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Try to remember even if we are in update 2 that the people have only met each other the same day and are in a professional setting. So things actually move already pretty fast.

If Notty keeps the same progression as was original you will not see any full sex in update 3 either with the main chars , which is actually only the second day for the story (though for those on certain paths there were some things happening) and first will appear with the characters of the game itself in chapter 4. Now I also do not know how much she changed that and if she might bring something forward, kinda unlikely since it would not make much sense yet.
Developers definitely take different approaches to it, for sure. I've even made note of this in another post where someone else was slightly disappointed with a different game; you either get the "straight to fuckin'" development, or you get the "build up a story" version, and both are fine, not knocking this one at all really, as I said I enjoyed it for the most part, though there definitely is that nagging "man, I really wish it at least gave* me something more" feeling. I suppose I at least know where this one is on the spectrum... heh.
 
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Developers definitely take different approaches to it, for sure. I've even made note of this in another post where someone else was slightly disappointed with a different game; you either get the "straight to fuckin'" development, or you get the "build up a story" version, and both are fine, not knocking this one at all really, as I said I enjoyed it for the most part, though there definitely is that nagging "man, I really wish it at least game me something more" feeling. I suppose I at least know where this one is on the spectrum... heh.
Yeah you will need some patience until chapter 4, before teasing goes to action. :p Now that is way before update 0.8 though and third day in game so not extreme slow I would say, besides you might find a few things in chapter 3, just not with the main chars themselves. As Neimad said this is first and foremost an Adult story game, but Notty is intending to let those who want some adult to get theirs too during the game. Now some of that might be even too much for some I suspect. :p
 
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I was just thinking, though... part of the problem (which, to reiterate, is not actually *my* problem, just an observation) might be that Chris is a major horndog in both chapters, comes on strong to everyone (with lady parts, I'm assuming?), which is a bit odd and disingenuous considering the slow roll of the game, you almost expect her to just break into your room and take you right there... but then it doesn't happen. That might be something to look at for chapter 3 if given the time. It's an easy in for fulfilling at least some of that craving players might have.
 

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I was just thinking, though... part of the problem (which, to reiterate, is not actually *my* problem, just an observation) might be that Chris is a major horndog in both chapters, comes on strong to everyone (with lady parts, I'm assuming?), which is a bit odd and disingenuous considering the slow roll of the game, you almost expect her to just break into your room and take you right there... but then it doesn't happen. That might be something to look at for chapter 3 if given the time. It's an easy in for fulfilling at least some of that craving players might have.
At this point I feel like if there's anyone pants you could get in easily in chapter 3 it's Trisha's, that scene in the plant basically leads to "come fuck me in my lab tomorrow"
 

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At this point I feel like if there's anyone pants you could get in easily in chapter 3 it's Trisha's, that scene in the plant basically leads to "come fuck me in my lab tomorrow"
I haven't played that route yet, but I heard/saw there were a lot of different interactions/ends here, so I'll have to check it out.
 

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I was just thinking, though... part of the problem (which, to reiterate, is not actually *my* problem, just an observation) might be that Chris is a major horndog in both chapters, comes on strong to everyone (with lady parts, I'm assuming?), which is a bit odd and disingenuous considering the slow roll of the game, you almost expect her to just break into your room and take you right there... but then it doesn't happen. That might be something to look at for chapter 3 if given the time. It's an easy in for fulfilling at least some of that craving players might have.
Ah be aware any of the ladies have a bit more depth as at first might appear and remember Chris is a fan of control in all things and so also in her action. Besides for that bit more wild side from Chris, she likely enjoys the hunt more as the catch. If you really want more you better keep her interested I suspect. :p
 

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I was just thinking, though... part of the problem (which, to reiterate, is not actually *my* problem, just an observation) might be that Chris is a major horndog in both chapters, comes on strong to everyone (with lady parts, I'm assuming?), which is a bit odd and disingenuous considering the slow roll of the game, you almost expect her to just break into your room and take you right there... but then it doesn't happen. That might be something to look at for chapter 3 if given the time. It's an easy in for fulfilling at least some of that craving players might have.
I'd suggest not looking at the characters here as you would in generic porn, but as if they were real people with real motivations. There's depth to all of them and what you might perceive could differ significantly from reality. Forget the stereotypes.
 

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"The orcs aren't gender traditional"?
Please tell me no one in the real world talk in this way.

EDIT: typo correct
 
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I have played CoC with Sarah ... several times now, because I was assuming that to be related to the post game remark:
"You didn't learn about witches"
How exactly does one learn about witches? The walkthrough is not exhaustive enough for that kind of detail, and I am very curious!

