Others Abandoned Glamour [v0.57] [Dark Silver]

[JasonJemodah]

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[Miðgarðsormr]

As I said in the post you quoted... I don't any more.
It was clear from his patreon posts that he's not at all interested in changing the way the game works. If you have a bad connection or his servers are down because of malfuncion, too bad. If his server gets fried, you lose your saves.

I don't mind anything he does in the game, I don't like his business decision to put everything server-side.

Watch and wait. In the long run this will break both DS and Glamours Neck. Greed only works if you are to big of a company to get heckled with. This can only backfire.

All Server Side does also means no one can mod the game.
No one can cheat to skip annoying stuff and most important of all.

No Connection no game.
He can move away from patreon and that would be no problem but to make his own website and then make all server sided is just downright stupid.

It just baffles my mind how you as a dev can ask your fanbase for help and then spit in their face at the same time.

 

[badass]

IMHO, the visual are awesome, but that's it. The other points are lacking. And with some good new games by other experienced dev out there (eg: Milfy City and Melody), Glamour is not appealing.

 

[Ignazzio]

The only huge problem Glamour has is the fact it requires a lot of development time for content creation. With BB's ban this time has been taken and with Patreon model patrons might harm whole project before it will really grow. Damn, I really hate how our "market" works

 

[JasonJemodah]

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Time for another progress report.
Yesterday I have finished working on new locations for 0.2. This includes:

Almost all college locations: main hall, two corridors, Kate's class, two bathrooms, changing rooms, shower rooms, the pool, medical room. Principal's office was ready for intro and teachers' lounge will be introduced after start of the academic year.

Almost all locations in Julia's fitness club: reception, her office, two changing rooms, shower rooms, yoga room and the gym room.

Stores: main hall in the mall, clothing store, sports store and sex shop. The last one won't be in the mall.

Basement in Julia and Kate's house. We have big plans for this location. Kate will probably have to make it presentalbe first.

City map, including the interface and all icons is also ready.

I'm going to keep showing you new locations, but currently I'm working on college uniforms. For women it will be: two main uniforms, four swimsuit types, two sportswear types and cheerleading uniform. Guys will have one type in each category: main uniform, sportswear and swimming shorts.

After that's done I'll start working on NPCs. I'll begin with the teachers and then will go to the students.

We're also working on the current version, we're improving the interface, fixing bugs and adding new functionality. Today we've added Kate's wardrobe. Not everything is already available, we still have some clothes almost ready which we will add soon. First we have to add new stats for the main character, NPCs and for the clothes. Soon main character will be able to rest and sleep (depending on the time of the day). We're currently testing Android version of the game.

 

[troll822]

Watch and wait. In the long run this will break both DS and Glamours Neck. Greed only works if you are to big of a company to get heckled with. This can only backfire.

All Server Side does also means no one can mod the game.
No one can cheat to skip annoying stuff and most important of all.

No Connection no game.
He can move away from patreon and that would be no problem but to make his own website and then make all server sided is just downright stupid.

It just baffles my mind how you as a dev can ask your fanbase for help and then spit in their face at the same time.

I hope it doesn't break Glamour's neck, I wish all success to it etc etc.
Most of his supporters, the people that actually pay for the game, don't mind the online-only and everything-on-server. However as the game moves forward and the Grind shows up... many would wish for mods or at least cheats. When problems with the server eventually happen (he's new to this I think) then he may change his mind.

On the other hand, while a few people may be angry at not being able to play the game for 2-3 days or something, in the end, there will be 4-5 hours more content per month (grinding included). Not being able to play for a few days occassionally won't be too bad.

Hence, I am afraid he will not change his business model.
Hence, I stopped supporting his game.

 

[potopka]

I stopped supporting his game too. I don't like this system for playing. Only with connection, and without you can't play. I don't understand this system. Just restriction. CG looking good, but… for nothing. If I can't play on different pc's wo internet…

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

I hope it doesn't break Glamour's neck, I wish all success to it etc etc.
Most of his supporters, the people that actually pay for the game, don't mind the online-only and everything-on-server. However as the game moves forward and the Grind shows up... many would wish for mods or at least cheats. When problems with the server eventually happen (he's new to this I think) then he may change his mind.

On the other hand, while a few people may be angry at not being able to play the game for 2-3 days or something, in the end, there will be 4-5 hours more content per month (grinding included). Not being able to play for a few days occassionally won't be too bad.

Hence, I am afraid he will not change his business model.
Hence, I stopped supporting his game.

Trust me they do mind they just wait what the next update brings to be sure of it but if DS doesnt deliver something with substance this time he will drop below 1,5k supporters and when that happens it will be to late for him to realize he f... up.

