DA22

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Or maybe you could just accept what the dev wants to do and shut your mouth :)
True if dev had been open from the start about the intentions with the game and where it focuses, but in games where the dev garners support for his game based upon expectations he makes players and supporters have during production, that changes the equation and what people rightfully expect.

If want to do that be open from start about fact that good part of game will be about those themes or deliver a really finished game where people know what they get when they buy into it, not suddenly add it in update 8-102 and change whole nature of the game that for a big part was made with the support of people expecting something different based upon what was delivered before without any warning from dev he had other intentions.

Edit: To be clear the above would be just as valid if a dev decided to promote a game as a NTR focused game or made such a game in practice without promotion and suddenly without warning after two years would remove any further NTR from game and it would become all or mainly about MC fucking the ladies from that point on. Then those that supported a NTR focused game would also have every right to be annoyed and disappointed or even lose further trust in that dev for rest of his career. It is about breaking trust by a dev of an explicit or implicit promise he gave his supporters.

Fact the dislike of the genre by those who do not like it is way bigger on the whole as the dislike of those who like the genre of an MC having sex makes it not that strange though those voices are even louder when suddenly include abusive other dick in a game that was not about that, but same happens with other more divisive themes like extreme dom (male or fem) and even when a dev just changes whole tone of game without changing fetishes per se. :p It is not like you add one anal scene or footjob scene later in development, but something quite a few people really hate instead of are indifferent about at worst.
 
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RogMR

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Or maybe you could just accept what the dev wants to do and shut your mouth :)
If you don't want to read opinions against yours on f95, you can always ignore the user who disagrees with you. But most users want to see good and bad reviews of each game, to understand if it's worth playing or if the game is for a different audience.

If users don't complain about grinding, a lot of people will waste their time in a game that isn't for them.
The same goes for any porn content. If you are going to have rape, ntr, voyeurism, incest, gay, futa, scat, male, female or multiple protagonist, DEV chooses his game audience.

When DEV avoids spoilers about game content, players certainly won't be silent. Either you accept it or "shut your mouth" or try to tell others to shut up.

Even when a DEV does everything right and writes on the overview that dad is dead, there's always someone to complain about "another dead father".
 

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So this game is a real pain in the ass... I'm at a point where I want to kill myself.
Actually melinda say she want to go see linda for the pills after sunbathing. Ok

I understood this game was stupid so i did all bathroom scene 5 time each maybe, after that i try all (10h) sunbathing route.. and..... ....... nothing.... Obviousy i already visit linda 9 years ago that and she gave me a pills. WTF i cant use it !?

The walkthrough don't help if u have play normally because it give 0 hint -_-

If u can unlock my situation i give u a hamburger :3
u can use the pill only into the bathroom when u stole previously the towels..and sometime when returning form apple search
 

yoyomistro

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If you don't want to read opinions against yours on f95, you can always ignore the user who disagrees with you. But most users want to see good and bad reviews of each game, to understand if it's worth playing or if the game is for a different audience.

If users don't complain about grinding, a lot of people will waste their time in a game that isn't for them.
The same goes for any porn content. If you are going to have rape, ntr, voyeurism, incest, gay, futa, scat, male, female or multiple protagonist, DEV chooses his game audience.

When DEV avoids spoilers about game content, players certainly won't be silent. Either you accept it or "shut your mouth" or try to tell others to shut up.

Even when a DEV does everything right and writes on the overview that dad is dead, there's always someone to complain about "another dead father".
There's a difference between talking about mechanics and game quality and bitching about the N fetish like people like to do. First of all, SNC doesn't even come on here, so the only people who will see the bitching are people who either don't care or just want to circle jerk about it. It's in the tags, if it makes your blood boil to even see NTR mentioned, just dip. Also a lot of devs don't even know that there's a subsegment of people who hate NTR, just like there's a subsegment of people who hate big boobs. It's just another thing to most people and they don't see it as something to fucking paste trigger warnings everywhere for years in advance so people can avoid having their feelings hurt about their pixel waifus.

The dev doesn't owe randos on a pirate forum trigger warnings, and people who are giving him money specifically wanted some of that content. Also he went back and made it completely avoidable so you never have to see it so IDK why there are people still bitching about this like 10 months later.
 

