhil in the evening or visit Lerran at night the same scene keeps repeating over and over. The one with Erranda and Iris respectively. Something isn't being set?
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Okay, I see the issue. It will need another fix file because it didn't account for a certain route being played. My fault. I will be putting that together as Fix 04 and have it posted here shortly.
 

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I am looking into this. Will reply again when I have an answer.
Hey I took a look at the code. I have no idea whether or not this will break anything else but to me it seems that the sephone event was pretty much in an unreachable block block cuz of how the if statements were ordered. I have no idea if this will break anything else since this is the only section i have looked at but moving it at least got it to trigger. :unsure:

I probably did the other events in a different order than intended or something
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Hey I took a look at the code. I have no idea whether or not this will break anything else but to me it seems that the sephone event was pretty much in an unreachable block block cuz of how the if statements were ordered. I have no idea if this will break anything else since this is the only section i have looked at but moving it at least got it to trigger. :unsure:

I probably did the other events in a different order than intended or something
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You can do that, but the other event will continue to repeat unless the settings are correct. Not only that, but there's another one in a later area that does the same thing -- continues to replay the scene over and over when it's meant to run once. If you want, you can inject the code below in the spoiler to replace what is there or get the Fix 04, which will have this fixed in the archive.
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ECA: 0.5 PE FIX 04 Patch (PC/LINUX/MAC)

The latest updated patch for 0.5 PE is FIX 04, which you can find right here. The same installation procedure applies: download, unzip, and put the contents where the /game/ folder is, allowing it to overwrite.
I put that in but how am I supposed to progress now then? I did get sephone's event now though but how do I progress Lord of the hovel and Lerran? Or is that it for the update? the book suggests that there is more.
 

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I put that in but how am I supposed to progress now then? I did get sephone's event now though but how do I progress Lord of the hovel and Lerran? Or is that it for the update? the book suggests that there is more.
If you are meaning the Lord of the Hovel thread/quest, there's just the first NSFW scene - though there is a way to not have one if you follow a specific path of choices. In any case, that is it for 0.5 for Lord of the Hovel. If you mean a different thread, let me know.
 

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This game is going to die pretty quickly during this early development unless you do something drastic to save it. Don't tell us your wanting to change the way things look..you have only just started development and your already telling us your going to have updated updates to improve the visual aspect of your game contents etc. Instead of saying that, just go away , remake it how you want it to look and come back before you bother continuing to update game story etc.
Pick a handful of fetishes to add to your game and that is it. You can't cater to everyone and it's better you realize that now not later when your game is dead and your left wondering why. It's ok to be ambitious, but forget it and concentrate on your story your trying to tell. Many people before you have had this idea of using as many fetishes as possible, and everyone of those games died in early development. Just way to much development work, and despite you wanting to add as many fetishes as possible, your still not going to satisfy as many people as you want, in fact a lot of people who might have wanted to play your game with just a simple handful of fetishes won't even touch your game, because there are also fetishes people don't like that they are opposed to, and you not having any real experience, can't make them optional, because your game will end up 10 x the size it is and most of that will be players deciding on which optional fetishes they don't want to have. It won't work and your adding pointless development work to try and cater for most people, who won't want to touch your game because of this very reason. There are fetishes that are diametrically opposite others fetishes.

Best thing to do right now, redevelop your game from the ground up, so you know what you want it to look like, use some fetishes this game is suited for, and develop the game from there. maybe 5 or 6 fetishes for your first game. most pro devs won't do as many fetishes as possible because they know it's not worth their time and effort, and their games don't need that many fetishes to be popular. Give it some thought at least. Don't try to develop your game, by remaking it through updates, just redo it now the way you want it, then come back and make updates, don't damage your game with poorly thought out decisions.
 

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If you are meaning the Lord of the Hovel thread/quest, there's just the first NSFW scene - though there is a way to not have one if you follow a specific path of choices. In any case, that is it for 0.5 for Lord of the Hovel. If you mean a different thread, let me know.
No I got the scene with Lerran and Erranda, I just asking if that is where it ends for Lerran in this update since the book doesnt say "no more content in this version" like it does for the rest.

