yoyomistro

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Dev doesn't owe me anything. I don't owe you anything.
You give your opinion. I give my opinion.

For you, complaints about sandbox or game mechanics can be different, but I've seen dozens of players who love sandbox as upset as you when other players complain about sandbox, grind.
If you can't live with different opinions, you will always complain about everyone who has a different opinion here on the forum.

But you've been a member for years and you've probably understood that the threads where the DEV clarifies the type of content it's going to create are the threads with the fewest complaints. There are still some complaints on all topics, but when the DEV is clear about the content, the complaint is much smaller. Better for the DEVs. Better for the players. Better for all...

And any forum user who doesn't have the ability to understand other opinions will spend all his time complaining about every opinion different from yours.
That's why I specifically said SNC doesn't come on here, at least in a publicly discernible way, so complaining about a fetish does nothing to influence the direction of the game or add to the forum discussion; it just increases potential for derailment and rule violations. If he came on here it would be different if people were giving him constructive feedback about it. But that is not the case, it's just been an off and on circle jerk with mass post deletions from people bandwagonning onto the hatefest. That's died down to just a smattering of people bringing it up again once in a while even though it's been a non-issue for months due to changes the dev made himself. There's no nuanced discussion. It's just people complaining about a fetish, and some people occasionally agreeing with them.

Also there's no rule about bashing sandbox games, like there is for fetishes, and mechanics and systems discussions don't typically lead to derailments. If people have feedback and they feel strongly that they want him to see it, find him on a forum he does frequent and publicly raise your concerns without harassing or threatening him, which some people do.

Also devs being clear on something doesn't always stop complaints, there are people who just feel the need to speak their piece--usually in a non-constructive, denigrating way--no matter what even if it violates forum rules or there is a giant yellow/orange warning not to in the OP.

Probably because I've been a member for so long the NTR discussion pisses me off because it wasn't an issue early on in the forum's history and around late 2018 and early 2019 people started brigading and destroying threads before moderation got more strict and reduced it. It's just another fetish to most of us and if you feel otherwise that sucks but not every discussion has to revolve around it and it's frankly annoying when the conversation in any decent thread heads in that direction. Most people don't want to see that convo in every thread.
 

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That's why I specifically said SNC doesn't come on here, at least in a publicly discernible way, so complaining about a fetish does nothing to influence the direction of the game or add to the forum discussion; it just increases potential for derailment and rule violations. If he came on here it would be different if people were giving him constructive feedback about it. But that is not the case, it's just been an off and on circle jerk with mass post deletions from people bandwagonning onto the hatefest. That's died down to just a smattering of people bringing it up again once in a while even though it's been a non-issue for months due to changes the dev made himself. There's no nuanced discussion. It's just people complaining about a fetish, and some people occasionally agreeing with them.

Also there's no rule about bashing sandbox games, like there is for fetishes, and mechanics and systems discussions don't typically lead to derailments. If people have feedback and they feel strongly that they want him to see it, find him on a forum he does frequent and publicly raise your concerns without harassing or threatening him, which some people do.

Also devs being clear on something doesn't always stop complaints, there are people who just feel the need to speak their piece--usually in a non-constructive, denigrating way--no matter what even if it violates forum rules or there is a giant yellow/orange warning not to in the OP.

Probably because I've been a member for so long the NTR discussion pisses me off because it wasn't an issue early on in the forum's history and around late 2018 and early 2019 people started brigading and destroying threads before moderation got more strict and reduced it. It's just another fetish to most of us and if you feel otherwise that sucks but not every discussion has to revolve around it and it's frankly annoying when the conversation in any decent thread heads in that direction. Most people don't want to see that convo in every thread.
You can see that my post was placed with several fetishes, including fetish that I like.
But if 1000 players complain about incest, even if 1000 players like incest, it's smarter to keep the topic clean, if it stays clear from the start. Same goes for NTR, rape, gay, futa. Specific protagonist. Can add male/female domination. That I have also seen many "wars".
Every game with a correct target audience there are far fewer "wars".

I used an example of dead father complain even with an overview saying that. These complaints are meaningless. And I ignore it.
As well as games where MC has wife and DEV clarifies from the beginning that there will be sharing. There's no point complaining either.
 
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yoyomistro

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You can see that my post was placed with several fetishes, including fetish that I like.
But if 1000 players complain about incest, even if 1000 players like incest, it's smarter to keep the topic clean, if it stays clear from the start. Same goes for NTR, rape, gay, futa. Specific protagonist. Can add male/female domination. That I have also seen many "wars".
Every game with a correct target audience there are far fewer "wars".