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There's a difference between talking about mechanics and game quality and bitching about the N fetish like people like to do. First of all, SNC doesn't even come on here, so the only people who will see the bitching are people who either don't care or just want to circle jerk about it. It's in the tags, if it makes your blood boil to even see NTR mentioned, just dip. Also a lot of devs don't even know that there's a subsegment of people who hate NTR, just like there's a subsegment of people who hate big boobs. It's just another thing to most people and they don't see it as something to fucking paste trigger warnings everywhere for years in advance so people can avoid having their feelings hurt about their pixel waifus.

The dev doesn't owe randos on a pirate forum trigger warnings, and people who are giving him money specifically wanted some of that content. Also he went back and made it completely avoidable so you never have to see it so IDK why there are people still bitching about this like 10 months later.
Dev doesn't owe me anything. I don't owe you anything.
You give your opinion. I give my opinion.

For you, complaints about sandbox or game mechanics can be different, but I've seen dozens of players who love sandbox as upset as you when other players complain about sandbox, grind.
If you can't live with different opinions, you will always complain about everyone who has a different opinion here on the forum.

But you've been a member for years and you've probably understood that the threads where the DEV clarifies the type of content it's going to create are the threads with the fewest complaints. There are still some complaints on all topics, but when the DEV is clear about the content, the complaint is much smaller. Better for the DEVs. Better for the players. Better for all.

For example, I like incest. But I understand that it's a fetish that should be clear from the start, because many will complain about incest if it's only added after 2 years... If in BaD Dr Pinkcake add incest, he will be burned alive by those who don't like incest. And even though I like incest, I'd say it would be a terrible addition to his fan base.
There are a lot of fetishes that it's better for everyone if the DEV clears it up from the start. Try to Understand that not everyone has the same fetish as you.

And any forum user who doesn't have the ability to understand other opinions will spend all his time complaining about every opinion different from yours.
 
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yoyomistro

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Dev doesn't owe me anything. I don't owe you anything.
You give your opinion. I give my opinion.

For you, complaints about sandbox or game mechanics can be different, but I've seen dozens of players who love sandbox as upset as you when other players complain about sandbox, grind.
If you can't live with different opinions, you will always complain about everyone who has a different opinion here on the forum.

But you've been a member for years and you've probably understood that the threads where the DEV clarifies the type of content it's going to create are the threads with the fewest complaints. There are still some complaints on all topics, but when the DEV is clear about the content, the complaint is much smaller. Better for the DEVs. Better for the players. Better for all...

And any forum user who doesn't have the ability to understand other opinions will spend all his time complaining about every opinion different from yours.
That's why I specifically said SNC doesn't come on here, at least in a publicly discernible way, so complaining about a fetish does nothing to influence the direction of the game or add to the forum discussion; it just increases potential for derailment and rule violations. If he came on here it would be different if people were giving him constructive feedback about it. But that is not the case, it's just been an off and on circle jerk with mass post deletions from people bandwagonning onto the hatefest. That's died down to just a smattering of people bringing it up again once in a while even though it's been a non-issue for months due to changes the dev made himself. There's no nuanced discussion. It's just people complaining about a fetish, and some people occasionally agreeing with them.

Also there's no rule about bashing sandbox games, like there is for fetishes, and mechanics and systems discussions don't typically lead to derailments. If people have feedback and they feel strongly that they want him to see it, find him on a forum he does frequent and publicly raise your concerns without harassing or threatening him, which some people do.

Also devs being clear on something doesn't always stop complaints, there are people who just feel the need to speak their piece--usually in a non-constructive, denigrating way--no matter what even if it violates forum rules or there is a giant yellow/orange warning not to in the OP.

Probably because I've been a member for so long the NTR discussion pisses me off because it wasn't an issue early on in the forum's history and around late 2018 and early 2019 people started brigading and destroying threads before moderation got more strict and reduced it. It's just another fetish to most of us and if you feel otherwise that sucks but not every discussion has to revolve around it and it's frankly annoying when the conversation in any decent thread heads in that direction. Most people don't want to see that convo in every thread.
 