Also I have absolutely enjoyed almost everything the game has to offer because despite my initial thoughts of the faces looking a bit strange, the dialogue and scene execution won me over.

The only thing I would say I have an issue with is Lerran's futa appearance(To be blunt...I am talking about her dick..it literally looks like a pencil cut in half) because that just does not look natural at all. Jasmine looks fine so I'm just baffled as to why Lerran is the way she is. I'm hoping she "evolves" in the future updates through the bonding. I felt like some of the dialogue was hinting at it.

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This game is going to die pretty quickly during this early development unless you do something drastic to save it. Don't tell us your wanting to change the way things look..you have only just started development and your already telling us your going to have updated updates to improve the visual aspect of your game contents etc. Instead of saying that, just go away , remake it how you want it to look and come back before you bother continuing to update game story etc...
Thanks for the opinion. Much of what you say is quite valid and makes a lot of sense. When I say "update the way things look", I've already done that with some backgrounds to something "better", in my opinion. The same is planned for animations at the beginning of the game that many cringe at. It's actually going to be part of the focus in the next couple updates.

I'm learning a lot, mostly about the artistic side of design as well as coding in Renpy/Python. It's been a learning experience, absolutely. The feedback I've gotten on how to do things has been invaluable. I can't thank those that have put forth constructive criticism enough.

I'm not a pro developer. I don't know if it ever will end up like that, but there has to be a starting point. This is mine. Developing ECA has taught me a ginormous amount already and I learn more every update.

While some of your points are definitely with merit, I'm unclear on what the issue is with fetishes. The main one which could cause someone pause would be futa/trans/trap content, all of which is optional. If you're referring to the larger list of "optional" genre tags in the OP, most of it is just skippable content. You have tried the game, right?

in fact a lot of people who might have wanted to play your game with just a simple handful of fetishes won't even touch your game, because there are also fetishes people don't like that they are opposed to, and you not having any real experience, can't make them optional...
This here makes me think you didn't, which is fine. I'm not expecting everyone to play it. Are you upset there are specific tags in this that are not optional? I admit some of them like romance, fantasy, "monster" girls, and male protagonists are not up everyone's alley which is, again, perfectly okay. We all have our genres.

The game itself is heavily story-driven -- or at least it is supposed to be. It actually matters to me more if people engage with the story and reading the dialogue and events that happen. If someone isn't wanting to take the time and look at the posted genres and which ones are listed as optional and which are listed as non-optional, then they'll likely not engage with the story. They might just want the naughty bits and that's it. The game is archived for my own benefit, so anyone with UnRen could pretty much un-archive the files and take what they wanted. If they really want stuff made by an admitted amateur, then more power to them. Makes me smile with pride.

Best thing to do right now, redevelop your game from the ground up, so you know what you want it to look like, use some fetishes this game is suited for, and develop the game from there. maybe 5 or 6 fetishes for your first game. most pro devs won't do as many fetishes as possible because they know it's not worth their time and effort, and their games don't need that many fetishes to be popular.
Yep, done and done. What do you call a "fetish" anyway? Is "anal sex" a fetish? Is "handjob"? See, I don't equate "tags" with "fetishes". "Multiple Endings" is a tag... now, I've done some searches for porn. A LOT of searches for porn, but I did just look this up. I don't see a fetish listed anywhere for "multiple endings"... at least what it means on F95. I knew which genres (I would call fetishes) I wanted to add into ECA. They're in there, and they're optional. Everything else I would call normal R-to-X rated story stuff. Vanilla, if you will.

As for making it 2x bigger or more, that's... not true. It does add more dialogue and more code, but the scripts.rpa file right now, as of 0.5, is 11 MB. Maybe 50-100 MB of extra space of images and animations so far. Using shaders and post processing effects to make images look better vastly outweighs any extra content memory space for specific fetishes by far.