I used an example of dad father complain even with an overview saying that. These complaints are meaningless. And I ignore it.
As well as games where MC has wife and DEV clarifies from the beginning that there will be sharing. There's no point complaining either.
Devs have no obligation to delineate a target audience for their work, as it is their work. Sure that may affect their ability to gain financial support, but there is no regulatory apparatus stating that they have to do so whether people would like it or not. I've seen people attack devs for not having a target audience but that does not mean that they have a right to attack devs based on the rules of the forum and not being a crappy human being. The prerogative is not on a dev to anticipate how people will react to their work of fiction, they only have to execute their vision and if that incorporates feedback, fine; if not also fine.

People do have an obligation to follow the forum rules if they want to participate, and I'm not saying the person who the guy who said "shut you mouth" quoted was breaking any rules, and also looking at the post they quoted I'm not sure why they felt the need to resurrect that post from almost a year ago when the thread was moving onto translation discussions, but fetish bashing discussions tend to invite rule-breaking and derailing posts.

Some people hated how Mass Effect 3 ended, but as it was released as a finished product it existed according to the vision of the developers. This indie adult space has given people a sense that they're ordering from a McDonald's and not consuming someone's artistic output. Also criticism about Mass Effect was around how decision making by the player was obviated by the ending not the fact that you could make your character any gender you wanted or have them be gay or something. It was not based on arbitrary preferences that no two people might share.

Sure most people are here to get off but if people couldn't invoke emotions that made some people upset in works of fiction everything would be Barney (that's a children's show about a magic purple talking dinosaur that comes to life from a toy and spreads joy and happiness, for people who are unfamiliar. It's also extremely boring).

EDIT: I'm not super particular about fetishes... I have stuff that I like but I'll also play through stuff I don't like for the story so maybe my appreciation of different story types affects my understanding but I don't like when people want to impose their desires onto other people... Like some people in the STS thread complain about the gay/trans content even though DC said he was going to add it from the beginning and it's all SKIPPABLE. So my thinking is some people will never be happy and I'd rather not waste time going through pages of fetish complaints.
 
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Devs have no obligation to delineate a target audience for their work, as it is their work. Sure that may affect their ability to gain financial support, but there is no regulatory apparatus stating that they have to do so whether people would like it or not. I've seen people attack devs for not having a target audience but that does not mean that they have a right to attack devs based on the rules of the forum and not being a crappy human being. The prerogative is not on a dev to anticipate how people will react to their work of fiction, they only have to execute their vision and if that incorporates feedback, fine; if not also fine.

People do have an obligation to follow the forum rules if they want to participate, and I'm not saying the person who the guy who said "shut you mouth" quoted was breaking any rules, and also looking at the post they quoted I'm not sure why they felt the need to resurrect that post from almost a year ago when the thread was moving onto translation discussions, but fetish bashing discussions tend to invite rule-breaking and derailing posts.

Some people hated how Mass Effect 3 ended, but as it was released as a finished product it existed according to the vision of the developers. This indie adult space has given people a sense that they're ordering from a McDonald's and not consuming someone's artistic output. Also criticism about Mass Effect was around how decision making by the player was obviated by the ending not the fact that you could make your character any gender you wanted or have them be gay or something. It was not based on arbitrary preferences that no two people might share.

Sure most people are here to get off but if people couldn't invoke emotions that made some people upset in works of fiction everything would be Barney (that's a children's show about a magic purple talking dinosaur that comes to life from a toy and spreads joy and happiness, for people who are unfamiliar. It's also extremely boring).

EDIT: I'm not super particular about fetishes... I have stuff that I like but I'll also play through stuff I don't like for the story so maybe my appreciation of different story types affects my understanding but I don't like when people want to impose their desires onto other people... Like some people in the STS thread complain about the gay/trans content even though DC said he was going to add it from the beginning and it's all SKIPPABLE. So my thinking is some people will never be happy and I'd rather not waste time going through pages of fetish complaints.
Family affair half futa LI (avoidable), half female LI. And the Dev is fast. And there are complaints too.
I get it. Every harem game has a lot of complaining too. I ignore.
Thousands of users, impossible to avoid. I only join these discussions about fetishs when I see a gratuitous offense.
Quote from november 2020, telling another user to "shut your mouth."