I mean lets be realistic here he dropped BB last year. Now thats almost 4 full months with nothing to show his supportes while other smaller devs with less income and a smaller team produce more content DS does in 4 months.

it doesnt take a genius to see where this is going. If ppl go from patreon away and support him on his website we would already know by know what that website is called.
MrDots and others already made their own website and generate the income over a different game but the moment someone calls Patreon on the secret content his supportes get he is out of patreon for good.

 

[troll822]

Trust me they do mind they just wait what the next update brings to be sure of it but if DS doesnt deliver something with substance this time he will drop below 1,5k supporters and when that happens it will be to late for him to realize he f... up.

I mean lets be realistic here he dropped BB last year. Now thats almost 4 full months with nothing to show his supportes while other smaller devs with less income and a smaller team produce more content DS does in 4 months.

Frankly, it would be unrealistic to expect much content from the base-up in a new game in just 4 months with a platform change etc etc.
Add to this that DS spread out too thin over dozens of locations and wardrobes etc multiplying his workload. It would take more than 4 months for any content of substance. More like 6+ to start getting in some kind of story. And since DS wants to go after many stories ... I would say more than that.

The others create content in already made games with the characters, the code, the rooms etc in place.

HOWEVER:
I believe it would be much better (and honest) if he went on and said "guys and gals, sorry, but it will be 6+ months till we have content in place. Please keep supporting us and I'll give you nice incentives in the meantime, like nude high quality \ resolution poster pics of the characters or for those special few that pay X+ $... posters of chars involved in naughty fun determined by polls. I can do 3-5 of these per month while working on the project."
Instead of going for the "understanding" route, what does he do? He spends time and effort and workhours to make the game less appealing (no mods, server-side saves), make himself seem douchey as if there's a ton of people out to steal his work.

Sure, his game would be pirated. But few of those would be "I'll get Glamour by paying" then. I believe fewer than the people that would say "hmmm... interesting and worth of support." I.e. he limits his exposure and potential clients, not increase it.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

Frankly, it would be unrealistic to expect much content from the base-up in a new game in just 4 months with a platform change etc etc.
Add to this that DS spread out too thin over dozens of locations and wardrobes etc multiplying his workload. It would take more than 4 months for any content of substance. More like 6+ to start getting in some kind of story. And since DS wants to go after many stories ... I would say more than that.

The others create content in already made games with the characters, the code, the rooms etc in place.

HOWEVER:
I believe it would be much better (and honest) if he went on and said "guys and gals, sorry, but it will be 6+ months till we have content in place. Please keep supporting us and I'll give you nice incentives in the meantime, like nude high quality \ resolution poster pics of the characters or for those special few that pay X+ $... posters of chars involved in naughty fun determined by polls. I can do 3-5 of these per month while working on the project."
Instead of going for the "understanding" route, what does he do? He spends time and effort and workhours to make the game less appealing (no mods, server-side saves), make himself seem douchey as if there's a ton of people out to steal his work.

Sure, his game would be pirated. But few of those would be "I'll get Glamour by paying" then. I believe fewer than the people that would say "hmmm... interesting and worth of support." I.e. he limits his exposure and potential clients, not increase it.

It doesnt matter if others create content in already made games or not. He went to big to fast and he know it. Thats the golden rule in Game development you do NOT break. And that is "THINK BIGGER" even Triple A Titles from time to time break this rule and ruin their own franchise where they become to big to fast and never can reach the deadline which to the player feels like half the game was either rushed or certain items/elements are useless as no one deleted them out and the features they where meant for never made it into the game.

What you suggest he could not do cause if he tells ppl this upfront they leave and check back in 5 or 6 months and where does he get money from in that time period? Exactly. So he waits till they figure it out on their own and collects money like the debt collector in the middle ages.

Now he loses the ppl he pissed of with this.
The ppl who dont like the DRM.
The ppl who wanted to see more BB. (minority of leavers)
The ppl who simply had enough of this behaviour.

It starts to become easier to name the groups of ppl he didnt piss off and thats just sad. He is a good Dev and he can make a good game but if someone of his team doesnt start talking to him i fear this dude is gonna lose it. And i dont mean all his patreons i mean he loses the passion of making games as from his point of view those ppl who are leaving are ungrateful.

 

[Deleted member 12408]

And again... I should do this, I should do that...

Milking money? Do you think making money on something is bad or what? Do you expect that people should work for free on adult games? I don't see your point.

And why the hell you demand me to change the whole game? For what? What the point of that? And what the difference with making new game?

Who said that I'm throwing anything at all? We are taking risk as team to make something better that we did before, thats it.

He just wanna make some money guys. It is only his choice how it will be either by force (pay2play) or by free will of patrons. To be honest i think it is not a good time for forcing players to pay for playing his game, he just changed gender of his MC and there is no confidence that people will love the new game and p2p system just making it worse.

