Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Nottravis]

If anyone here knows Notty IRL - could you check in with her? Getting a little worried for her.

I hope to hell no one here does know me IRL!

Hi @Nottravis!

I'm currently halfway chapter 1, and so far, enjoying the story a lot!! I can see the attention that went into it. I have two very minor nitpicks, that I'm only sharing because you seem to go for a very realistic setting.

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Keep rocking!

Hi! Thanks for these and I'm glad you've enjoyed the game so far. My apologies for the delay in responding due to an unexpected bout of illness. But that's a long and boring story.

You're absolutely right on both counts of course. It was more of a design/stylistic choice on my part in that I thought Celsius would be more familiar to the player than Kelvin. As to Pan vs Mayday, again you're totes on the mark, it was just that Pan Pan somehow came across better on screen than Mayday. (I'm putting it down as cannon that Sarah screwed up in the heat of the moment)

Got round to playing chapter 2. Still loving the story and feel of the game.

Still no sex for 'my guy', at the end I got 'You didn't' on all but one. Not sure if that's good or bad.

I'm glad you're still enjoying it. The end results scores on the doors are more a hint to the player of potential scenes they've missed rather than a victory point total as there are a lot of routes which may not be apparent. It's my crude way of flagging their existence.

So...good or bad. I suppose the ultimate answer is if you're happy with how your character is influencing the story, then it's good

Battlestar Galactica vibe.

I'll wait for a couple more chapters to come out but looks interesting.

I'll confess new BSG was a heavy design influence.

Not quite. That's like the MC being required to give his spanner to Chris.

A passenger should never authority over the flight crew regardless of his rank.


It's her ship for this mission. We don't know the standard crew roster of the Vanguard, so there may be someone of higher rank assigned as the commanding officer, but in this instance it is her ship.

Totally this.

There is just no way to know. Depends entirely on the orders which we have not seen yet. Could be that she is the mission commander and he is the mission specialist. That would mean she is in charge. But could also be that it's his mission and the flight crew have been ordered to support the mission (in essence: To be the Taxi), which would put him in Charge.

Also: The Mission often overrides seniority. Sometimes even an NCO can be in charge of Officers, if that's what the mission requires. That is often the case during Training. For example the USNavy SEAL NCOs conducting Basic Underwater Demolition and Seal Training are in charge of Officers undergoing the course despite being technically outranked. (They are of course still relatively polite)



By that logic the President should give the Nuclear Briefcase to the Pilot everytime he boards Airforce One. Also, just because someone is the Pilot doesn't mean it's his ship.

That doesn't really prove anything because:
1) They are the same rank
2) MC is not under her command (unlike Annie)
3) depending on the orders they had, MC could actually be superior officer while on the station (she's superior while on board Vanguad)

Basically, I'm not sure Chris have any authority to do anything to MC other than report him to their superiors... which she can't even do at the moment due to communications being down (that's if she's willing to do that since it would also create a problem for Annie).

Article 40 of the UCMJ:
"The military judge or a court-martial without a military judge may, for reasonable cause, grant a continuance to any party for such time, and as often, as may appear to be just. "

Do I have the wrong edition on my table?

One other thing that's been buggering me - who's senior?

Then she might be 'Mission Commander' for the duration of the flight but on station, Seniority is what counts when both parties involved are of the same rank (and no other orders exist). So we would need to know who was promoted first (simply put) to determine who's in charge.

I trust you'll forgive me for bundling some points up together.

• Chris and the MC are of the same rank
• On a seniority basis she has held her rank longer (but that's not terribly important)
• The MC is not under her command, unlike Annie which is why she can discipline our poor CE.
• All Chris can really do is lose her temper with the MC and warn him off - and perhaps report him (although as Ripe says quite rightly this would well drop Annie in as well more than likely)
• But, more generally, on the matter of who is in charge if we go on what the player knows so far there are two distinct missions. The Transit one which is purely Chadwick's (go to planet, drop off cargo and SLF and come back), and the MC's one. Chris doesn't have anything to do with the MC's mission per se - BUT- and it's a bigger but than the one dear Trish is carrying around - her bird is down. So whereas before the two missions were very distinct and not related, now they are interwoven. If the MC is interfering in her mission orders (ie preventing her repairs) then the two are in conflict. Now that's before we even get into officer initiative on a changing mission scene, Chadwick's personality (Piper Palace anyone?) or indeed any orders that the player may well not even know about yet...after all, he got some last minute...

There is a lot more I could tell/say about this. Buuuuuuuuuuut, it's more appropriate to not do so and let the story/path evolve else I will be spoiling things or influencing your game decisions.