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That's why I specifically said SNC doesn't come on here, at least in a publicly discernible way, so complaining about a fetish does nothing to influence the direction of the game or add to the forum discussion; it just increases potential for derailment and rule violations. If he came on here it would be different if people were giving him constructive feedback about it. But that is not the case, it's just been an off and on circle jerk with mass post deletions from people bandwagonning onto the hatefest. That's died down to just a smattering of people bringing it up again once in a while even though it's been a non-issue for months due to changes the dev made himself. There's no nuanced discussion. It's just people complaining about a fetish, and some people occasionally agreeing with them.

Also there's no rule about bashing sandbox games, like there is for fetishes, and mechanics and systems discussions don't typically lead to derailments. If people have feedback and they feel strongly that they want him to see it, find him on a forum he does frequent and publicly raise your concerns without harassing or threatening him, which some people do.

Also devs being clear on something doesn't always stop complaints, there are people who just feel the need to speak their piece--usually in a non-constructive, denigrating way--no matter what even if it violates forum rules or there is a giant yellow/orange warning not to in the OP.

Probably because I've been a member for so long the NTR discussion pisses me off because it wasn't an issue early on in the forum's history and around late 2018 and early 2019 people started brigading and destroying threads before moderation got more strict and reduced it. It's just another fetish to most of us and if you feel otherwise that sucks but not every discussion has to revolve around it and it's frankly annoying when the conversation in any decent thread heads in that direction. Most people don't want to see that convo in every thread.
You can see that my post was placed with several fetishes, including fetish that I like.
But if 1000 players complain about incest, even if 1000 players like incest, it's smarter to keep the topic clean, if it stays clear from the start. Same goes for NTR, rape, gay, futa. Specific protagonist. Can add male/female domination. That I have also seen many "wars".
Every game with a correct target audience there are far fewer "wars".

I used an example of dead father complain even with an overview saying that. These complaints are meaningless. And I ignore it.
As well as games where MC has wife and DEV clarifies from the beginning that there will be sharing. There's no point complaining either.
 
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yoyomistro

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You can see that my post was placed with several fetishes, including fetish that I like.
But if 1000 players complain about incest, even if 1000 players like incest, it's smarter to keep the topic clean, if it stays clear from the start. Same goes for NTR, rape, gay, futa. Specific protagonist. Can add male/female domination. That I have also seen many "wars".
Every game with a correct target audience there are far fewer "wars".

I used an example of dad father complain even with an overview saying that. These complaints are meaningless. And I ignore it.
As well as games where MC has wife and DEV clarifies from the beginning that there will be sharing. There's no point complaining either.
Devs have no obligation to delineate a target audience for their work, as it is their work. Sure that may affect their ability to gain financial support, but there is no regulatory apparatus stating that they have to do so whether people would like it or not. I've seen people attack devs for not having a target audience but that does not mean that they have a right to attack devs based on the rules of the forum and not being a crappy human being. The prerogative is not on a dev to anticipate how people will react to their work of fiction, they only have to execute their vision and if that incorporates feedback, fine; if not also fine.

People do have an obligation to follow the forum rules if they want to participate, and I'm not saying the person who the guy who said "shut you mouth" quoted was breaking any rules, and also looking at the post they quoted I'm not sure why they felt the need to resurrect that post from almost a year ago when the thread was moving onto translation discussions, but fetish bashing discussions tend to invite rule-breaking and derailing posts.

Some people hated how Mass Effect 3 ended, but as it was released as a finished product it existed according to the vision of the developers. This indie adult space has given people a sense that they're ordering from a McDonald's and not consuming someone's artistic output. Also criticism about Mass Effect was around how decision making by the player was obviated by the ending not the fact that you could make your character any gender you wanted or have them be gay or something. It was not based on arbitrary preferences that no two people might share.

Sure most people are here to get off but if people couldn't invoke emotions that made some people upset in works of fiction everything would be Barney (that's a children's show about a magic purple talking dinosaur that comes to life from a toy and spreads joy and happiness, for people who are unfamiliar. It's also extremely boring).