I understand that the DEV is under no obligation here. So be prepared for other wars in SNC other game because it's in these "story unfolds games" that the longest wars happen. ;)
 

finalcut315

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I'm playing through 1 and it crashes to main menu when melinda catches you smooching rhonda and asks about her ring, anyone else encounter that bug?

edit: okay I think I fixed that part
 
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yoyomistro

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I'm playing through 1 and it crashes to main menu when melinda catches you smooching rhonda and asks about her ring, anyone else encounter that bug?
Can you give me some text from that section? Like word for word. I'll find it and take a look at some point, maybe not tonight as I'm about to go offline. I probably modded that part if it has issues as I play the game with scripts open. The good thing is I'm pretty sure that part is a dead end and doesn't unlock more options storywise so I wouldn't be surprised if SNC just screwed something up when he made it.
 

finalcut315

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Can you give me some text from that section? Like word for word. I'll find it and take a look at some point, maybe not tonight as I'm about to go offline. I probably modded that part if it has issues as I play the game with scripts open. The good thing is I'm pretty sure that part is a dead end and doesn't unlock more options storywise so I wouldn't be surprised if SNC just screwed something up when he made it.
I'm sorry I got past that part already, I appreciate the help though
 

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His patron is down to 356. How long until he realises no one gives a shit about his new game?
He rushed Foot of the Mountains Part 2, he needs to go back and finish it properly. Give his fans what they deserve. It has almost no animations, and so much wasted potential. So much teases, and no deliverance. What happened to threesome between Melinda and Debbie? or foursome with Mick? the list goes on.
 

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I just wanted to hop in and say THANK YOU my fellow brothers in arms for saving me from all those cuckold ntr games and wasted time, I appreciate it.
 
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a question;
Is this 'foot of the mountains 2' game is a remake/remade of 'foot of the mountains 1'?
OR
2nd game is seriously being a 2nd game, starting where 1st one's story ends in the first game and finishing it ?

In either way do i have to play first one, tried it but it is so fucking long and grindy, seeing same events and texts several times is really annoying.
 
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Qmil679

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I tried to play this game, I play it for the first time.
I just wanted to play for Melinda, she's so hot.
Ann is pretty too, but she's too much of a slut.

I play with (mod) sex> grind.

But I already don't like the game. Mainly because of NTR which cannot be avoided.

I only like Melinda, but I'm starting to look at her differently now too.
Since she told stories from her trip to the seaside where she and Shirley had sex (cheating on her husband) with a black guy.

Then I started to dislike Melinda's behavior when Lee moved into Melinda's house.
From then on, Melinda flirted with Lee and I wouldn't even be surprised if she did anything more with him..

So did Ann. Ever since Lee moved in, she has pounced on him and has sex with him right away without looking at the MC.

I scrolled and guessed right... Melinda gets wet at the sight of Lee, in every scene, there has to be Lee with Melinda and then Melinda forgets all about the MC. After that, Melinda kicks jealous MC out of the house to her sister Debbie, to be left alone with Lee... Fuck this shit. What a waste of time.

I really wanted to give this game a chance... because Melinda looks sooo fking good. But when I see these NTR scenes, I don't feel like playing. Eh.
 
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I tried to play this game, I play it for the first time.
I just wanted to play for Melinda, she's so hot.
Ann is pretty too, but she's too much of a slut.

I play with (mod) sex> grind.

But I already don't like the game. Mainly because of NTR which cannot be avoided.

I only like Melinda, but I'm starting to look at her differently now too.
Since she told stories from her trip to the seaside where she and Shirley had sex (cheating on her husband) with a black guy.

Then I started to dislike Melinda's behavior when Lee moved into Melinda's house.
From then on, Melinda flirted with Lee and I wouldn't even be surprised if she did anything more with him..

So did Ann. Ever since Lee moved in, she has pounced on him and has sex with him right away without looking at the MC.

I scrolled and guessed right... Melinda gets wet at the sight of Lee, in every scene, there has to be Lee with Melinda and then Melinda forgets all about the MC. After that, Melinda kicks jealous MC out of the house to her sister Debbie, to be left alone with Lee... Fuck this shit. What a waste of time.

I really wanted to give this game a chance... because Melinda looks sooo fking good. But when I see these NTR scenes, I don't feel like playing. Eh.
Do you know that the mod "sex> grind" is a rewrite version of the original game, with new scenes and very NTR-oriented?

The original is quite different but reaaaally grindy.
 

Qmil679

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Do you know that the mod "sex> grind" is a rewrite version of the original game, with new scenes and very NTR-oriented?

The original is quite different but reaaaally grindy.
So in the original game how is it with relationship between MC and Melinda? And Melinda and Lee?
How situation with ntr?
 
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