Just starting playing for first time, and I am filling up the save slots with favorite scenes and various play-paths. The game is a lot of fun! I signed up for the $5/month. Don't know how long I'll be subscribed, but Nottravis definitely deserved some support from me on this one. Can't wait for the next update! Thanks for making Heavy Five.
 

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I have played CoC with Sarah ... several times now, because I was assuming that to be related to the post game remark:
"You didn't learn about witches"
How exactly does one learn about witches? The walkthrough is not exhaustive enough for that kind of detail, and I am very curious!

Just starting playing for first time, and I am filling up the save slots with favorite scenes and various play-paths. The game is a lot of fun! I signed up for the $5/month. Don't know how long I'll be subscribed, but Nottravis definitely deserved some support from me on this one. Can't wait for the next update! Thanks for making Heavy Five.
Do not think was related with CoC, might be with VR though I can't remember having seen it there.
 

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I have played CoC with Sarah ... several times now, because I was assuming that to be related to the post game remark:
"You didn't learn about witches"
How exactly does one learn about witches? The walkthrough is not exhaustive enough for that kind of detail, and I am very curious!
Do not think was related with CoC, might be with VR though I can't remember having seen it there.
Neither CoC nor VR.

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I have played CoC with Sarah ... several times now, because I was assuming that to be related to the post game remark:
"You didn't learn about witches"
How exactly does one learn about witches? The walkthrough is not exhaustive enough for that kind of detail, and I am very curious!

Just starting playing for first time, and I am filling up the save slots with favorite scenes and various play-paths. The game is a lot of fun! I signed up for the $5/month. Don't know how long I'll be subscribed, but Nottravis definitely deserved some support from me on this one. Can't wait for the next update! Thanks for making Heavy Five.
It was a scene with Annie at the bar, I believe you had to use humour with her in CH1 for it to happen
Edit : Sorry Huitty for ruining your clever hints ;)
 

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LOL, It's okay, NeimadFR, I saw the clever hints first! Thanks to you both. Yeah, I think I only went barhopping as a guy and as a girl spent all my time with Sarah. Whew! This game has a lot of options! This may sound weird, but personally I consider it a testament to this game's quality that I am willing and excited to try so many of the different paths/options. With a lot of games, when the freedom gets to be so much that I need more than two or three on-going save files, I just feel overwhelmed and stop playing altogether (this is where completionist meets defeatist), but this is so fun I can actually handle putting in the work to see as much as it has to offer.
Sidenote, I also really like the layout and getting to read all the ship/mission detail briefs etc. On advisement, I waited for the reboot, so I never saw the old layout (I think I have copy saved for posterity on a drive here somewhere...), but this version is very well put together.
 

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How exactly does one learn about witches? The walkthrough is not exhaustive enough for that kind of detail, and I am very curious!
As others said, oddly this is something you won't learn with Sarah as one might expect.;) The walkthrough does cover it, but basically Neimad's advice could be enough to get there.
 
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Just starting playing for first time, and I am filling up the save slots with favorite scenes and various play-paths. The game is a lot of fun!
That pleases me enormously that you think so. My own view is that a game should be fun, or at least entertaining. I mean...that's what a game is for, right? :)

I signed up for the $5/month. Don't know how long I'll be subscribed, but Nottravis definitely deserved some support from me on this one. Can't wait for the next update! Thanks for making Heavy Five.
Thank you :) As many know, I do have a battle in respect to hardware and it all helps. I know how the game should be/look and it's starting to get there now (hence the remaster) but with a single card it can be a struggle at times.
 
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Oh! Progress updates are free to view on the Patreon page btw. I have open posts in that respect in case anyone is curious.

But the important bit is that the next release is looking like mid-August. There's a fair bit of new coding for some of the new games and interfaces and I need a ton of frames for the lewd animation (just under 3,000 for a single scene).

Take care, laters.
 

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The horror! ;)


I think you're totally on point with this one. Although, as my testers have seen, there are a lot of lewds down the line I feel they have to fit the story. Others may and can disagree ofc, but unless the scenes make sense in respect to the characters and the story then it just doesn't have any impact or meaning for me. To be fair I suspect part of the reason some people object is that they're not seeing the delay as part of the storytelling but, from experience, seeing it as being part of a process to drag out the development and do some patreon milking. Hard to blame them for that ofc. There are enough examples around. But, I digress. I'd agree the more complex relationship the more meaning and impact the sex scenes have when they happen.
Yeah that is in my opinion the difference between a natural burn that fits the characters and situation and a slow burn that is only there to delay the inevitable that has already been set up and needs weird situations and plot devices to prolong it even longer from happening or that unrealistic as hell so called stairway to heaven progression between two people that are sexual experienced.
 