The one thing I will add is that the Chris/Annie scene wasn't a "bad end" by any means. It merely opens up a whole new pathway. After all, what will Annie make of all this?

 

[TheDevian]

It was more of a design/stylistic choice on my part in that I thought Celsius would be more familiar to the player than Kelvin.

I'm in the US, so I have to stop and convert it either way.

 

[Nottravis]

Hi guys,
I've been dabbling in Daz for a few weeks now, and I think this thread is in serious need of Annie's fanart

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Nice! Have you figured out what's the other hairstyle Annie wears? That one is eluding me and would be my preferred choice.

Here a little something from a setup I use to test models.

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Nice stuff. Please fan-art away with my blessing I suspect some of you buggers will be better at rendering than I am!

Annie's other hair is a colour modified version of

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. I should warn you that it's not that flexible an asset but requires a lot less render time than her other her style being more simple in construction (because of my rig resources this was one of the ways to save render time, as well as being practical for when she's busy)

I guess the real moral of the story is, don't give up before the game is over, and don't sell yourself short. Be yourself. If she falls for you because you're acting in a way that isn't natural to you it won't last, and if she doesn't like you for who you are, then it'll never work out.

Speaking from the other side of the hill, I concur with this totally.

Maybe the dom women to the core have gone to bat for the other team as it were, because they got tired of all the guys trying to get to their 'true' submissiveness and they got fed up heh.

Um...oh is that the time? I must dash...

She IS an Officer, so that's kinda her job.


This can very well be a "shit test". Like "Are you brave enough to call me on my bullshit?"


I'd love to get an Oral Reprimand from her *lecherous wink*


It's just like the 1-10 Hotness scale. It is very useful or completely useless depending on the context. Does it accurately and objectively describe every possible form of inter-personal relationship? No. Is it good enough to model a specific Situation in a specific Context? Yes.

The Alpha-Beta concept is very useful considering that (most) women sort men into 2 distinct categories:

1. Males that make good providers and that get the "i am a good girl. You have to at least date me for X weeks (or even marry me) before we can have sex and even then I pretend to be somewhat vanilla so you don't think bad of me"-treatment and

2. Males whose confidence get their pussies super wet but who have too many options to be tied down like that and with whom the woman can explore her sexuality without risking to lose a potential husband or long-term boyfriend.

And in that context the Alpha-Beta concept is very useful. Because the reactions you get from women depending in which category she sorts you are very, VERY different. Like Night and Day different. Of course in the 2 groups there are like a bazillion shades and also males can be in one group in one relationship and in another group in another relationship.

(The Alpha female thing though, that's another matter and has nothing to do with the dynamic above, if it even exists)

We don't know yet for sure, but the fact that she had a relationship with a guy who then started to fuck around on her strongly suggests that 1. She is Bi-sexual, not lesbian (it's a continuous scale anyway, very few people are strictly one or the other) and 2. that the other guy was not some pussy-whipped beta male heellicker, but was in fact the dominant one in that relationship, which precludes the possibility of her being truly dominant at her core. Most likely she is some sort of alpha female, where she relinquishes power to her chosen male, shares that males other women and keeps the "pack" in check.

I am a major fan of this dynamic. If you can pull this off as a man, it's a thing of beauty. I had girls literally bring their female friends (and in one case her 'little' sister) around for me to fuck. It's amazing.

Of course, if Nottravis can pull it off, we could also get the option to chose one of the dynamics going forward. I can see some people wanting the MC to just be dominated by her and I respect that.

Mr jdoch that was a -most- interesting set of posts - and you touched upon something which no one else has done yet....(no I'm not saying which bit!)

My theory...

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Wait for it, wait for it...

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And at that point I think I'll draw the line having gone back to the start of April.

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments and the continued interest in my little game. Again, I apologise hugely for the worry caused.

 

[Nottravis]

Oh! One last thing!

I know that a few of you have a few problems with the Chris/Annie scene and whether the behaviours are apt but have you considered what sort of day Chris is having?

• gets woken up in the middle of the night to find out she's now got to fly down to Ophion
• no doubt is spending a bit of time blaming her husband for landing her with this duty
• finds out that she's taking Harris...oh great.
• spends next few hours rousting up a crew and getting Vanguard in flyable order again
• gets a stroke of luck on finding out that Harris is replaced
• meets the MC who may, or may not, be a dick
• has a major accident in space and everyone nearly dies
• pulls off a heartstopper of a landing
• finds out Ophion is staffed by a skeleton crew of missing pers and bickering idiots
• finds out no one knows what is wrong with her deathtrap of a ship
• goes for a drink with Kelly (at last something good!)
• finds the mc in bed with her very drunk engineer

And that's before we get into the psychology of whatever else is going on, past behaviours, stuff you don't know about yet etc...

