Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Ninjasquirrel]

Those choices that "don't necessarily do anything in the bigger picture" are some of the most important ones for me.
Character relations is what I find the most interesting in a story.
For example in Game of Thrones, sure the dragons and undeads are cool but what I loved the most was stuff like Jamie and Brienne or The Hound and Arya. Why be invested in the mysteries surrounding the station and your ship's malfunction if you're not invested in the characters?
Another example of good character development is one of my favortie scenes in Mass Effect 2, the reveal of Archangel.
It wouldn't be nearly as cool if I didn't befriend Garrus in the first one, I was genuinely happy to see him.

I very much agree with you, which was one of the reasons I mentioned character developement. The relationship between Jamie and Brienne or The Hound and Arya was some of the best parts of that entire show because of how they developed.
If these character relations we've had so far will be of any significance or if they will just be fillers, only the creator knows, but for me, appreciating these interactions as a integral part of the story as a whole, will only be possible for me when the plot developes, and I think only then the game will have a chance of getting the aknowledgement it deserves.

I don't expect Mass Effect 2-character interactions where dating Miranda will get Jack all pissy at you, but you know I mean.

 

[NeimadFR]

I very much agree with you, which was one of the reasons I mentioned character developement. The relationship between Jamie and Brienne or The Hound and Arya was some of the best parts of that entire show because of how they developed.
If these character relations we've had so far will be of any significance or if they will just be fillers, only the creator knows, but for me, appreciating these interactions as a integral part of the story as a whole, will only be possible for me when the plot developes, and I think only then the game will have a chance of getting the aknowledgement it deserves.

I don't expect Mass Effect 2-character interactions where dating Miranda will get Jack all pissy at you, but you know I mean.

Oh I fully expect the girls to have different reactions based on my dating choices.
We've already seen Chris' reaction for trying to hook up with Annie (though it is rooted more in rules and regulations rather than personnal feelings).
Based on the booby trap scene I can imagine Annie being a bit jealous if I date Sarah.
And let's not forget the wasp nest that my black MC is gonna be poking with Trisha. I wouldn't want to be in his place if it goes public.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

Oh I fully expect the girls to have different reactions based on my dating choices.
We've already seen Chris' reaction for trying to hook up with Annie (though it is rooted more in rules and regulations rather than personnal feelings).
Based on the booby trap scene I can imagine Annie being a bit jealous if I date Sarah.
And let's not forget the wasp nest that my black MC is gonna be poking with Trisha. I wouldn't want to be in his place if it goes public.

Yup, we'll just have to wait and see what the next release have to offer.

 

[moskyx]

I made a quick diagram to explain this little controversy after 2 years of development. Hope this helps to explain why some players feel this game has "little" content at this point

 

[WaltS]

I made a quick diagram to explain this little controversy after 2 years of development. Hope this helps to explain why some players feel this game has "little" content at this point
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How very true
However - this is one of the very few "pr0n" AVNs that warrants replaying! And replaying over and over to boot - BZ Nottravis

Or is that "Nottravis actual"? JK

 

[moskyx]

How very true
However - this is one of the very few "pr0n" AVNs that warrants replaying! And replaying over and over to boot - BZ Nottravis

Or is that "Nottravis actual"? JK

Problem being that a lot of people just don't wanna replay it or are unable to get most of the different paths without using guide's help. All in all, this leads to many people leaving the game with a feeling of 'lack of content" that isn't really fair - but it was what they experienced. As I said some times before, this feeling will decrease with every new update, as main plot will be more developed and people will feel more engaged by it and thus more willing to explore more branches they overlooked at first

 

[TheDevian]

Problem being that a lot of people just don't wanna replay it or are unable to get most of the different paths without using guide's help. All in all, this leads to many people leaving the game with a feeling of 'lack of content" that isn't really fair - but it was what they experienced. As I said some times before, this feeling will decrease with every new update, as main plot will be more developed and people will feel more engaged by it and thus more willing to explore more branches they overlooked at first

This game was never intended for anyone to get every path, there will be hundreds by the time it is done. Even with a guide, getting everything is almost impossible.

The goal was to make everyone's experience unique, not make you play hundreds of times.

However, yes, I have a feeling that those complaints will lessen with the next update, since there will be a lot more sexy stuff added from 4 on.