 

[miscemayl]

I don't think I'll be following this game. BB was fun if you could deal with the grind, or alleviate it with cheats, but this one requires too much of a sense of disbelief to get into.
I can deal with the low content and missing functionality, as this is a version 0.1 concept demo.
I can deal with the always online requirement, despite my currently spotty internet, though if the free content is more then a month behind the paid, it'll quickly become a deal-breaker.
What I can't deal with is the Contract, and the utter stupidity of those involved with it. I can't believe that anyone, even our shy, sheltered, naive MC Kate, could be dumb enough to sign it. I can't believe that worldly older sister Julia missed the warning banners (with accompanying marching band singing 'protect your sister and GTFO') and let Kate sign. And I can't believe that the Principal thinks it is in any way legally enforceable.

Imagine what would happen if a rule like 'Student nudity is now mandatory', with the punishment of 'losing one point from a student's grades per article of clothing they are caught wearing', was voted in and got tweeted about on social media. Anti-nudism groups would descend in droves, naturist groups would likely join in (as most of them are about choosing to bare all rather then being forced into it), sexual harassment charges would likely be laid, students picked up for indecent exposure... Can't see the 'experimental college' surviving the storm. And that's for something 'relatively' tame compared to what the faculty could ask for.

Thank you! The whole premise of the game is so flawed that I can't even begin to get into it.
That contract would turn away any sane person, and yet here we are, trying to believe this financial penalty will mean Kate will accept anything the Principal decides.

And the recent "updates" of empty rooms are just weird.
That's telling me he doesn't actually know what to do with the game, nor the characters.

Who genuinely cares enough about the backgrounds in a porn game to pay?
1 or 2 is fine but when it's literally ALL that you are showing? WTF?

If he had a story, he could've just created the locations that's required by the 0.2 story.

Why would you create ALL the locations, then ALL the uniforms/clothes, then whatever else he wants to procrastinate on to avoid actually writing a believable and engaging story?

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

Thank you! The whole premise of the game is so flawed that I can't even begin to get into it.
That contract would turn away any sane person, and yet here we are, trying to believe this financial penalty will mean Kate will accept anything the Principal decides.

And the recent "updates" of empty rooms are just weird.
That's telling me he doesn't actually know what to do with the game, nor the characters.

Who genuinely cares enough about the backgrounds in a porn game to pay?
1 or 2 is fine but when it's literally ALL that you are showing? WTF?

If he had a story, he could've just created the locations that's required by the 0.2 story.

Why would you create ALL the locations, then ALL the uniforms/clothes, then whatever else he wants to procrastinate on to avoid actually writing a believable and engaging story?

Cause apparently there are enough ppl who cant put this and that together and still believe they get alot of content in the 0.2 build which we all know is not going to happen. He just will bring up another excuse why it takes so long and milk it some more.

Look at DarkCookie from SummerTime Saga as example. He also delayed his next Update for a long time now and explains it by telling everyone they need to make a patch for patreon and also are busy with the teacher update and that they underestimated the amount of work in it.

Yet he still answers the same questions over and over again in his stream. Still posts on discord about the updates still let ppl know on patreon whats happening and so on and so forth while still showing the progress the game not just the background makes.

I think DS does all that simply by milking the next game before either putting that as hold as well or going back to BB on another website.

 

[miscemayl]

Yeah, he's a great artist but from his update, you wouldn't know he's actually trying to create a game!
Just a bunch of great beautiful background images.

And the fact that the preview images were all Julia (and even the Patreon tier images) and suddenly it's Kate that's the main character suggests none of this is really thought through.

He jumped at the chance to stop making BB but then he didn't actually have anything else in place to justify earning all that Patreon money so he's just milking it now while he can.

 

[JasonJemodah]

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[xןʞ]

SPORT STORE

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

SPORT STORE

I hope they also have the famous national chains of "CLOTHING STORE", "ELECTRONICS STORE", "DRUG STORE" and "SEX SHOP"

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

I hope they also have the famous national chains of "CLOTHING STORE", "ELECTRONICS STORE", "DRUG STORE" and "SEX SHOP"

We get "ALL KINDS OF STORES" as the Hodgetwins would say

 

[volverin3]

Is there some option to play that game? Do i need to copy that "Glamour-CG" to somewhere to play normal or what?
I have only a "Guest option" to play and i can't even leave from house. Or someone can tell me how to start "live" on the guest option and what the different is from other options.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

Is there some option to play that game? Do i need to copy that "Glamour-CG" to somewhere to play normal or what?
I have only a "Guest option" to play and i can't even leave from house. Or someone can tell me how to start "live" on the guest option and what the different is from other options.

That IS the game. There is nothing more to it so far. You cant leave the house.