Maybe it won't be popular because of specific fetishes. Maybe you're right. I have a feeling I know which ones you are referring to without referring to them, but I will tell you that one of my friends that is helping me with code and testing. He has no problem in trying it out because that particular fetish/fetishes are completely optional. He even dislikes KK-based games but enjoys mine because it has a good story... and he likes Yanwei. At least, that's what he bloody tells me.

Don't try to develop your game, by remaking it through updates, just redo it now the way you want it, then come back and make updates, don't damage your game with poorly thought out decisions.
I believe the place where your advice and words come from is a good one and is intended to be helpful. For that, I am greatly appreciative. I make sure I take the time to engage with both detractors and supporters, mostly to understand where their point of view is coming from. I've only got the one, and it sure as fuck isn't even mostly the best one. I went back and redesigned the scene calling code because it was lagging the game. It took some work, and there were (are) still bugs that popped up, but with the help from a small but very, very supportive group, things have improved.

So yes, there are going to be improvements over the updates when I find time to add/change things for the better. I listen to my patrons and supporters. They want to see this succeed and I'm extremely lucky to have such an engaging and helpful group.

I do also believe, however, you are looking at something that is said in the OP and assumed I meant I would be completely redesigning the game. I won't be doing that. I'll go back and fix up the first animations with Cali and Genny. I'll change some backgrounds to make them look better (to me, at least). I've been fixing up the GUIs of things like gardening, trading, and making potions as I'm getting better at making screens and writing code that's not clunky. That's progress. That's improvement, but it's not a complete redesign of the game.

Thank you for the input. As I said, I whole-heartedly agree it's a bad choice to jump into making something without any forethought. It's why I spent three months in pre-development. This is what I'm developing. I'm sorry it's not up to your high standards. Please feel free to respond with constructive criticism. It can do nothing but help me improve.
 

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No I got the scene with Lerran and Erranda, I just asking if that is where it ends for Lerran in this update since the book doesnt say "no more content in this version" like it does for the rest.

Also I have absolutely enjoyed almost everything the game has to offer because despite my initial thoughts of the faces looking a bit strange, the dialogue and scene execution won me over.

The only thing I would say I have an issue with is Lerran's futa appearance(To be blunt...I am talking about her dick..it literally looks like a pencil cut in half) because that just does not look natural at all. Jasmine looks fine so I'm just baffled as to why Lerran is the way she is. I'm hoping she "evolves" in the future updates through the bonding. I felt like some of the dialogue was hinting at it.
Lerran's story is all about change. Take that as you will. ;)
 

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Lerran's story is all about change. Take that as you will. ;)
Heh alright but you better not make me get my hope up for nuthin :BootyTime: .

Anyway like I have said, I was pleasantly surprised by the story of the game and it kept me going though it, and I am glad I did because the content that came with it, inclusive of all the optional stuff is everything I am looking for. But even without those spicy extras, I'd stick around just for the story I have experienced so far.

So maybe you wont make everyone happy, no one ever does because frankly that is impossible. Even so you have made the effort to make the game as accessible as possible for what you offer. This is always a plus and is a feature I wish was present in more games. It is already a lot better than what many other devs do in that regard. Seriously, some dont even try or worse, straight up lie about what is avoidable/not. You obviously like the "extra" stuff you put in so it doesn't feel it's half assed(though I still want more) , at least in my opinion.

If you make the content you want and make it well, you will find an audience and I am definitely part of it.
 

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So, I'm at like day 92 and I cant get to Cali's thicket. I'm not sure what to do.
It is likely you have started the first scene of Saving Sergeant Valkan (where he comes to search the shop). You need to wait a few days, have a withstand potion, three healing tinctures, a sleep potion, and willow bark and go to the shop at night.
 

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It is likely you have started the first scene of Saving Sergeant Valkan (where he comes to search the shop). You need to wait a few days, have a withstand potion, three healing tinctures, a sleep potion, and willow bark and go to the shop at night.
I actually finished all of that a bit ago. I'm back in Rilea already.
 
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