 

[LiptonDI]

Weirdly, this game is among the few where I am more interested in the story, and what it as to offer, rather than some specific love interest, or lewd scenes. I guess it's the kind of old school Sci-fy feeling

 

[WaltS]

Weirdly, this game is among the few where I am more interested in the story, and what it as to offer, rather than some specific love interest, or lewd scenes. I guess it's the kind of old school Sci-fy feeling

Right on the money.
That is a game I would actually play w/o any of the lewd stuff. So any lewds are just icing on the cake...

 

[moskyx]

This game was never intended for anyone to get every path, there will be hundreds by the time it is done. Even with a guide, getting everything is almost impossible.

The goal was to make everyone's experience unique, not make you play hundreds of times.

However, yes, I have a feeling that those complaints will lessen with the next update, since there will be a lot more sexy stuff added from 4 on.

That's what I'm hoping. After all, even if you're not a completionist and just play H5 the way you like to play it (I mean following the path you like the most or feels more natural to you) you don't really advance that much. That's the main issue with the game right now and also the reason why I'm not especially optimistic about releases getting faster: if she wants to add at least some content to the major paths, with this massive branching that means lots of work (as we can already see for this upcoming chapter). This is not criticism, it's just the way she has chosen for her game and I totally respect her for it

 

[LiptonDI]

That's what I'm hoping. After all, even if you're not a completionist and just play H5 the way you like to play it (I mean following the path you like the most or feels more natural to you) you don't really advance that much. That's the main issue with the game right now and also the reason why I'm not especially optimistic about releases getting faster: if she wants to add at least some content to the major paths, with this massive branching that means lots of work (as we can already see for this upcoming chapter). This is not criticism, it's just the way she has chosen for her game and I totally respect her for it

Another game like this is Summer Scent. Like heavy five, it's very high quality in all departments, but updates take a loooong time, and because of all the branching paths, you have the impression that the story progresses at a snail pace. Quality and actual meaningfully choices with branching paths take time, so I guess for these sorts of games, you have to arm yourself with patience.

 

[TheDevian]

That's what I'm hoping. After all, even if you're not a completionist and just play H5 the way you like to play it (I mean following the path you like the most or feels more natural to you) you don't really advance that much. That's the main issue with the game right now and also the reason why I'm not especially optimistic about releases getting faster: if she wants to add at least some content to the major paths, with this massive branching that means lots of work (as we can already see for this upcoming chapter). This is not criticism, it's just the way she has chosen for her game and I totally respect her for it

Here is the thing, she got better equipment, so much better that it she started over to make it that much better, including race and gender options for the MC, that also can affect their sister. This won't have to be redone again. On top of that, she has even better equipment now, including a second computer. So, they will either get faster or higher quality, either way it is a win for us.

Many times, she has said that the next chapter will have more sex, but in game this is only day 2, few games let you have sex that fast with people you just met, and most of those are just silly. Even then, there has been some, depending on what you do.

As I understand it, even an harem route is possible, though it may or may not be the ...happiest of endings.

 

[LiptonDI]

Here is the thing, she got better equipment, so much better that it she started over to make it that much better, including race and gender options for the MC, that also can affect their sister. This won't have to be redone again. On top of that, she has even better equipment now, including a second computer. So, they will either get faster or higher quality, either way it is a win for us.

Many times, she has said that the next chapter will have more sex, but in game this is only day 2, few games let you have sex that fast with people you just met, and most of those are just silly. Even then, there has been some, depending on what you do.

As I understand it, even an harem route is possible, though it may or may not be the ...happiest of endings.

I don't think a full harem route would make much sense given the current state of the characters right now. But I hope at least a partial harem route including only some of the LIs that make sense, will at least be possible.

 

[TheDevian]

I don't think a full harem route would make much sense given the current state of the characters right now. But I hope at least a partial harem route including only some of the LIs that make sense, will at least be possible.

Well, it depends on the path, and what you do, this could include you all being stranded, and you being the only man left there, or something worse, like being enslaved to the LGM. It's hard to say how such a thing could play out... Notty likes her surprises after all.

 

[akenedy]

One of the reasons why I think this game deserves more recognition is the number of choices that are presented which make each playthrough different.

There are too many VN's with a linear story and Illusions of choice and very few with truly branched pathways with choices that actually have an impact on the story and characters, which is also way more difficult to make because of all the additional scenes that need to be planned out, written and then produced which unsurprisingly takes a lot of time. I also think that a lot of people aren't used to playing such type of game either, coming from more straightforward adult VN's.