Dunno about you, but I can be a bitch if I find I've no coffee in the morning let alone that lot

Laters!

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

finds out that she's taking Harris...oh great.

someone has to bait the LGM

may not

he may not

 

[TheDevian]

Nice stuff. Please fan-art away with my blessing I suspect some of you buggers will be better at rendering than I am!

The trick is to whip the hamsters REALLY hard.

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[freedom.call]

I hope to hell no one here does know me IRL!

I think most of us feel the same, not about not knowing you but not being known. That sentence played better in my head.

I'm glad you're still enjoying it. The end results scores on the doors are more a hint to the player of potential scenes they've missed rather than a victory point total as there are a lot of routes which may not be apparent. It's my crude way of flagging their existence.

So...good or bad. I suppose the ultimate answer is if you're happy with how your character is influencing the story, then it's good

Stories/progress/anticipation is more important to me than sex scenes. I'm not a 'game fapper' (but I do enjoy lewd scenes obviously).

 

[Sulring Durgul]

- goes for a drink with Kelly (at last something good!)
- finds the mc in bed with her very drunk engineer

This raises an important question: WHERE did Chris go for drinks with Kelly, because Annie and the MC where busy getting rascally drunk in the mess area. Given the limited area available, I find it strange that Chris and Kelly wouldn't have noticed Annie and the MC playing drinking games at one point or another during the evening...

Or perhaps... Kelly turned Chris down, which did not improve her mood, and explains why she barged in the way she did. That would also mean that Chris is lying about her progress with the frogette...

 

[Akamari]

This raises an important question: WHERE did Chris go for drinks with Kelly, because Annie and the MC where busy getting rascally drunk in the mess area. Given the limited area available, I find it strange that Chris and Kelly wouldn't have noticed Annie and the MC playing drinking games at one point or another during the evening...

The area with the formerly purple courtain perhaps?

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

This raises an important question: WHERE did Chris go for drinks with Kelly, because Annie and the MC where busy getting rascally drunk in the mess area. Given the limited area available, I find it strange that Chris and Kelly wouldn't have noticed Annie and the MC playing drinking games at one point or another during the evening...

Or perhaps... Kelly turned Chris down, which did not improve her mood, and explains why she barged in the way she did. That would also mean that Chris is lying about her progress with the frogette...

unless Chris's plan with Kelly is to use the MC...

 

[Akamari]

The area with the formerly purple courtain perhaps?

An interesting detail I haven't noticed before about the Ch.3 sneakypeeky render is that there is a window that offers view of what appears to be the mess hall.

So if Chris was there that night, it would explain how, in a certain scenario, did she know when and where to go. It wouldn't explain though why would she wait so long before interfering.

 

[Nottravis]

This raises an important question: WHERE did Chris go for drinks with Kelly, because Annie and the MC where busy getting rascally drunk in the mess area. Given the limited area available, I find it strange that Chris and Kelly wouldn't have noticed Annie and the MC playing drinking games at one point or another during the evening...

Or perhaps... Kelly turned Chris down, which did not improve her mood, and explains why she barged in the way she did. That would also mean that Chris is lying about her progress with the frogette...

The answer is frightfully dull I'm afraid. Kelly explains what happens at the start of Chapter Three...

And Chris? Lie? Perish the thought...

 

[thomasxlong]

Nottravis just been catching up on you catching up and I've gotta say, it is good to have you back, you funny fucker.

 

[Nottravis]

Nottravis just been catching up on you catching up and I've gotta say, it is good to have you back, you funny fucker.

*grins and curtsies*

It's bloody good to be back Thomas tbh.

 

[Nottravis]

An interesting detail I haven't noticed before about the Ch.3 sneakypeeky render is that there is a window that offers view of what appears to be the mess hall.

So if Chris was there that night, it would explain how, in a certain scenario, did she know when and where to go. It wouldn't explain though why would she wait so long before interfering.

Oh missed that point. Did you mean why/how she turns up when she does?

That was purely because she says she will at the start of Chapter Two. If I recall correctly, the player is reminded of it when deciding whether to go for drinks, see Sarah etc too.

 

[Akamari]

Oh missed that point. Did you mean why/how she turns up when she does?

That was purely because she says she will at the start of Chapter Two. If I recall correctly, the player is reminded of it when deciding whether to go for drinks, see Sarah etc too.

Ah, back to the good old times of me missing stuff.

You're right, of course. I think what confused me is that she said: "Maybe...I'll drop by later tonight" which I read as if there were no dots. Now I see the "maybe" is connected to her previous musings about what's going on.