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So way back when the original Chapter One was first released, I decided to wait until the female main character option was included, and... Then totally missed when it was actually released. Oops. I... Kind of feel like Sarah now.

But now that I've actually played it, it's great! The interaction between all of the characters is wonderful, there's plenty of setup to establish that Something Is Weird Here, the humor lands well, and there's plenty of minor things to find if you poke around enough. Pretty much the only thing that didn't really work for me was the CoC game, and that's both Sarah's fault (give us a real plot and tactical options, Sarah!), and extremely optional.

Here's a collection of specific points I'd like to include:

-I looked through the game files after a few playthroughs, and was pleasantly surprised by just how many minor things I'd missed, when I'd thought I'd been pretty exhaustive (as well as making me wonder how I missed the catbowl, which was very obvious once I knew it was there, and why I hadn't checked my locker that thoroughly despite clicking on everything else a few times to see what happened) - as well as just how many of those things actually came up in other contexts later, like with the drinks with Chris. That said, I kind of wish that there was more of a hint that the two were linked, since I did most of my exploration on my first playthrough, and... Drinks with Chris the second, so I didn't get an opportunity to bring the topics up.

-Your Channel 7 Parody reward for repairing the remote was hilarious! I was seriously laughing by the end of it, and kind of wish there was an expanded version to lampoon more overused porn tropes.

-I love the relationship between Flirty!Fem!PC and Annie - it strikes a great balance between the player being genuinely interested, and still being friends with her without that overshadowing the entire relationship - like her whole joke about your "cunning plan" and detour into witchland while you share drinks. Even if nothing were to ever come of it sexually, because she actually is straighter than the game would suggest, I'd still think the relationship between the two was worth pursuing.

-Conversely, the other approach the PC can take to pursue Annie is entertaining in a different way - it feels like it's going to end up either blowing up in the player's face one day in a thoroughly amusing fashion, or Annie's going to wake up with the PC in bed one day saying "Okay, that was fun, but how the hell did I end up having sex with another woman?". It's almost like you're trying to confuse her into having sex with you at points (and I don't mean that in a bad way, to be clear).

-With that said, though, it kind of feels like we enter the flirting stage a bit too early with Annie - you're pretty much interrupting her work so that you can hit on her, and it's the first time you talk to her. But, well, when's a better time? After that, it would be while she's blaming herself for her ship almost killing everyone while she gets smashed - and after that, it would be during increasingly frustrating attempts to find out what's wrong with the ship, while you're supposed to be fixing the base or dealing with the Plot. The timing feels awkward, but there's definitely not a better way to handle it that I can see.

-I genuinely felt like a total bitch on the Asshole!PC route (and that's a good thing). I don't even mean blackmailing Sarah, either (though that felt a bit like kicking a puppy) - it just felt bad going around yelling at everyone for not hopping to my whims, when they were already extremely rushed and doing their best and it was only supposed to be a two hour hop gosh darn it omg whatiswrongwithyouPC! ...Ahem. To say that more coherently; it just plain felt bad to be a petty little bitch for no good reason to all of the characters you came to like on the other routes, when they were already dealing with a rushed and stressful situation. And it's a sign of good writing, in my opinion, that the penalties for that aren't forced - you feel bad because you behaved badly, and everyone's kind of ticked at you for it.

-Conversely, I'm glad to see that there's a penalty associated with pursuing friendliness at the expense of professionalism, though I didn't notice any effects thus far - it's nice to see a game acknowledge that, yes, there's a reason that people aren't always super-casual when they go into life-threatening danger, and that it's important that they listen to their officers and not just who they like most at a given moment. Eating an ensign for breakfast isn't a bad thing, so long as you don't take it too far.

-Relatedly, while I'm a bit disappointed to see that fem!pc can't go on a spacewalk, I appreciate the attention to detail that establishes why she can't save the day - namely, that without something like that, there's absolutely no reason why Annie couldn't save the day, considering that she's the space engineer. It'd be nice for the player to save the day, but not at the expense of making the crew look incompetent.

-Though on another note, it'd be nice if fem!PC could still die for blackmailing Sarah. It might be a bit harder to explain, but you are still alone in a room with Annie; maybe she could find another way to deal with you?

-While this isn't in the game yet... I'm very much looking forward to the talk on Patreon of how we're actually going to go about fixing the base! It's honestly all to common for the main character's job to just kind of be background noise and not actually matter - it's nice to see that we're actually going to be doing some engineering here to fix things, instead of just being told "Okay, you went to work and it's evening now, what are you going to do?".

I think that's all of the broader points... So now it's time to talk about the characters specifically!

Annie

Well, on the one hand, I do love her. She's funny, she's smart, she has great chemistry with the PC, and she'll kill anyone who messes with her friends. There's a lot to like.