But something that I observed and think this game lacks the most is a proper business plan. Nottravis is obviously a very talented writer/developer and I respect the amount of work she puts into her game but the way this game is handled schedule and market-wise is kinda messy. It's also the main reason why I think this game doesn't grow past its niche following and while more frequent updates might not push the story forward it will draw more attention to it, so a move for a faster release schedule would be a step in the right direction in my opinion.

 

[F1forhalp]

the thing about the complaints (well i call them that for lack of better term, it's late here) is, what we call "the quickshot wants his quick shot"; people come to a porn site for the porn, lesser for gameplay. some just leave, some complain, some come for the porn and stay for the story.

 

[Canto Forte]

Well .. enough is enough ... having a dom be the ruler of the world you inhabit,
that ruler hogging all the babes, treating them like they owe anything to some
sleazy authoritarian know it all, that a whole lot off putting in this game.

Let us put it this way ... the gurl that you might think is pretty,
that she be on your mind, like you would like to know her better,
is already buttered up and undressed to panties, literally beyond panties even,
by the sleaze ball that runs a so called crew by mean sex oriented out of her pants remarks.

That same sleaze ball effectively grabs one woman by words, the other by force,
essentially throwing you out for what can only be described as banging purposes.

That scene leaves nothing else to ever dream of, because it is happening just as that sleaze ball
had the arms around a babe intent on making her go topless (a kiss was going to happen also)

There you have it .. most gamers are put off at the thought of romancing / falling in love
with those gurls, they are already treated like meat by some sleazeball,
who wants spoiled meat?

Then, even if you pursue the gurl you could see as being a little more independent,
the moment you are just together, that sleaze ball barges in to wreck any modicum of life
any gamer thought to try and make in this game for the MC - just be with someone...

Dev be like: Nah ... you do not have a life ...
So why go through all those lines? Why go through all the dialogue, with no pay off?

This is not just about a kink of dom for that sleaze ball ... there is literally no motivation 4 the players.

As such, playing some arid game where some sleazeball keeps wrecking anything you build,
makes all these choices meaningless ... of course most players be like:

I hope I can get me some action, ”Cause all this no life no purpuse no meaning is a drag!

 

[DanteRed]

Well .. enough is enough ... having a dom be the ruler of the world you inhabit,
that ruler hogging all the babes, treating them like they owe anything to some
sleazy authoritarian know it all, that a whole lot off putting in this game.

Let us put it this way ... the gurl that you might think is pretty,
that she be on your mind, like you would like to know her better,
is already buttered up and undressed to panties, literally beyond panties even,
by the sleaze ball that runs a so called crew by mean sex oriented out of her pants remarks.

That same sleaze ball effectively grabs one woman by words, the other by force,
essentially throwing you out for what can only be described as banging purposes.

That scene leaves nothing else to ever dream of, because it is happening just as that sleaze ball
had the arms around a babe intent on making her go topless (a kiss was going to happen also)

There you have it .. most gamers are put off at the thought of romancing / falling in love
with those gurls, they are already treated like meat by some sleazeball,
who wants spoiled meat?

Then, even if you pursue the gurl you could see as being a little more independent,
the moment you are just together, that sleaze ball barges in to wreck any modicum of life
any gamer thought to try and make in this game for the MC - just be with someone...

Dev be like: Nah ... you do not have a life ...
So why go through all those lines? Why go through all the dialogue, with no pay off?

This is not just about a kink of dom for that sleaze ball ... there is literally no motivation 4 the players.

As such, playing some arid game where some sleazeball keeps wrecking anything you build,
makes all these choices meaningless ... of course most players be like:

I hope I can get me some action, ”Cause all this no life no purpuse no meaning is a drag!

Thank you for explaining your view on why you dislike a certain aspect of the game. I'm not being sarcastic, it actually made me understand things from your point of view and others that may think the same. Before I talk about how I see things, I just want to make it clear that I'm not looking to start any fights or hot debates. If I may sound harsh at any point, I apologize in advance.

Now, regarding Chris (the dom), I believe you are being immensely unfair towards her and quite frankly, didn't take the time to play the game all that attentively. She is openly bisexual with all her crew members and while she may try to get in their pants, at no point is it shown that this is done in a rapey, abusive way. Hell, if you reject her domme route, she doesn't hold a grudge over it nor do you face any negative consequences regarding it.

Also, compared to other games, the other women are not some brain dead bimbos, just waiting to be fucked by anyone who looks their way. Annie rejects Chris's advances and even a female MC has to flirt with Annie a ton before she agrees to spend any intimate time together and all that will unlock is a pool game. While Sarah will be more receptive to the advances, it still comes down to her accepting them because she chooses to, not because Chris is forcing her.