So, at that point I didn't realise there was basically a scheduled appointment and I didn't count on it later on. There is no excuse for me ignoring the reminder every time though, that makes it clear as day. Gotta pay better attention to MC's thoughts from now on!

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

Ah, back to the good old times of me missing stuff.

You're right, of course. I think what confused me is that she said: "Maybe...I'll drop by later tonight" which I read as if there were no dots. Now I see the "maybe" is connected to her previous musings about what's going on.

So, at that point I didn't realise there was basically a scheduled appointment and I didn't count on it later on. There is no excuse for me ignoring the reminder every time though, that makes it clear as day. Gotta pay better attention to MC's thoughts from now on!

stop confusing me....

 

[Akamari]

stop confusing me....

I mean the "Still I've a few hours to myself before Chadwick is due to drop by to update me." should had made it clear to me that there is a VERY high probability of a Chris random encounter in an inopportune moment.

 

[Nottravis]

I mean the "Still I've a few hours to myself before Chadwick is due to drop by to update me." should had made it clear to me that there is a VERY high probability of a Chris random encounter in an inopportune moment.

Yeah, just a tad

Don't get me wrong - I don't expect anyone went "Yay!" at that scene (although as I've said earlier, it opens up different paths and shouldn't be regarded as a bad end) but equally I tried to lay it out in such a way that no one should be thinking "Well, that was damned (insert expletive of choice as you see fit) unfair!"

From memory, as any time on the PC is dealing with you scamps, making some naughty schoolgirl becca renders or playing/checking Chapter Three, the nudges were as follows:

• Chapter One, Annie raises concerns about getting together with the MC as they could get into trouble
• Chapter One, Chris can raise a flag if the MC comes across as too familiar with her crew
• Chapter One, Annie's staff record does suggest she has a nose for trouble with her constant demotions.
• Chapter Two, Chris says she'll visit
• Chapter Two, Chris mentions during the walk with Marcus that Annie is a bit of a booze hound
• Chapter Two, the MC's thoughts that Chris will visit prior to making the choice
• Chapter Two, Annies rather copious thirst and pursuit of carrying on drinking even when drunk
• Chapter Two, the MC's thoughts during the drinking session are practically screaming this is a bad idea (and on more than one occasion) and he has the option to bail out on several occasions.

So, the set up that getting caught with Annie is not a good thing; that Annie is likely to get drunk; that she's the type to do what she wants to do and sod the rules; and that Chris was going to turn up was, I feel, fairly signalled. And as a rider during that scene between Chris and Annie it should be fairly clear that this is not a one-off incident from our favourite engineer...

So...in a consequence based game, the player made his choice and got the consequences...

Your mileage, of course, may vary

Oh, it might be worth mentioning for the faint hearted that this is a really minor consequence compared to some down the road - but fair words butter no parsnips of course, so I'll get my lazy arse back in gear in getting better and getting more H5 out

 

[Huitieme]

Yeah, just a tad

Don't get me wrong - I don't expect anyone went "Yay!" at that scene (although as I've said earlier, it opens up different paths and shouldn't be regarded as a bad end) but equally I tried to lay it out in such a way that no one should be thinking "Well, that was damned (insert expletive of choice as you see fit) unfair!"

From memory, as any time on the PC is dealing with you scamps, making some naughty schoolgirl becca renders or playing/checking Chapter Three, the nudges were as follows:

• Chapter One, Annie raises concerns about getting together with the MC as they could get into trouble
• Chapter One, Chris can raise a flag if the MC comes across as too familiar with her crew
• Chapter One, Annie's staff record does suggest she has a nose for trouble with her constant demotions.
• Chapter Two, Chris says she'll visit
• Chapter Two, Chris mentions during the walk with Marcus that Annie is a bit of a booze hound
• Chapter Two, the MC's thoughts that Chris will visit prior to making the choice
• Chapter Two, Annies rather copious thirst and pursuit of carrying on drinking even when drunk
• Chapter Two, the MC's thoughts during the drinking session are practically screaming this is a bad idea (and on more than one occasion) and he has the option to bail out on several occasions.

So, the set up that getting caught with Annie is not a good thing; that Annie is likely to get drunk; that she's the type to do what she wants to do and sod the rules; and that Chris was going to turn up was, I feel, fairly signalled.

So...in a consequence based game, the player made his choice and got the consequences...

Your mileage, of course, may vary

Oh, it might be worth mentioning for the faint hearted that this is a really minor consequence compared to some down the road - but fair words butter no parsnips of course, so I'll get my lazy arse back in gear in getting better and getting more H5 out

You make it sound like we've been warned and made the wrong decision, when everyone knows that it was mostly the random wrath of an unjust dev god that lead to Chris catching us. I reject your reality and well thought arguments!