EDIT: I'm not super particular about fetishes... I have stuff that I like but I'll also play through stuff I don't like for the story so maybe my appreciation of different story types affects my understanding but I don't like when people want to impose their desires onto other people... Like some people in the STS thread complain about the gay/trans content even though DC said he was going to add it from the beginning and it's all SKIPPABLE. So my thinking is some people will never be happy and I'd rather not waste time going through pages of fetish complaints.
 
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Devs have no obligation to delineate a target audience for their work, as it is their work. Sure that may affect their ability to gain financial support, but there is no regulatory apparatus stating that they have to do so whether people would like it or not. I've seen people attack devs for not having a target audience but that does not mean that they have a right to attack devs based on the rules of the forum and not being a crappy human being. The prerogative is not on a dev to anticipate how people will react to their work of fiction, they only have to execute their vision and if that incorporates feedback, fine; if not also fine.

People do have an obligation to follow the forum rules if they want to participate, and I'm not saying the person who the guy who said "shut you mouth" quoted was breaking any rules, and also looking at the post they quoted I'm not sure why they felt the need to resurrect that post from almost a year ago when the thread was moving onto translation discussions, but fetish bashing discussions tend to invite rule-breaking and derailing posts.

Some people hated how Mass Effect 3 ended, but as it was released as a finished product it existed according to the vision of the developers. This indie adult space has given people a sense that they're ordering from a McDonald's and not consuming someone's artistic output. Also criticism about Mass Effect was around how decision making by the player was obviated by the ending not the fact that you could make your character any gender you wanted or have them be gay or something. It was not based on arbitrary preferences that no two people might share.

Sure most people are here to get off but if people couldn't invoke emotions that made some people upset in works of fiction everything would be Barney (that's a children's show about a magic purple talking dinosaur that comes to life from a toy and spreads joy and happiness, for people who are unfamiliar. It's also extremely boring).

EDIT: I'm not super particular about fetishes... I have stuff that I like but I'll also play through stuff I don't like for the story so maybe my appreciation of different story types affects my understanding but I don't like when people want to impose their desires onto other people... Like some people in the STS thread complain about the gay/trans content even though DC said he was going to add it from the beginning and it's all SKIPPABLE. So my thinking is some people will never be happy and I'd rather not waste time going through pages of fetish complaints.
Family affair half futa LI (avoidable), half female LI. And the Dev is fast. And there are complaints too.
I get it. Every harem game has a lot of complaining too. I ignore.
Thousands of users, impossible to avoid. I only join these discussions about fetishs when I see a gratuitous offense.
Quote from november 2020, telling another user to "shut your mouth."

I understand that the DEV is under no obligation here. So be prepared for other wars in SNC other game because it's in these "story unfolds games" that the longest wars happen. ;)
 

finalcut315

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I'm playing through 1 and it crashes to main menu when melinda catches you smooching rhonda and asks about her ring, anyone else encounter that bug?

edit: okay I think I fixed that part
 
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yoyomistro

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I'm playing through 1 and it crashes to main menu when melinda catches you smooching rhonda and asks about her ring, anyone else encounter that bug?
Can you give me some text from that section? Like word for word. I'll find it and take a look at some point, maybe not tonight as I'm about to go offline. I probably modded that part if it has issues as I play the game with scripts open. The good thing is I'm pretty sure that part is a dead end and doesn't unlock more options storywise so I wouldn't be surprised if SNC just screwed something up when he made it.
 

finalcut315

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Can you give me some text from that section? Like word for word. I'll find it and take a look at some point, maybe not tonight as I'm about to go offline. I probably modded that part if it has issues as I play the game with scripts open. The good thing is I'm pretty sure that part is a dead end and doesn't unlock more options storywise so I wouldn't be surprised if SNC just screwed something up when he made it.
I'm sorry I got past that part already, I appreciate the help though
 

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His patron is down to 356. How long until he realises no one gives a shit about his new game?
He rushed Foot of the Mountains Part 2, he needs to go back and finish it properly. Give his fans what they deserve. It has almost no animations, and so much wasted potential. So much teases, and no deliverance. What happened to threesome between Melinda and Debbie? or foursome with Mick? the list goes on.
 

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I just wanted to hop in and say THANK YOU my fellow brothers in arms for saving me from all those cuckold ntr games and wasted time, I appreciate it.
 
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