Regarding the part where your intimate session is interrupted by Chris, you are given fair warning that this may happen and it's even explicitly stated in the intermission at the end of Chapter 2 why that happens so if people are frustrated by the interruption, that is their fault and their fault only.

And lastly, about this point - "most gamers are put off at the thought of romancing / falling in love
with those gurls, they are already treated like meat by some sleazeball, who wants spoiled meat?" - Are you kidding me? This is like the ultimate plot line for the wife/mother/landlady character, where the player is able to seduce her BECAUSE the husband/father/whatever is a negligent or abusive asshole. Thus the player can feel like a hero for rescuing the damsel and giving her the life she should have (filled with lots and lots of sex, of course.). I believe that for this game, some players are more put off because they have competition when it comes to seducing the other women and prefer to blame Chris because she is an obstacle in the glorious search for the naughty bits.

In any case, this is how I view things. I hope that I was able to explain things in a proper manner.

 

[Huitieme]

...

Canto, did you forget your medication again?

 

[Canto Forte]

Yah .. I do miss me some Nottravis banter from time to time ...

I would appreciate it if Avaron1974 woulld be so kind as to spoil us about her
feelings when Chris just tells evryone on the bridge to undress,
talks about the naughty bits with both women,
then actually puts her hands on a crying gurl and almost kissing her,
that is the scene right there, convinces her to undress and be bare bosoms.

Because 4 me it was disrespectful and a sleazeball move.
Chris talks a lot in this game about getting in gurls pants, literally the whole start of episode 2,
in that respect, even MC is wondering what kinky time chris spent all day with his sis.

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MC never confronts her, when he does he automatically looses because chris is the dom ...

If chris was believable and did not suck the life out of everybody,
she was the engineer, or the medic, or the ensing,
not the deux ex makina plot armored boss that hoggs everyones lives.

There is no life left for Mc or any other gurl to actually spend together.

the thing about the complaints (well i call them that for lack of better term, it's late here) is, what we call "the quickshot wants his quick shot"; people come to a porn site for the porn, lesser for gameplay. some just leave, some complain, some come for the porn and stay for the story.

Thank you for explaining your view on why you dislike a certain aspect of the game. I'm not being sarcastic, it actually made me understand things from your point of view and others that may think the same. Before I talk about how I see things, I just want to make it clear that I'm not looking to start any fights or hot debates. If I may sound harsh at any point, I apologize in advance.

Now, regarding Chris (the dom), I believe you are being immensely unfair towards her and quite frankly, didn't take the time to play the game all that attentively. She is openly bisexual with all her crew members and while she may try to get in their pants, at no point is it shown that this is done in a rapey, abusive way. Hell, if you reject her domme route, she doesn't hold a grudge over it nor do you face any negative consequences regarding it.

Also, compared to other games, the other women are not some brain dead bimbos, just waiting to be fucked by anyone who looks their way. Annie rejects Chris's advances and even a female MC has to flirt with Annie a ton before she agrees to spend any intimate time together and all that will unlock is a pool game. While Sarah will be more receptive to the advances, it still comes down to her accepting them because she chooses to, not because Chris is forcing her.

Regarding the part where your intimate session is interrupted by Chris, you are given fair warning that this may happen and it's even explicitly stated in the intermission at the end of Chapter 2 why that happens so if people are frustrated by the interruption, that is their fault and their fault only.

And lastly, about this point - "most gamers are put off at the thought of romancing / falling in love
with those gurls, they are already treated like meat by some sleazeball, who wants spoiled meat?" - Are you kidding me? This is like the ultimate plot line for the wife/mother/landlady character, where the player is able to seduce her BECAUSE the husband/father/whatever is a negligent or abusive asshole. Thus the player can feel like a hero for rescuing the damsel and giving her the life she should have (filled with lots and lots of sex, of course.). I believe that for this game, some players are more put off because they have competition when it comes to seducing the other women and prefer to blame Chris because she is an obstacle in the glorious search for the naughty bits.

In any case, this is how I view things. I hope that I was able to explain things in a proper manner.

Canto, did you forget your medication again?

MCs thoughts just fuel the anger, he has no will left, seems to be looking 4 scraps,
whatever bits of human kindness left after chris being a married bi flirt/banter automaton
makes everyone uneasy and seemingly just looking 4 a quick score,
anything to forget tomorrow will have to expect another round of chris.

I still feel like escaping into the callisto / tales of the unending void where gurls that care show it.