But... At the same time, she's a conspiracy theorist, has a drinking problem, and appears to have issues following the chain of command.

As a player, I like her, and don't care about her issues - because they don't affect me. But through the eyes of the player character, I'd be frankly worried; things are already weird on Orphion. If a person predisposed to believe weird theories were to latch on to one of those oddities as proof that something nefarious was happening, and she wasn't willing to listen people with the authority to tell her to stop, what kind of consequences could that lead to? Even off of Orphion, I could see it going someplace bad.

And an engineer with a drinking problem just sounds like an invitation to problems - going off on a bender because you almost all died is fine. Empty bottles in the cargo hold and a warning from Chris that she has a habit of this kind of thing suggests she needs to cut back.

Chris

She's... Kind of extremely perfect? I mean, what's not to love? She's an amazing pilot with a strong sense of justice who looks out for her crew, and she darned well knows that she's perfect. If she existed in real life, I'd be tempted to try out women just so that I could date her.

That said, it really looks more like she's interested in friendship and a fling than a real relationship, so I don't really know how far I want to go with her. Flings are fun, but if there's a real relationship to be found with someone else, that feels like a waste. ...Even if it is a fling with Chris.

Sarah

I... Don't actually trust her, if I'm being honest. Not since looking through the files, and noticing the Flirt route that I'd missed. Oh, not in a "She's the one who sabotaged the spaceship!" way, to be clear - just in a garden-variety "She's deliberately trying to get on your good side by any means necessary" way. Which isn't a bad thing, per se, just a "How much of this is the real Rah-Rah" way.

I mean, I thought she was just a ditz with a penchant for technology and accidental innuendo, with a poor grasp of clothing - but seeing her flirt path, you see that she absolutely does understand what she's saying. So her "accidental" innuendo in other contexts - such as when she's talking about shaving her cat for charity - she absolutely knows what she's doing. Which, hey, I've done the same thing before, playing the innocent ditz so that others can have a laugh, but... I was still putting on an act so that others would have a better time. And if she's willing to do that here, it definitely makes me think that she knew her top was slipping in the other cases.

This is further reinforced in my mind when you see that she still leaps to invite you to VR no matter how horrid you're being to her, unless you outright attempt to blackmail her. For all of the other characters, you have to at least avoid being a total bitch to them - but she's willing to put up with any degree of abuse from you.

Maybe she's just being friendly, and has absolutely terrible self-esteem - but to my eye, it looks a lot more like she's about to be drummed out, and is desperate for a higher officer to put in a good word for her. Which isn't something I blame her for; it just makes me wonder about her sincerity.

That said, I still like her well enough when she's not DMing - even if it's an act, it's a good one. I just hope that I'll be able to push her onto a Research path later - she's smart, and (to oversimplify) you only have to get things right once there. Engineering, like Annie suggests, also plays well to her strengths, but I'd worry about a catastrophic accident if she spaced at the wrong moment. Her current position... Well, it doesn't play to any of her strengths that I can see, and I wonder how she ended up there.

Dr Jones

I don't really know what to say about her, honestly. She shows up, she dumps a big ton of personal drama on us, then disappears until Chapter 3 (I assume). I'd say I wonder which of them is more to blame, but I really don't - that's their problem to work out, so long as it doesn't affect anyone else.

Dr Jones

We really got off on the wrong foot. Not horribly so, but in definite "If our next interaction doesn't go better, I'll start to dislike you" territory. First he dumps a ton of personal drama onto us, then he's very insistent about our need for contraception (even if it is regulations, you don't have to be a dick about it!), then he blows off everyone else's research to brag about his own (which is admittedly impressive)... He's reallly not showing off any of his good points here. Except for being good at his job, which is appreciated.

But hey, he's not actually a bad guy or anything - he's willing to joke around a bit, and seems to have a conscience, so I get the impression that we can get along well enough so long as we're not talking about his colleagues. Just, a bit of a rough first day.

Though, it was totally fun to tell him that I thought it would be a fine idea to round up some ensigns to hunt Orphions for the good of humanity. Even on a non-total-bitch run I might be tempted to do that, just to be amused by his reaction (which should probably be a bigger affection hit, by the way).

Mike

I'm reminded of a puppy. A big, stupid puppy. I'm not entirely certain why - just because he seems befuddled by the current problem doesn't mean he's an idiot, and the other signs that he's not that great at his job aren't massive red flags either. Maybe the plant's just not having any other major issues, and that's why the cabinet is bare - and maybe the power logs are a "throw your hands up in the air and look at anything else that could be the cause!" kind of situation. Really, there's no strong reason for me to think he's an idiot.

Just... Something about him comes across as not very bright. And combined with his respect for you and your talent, just makes you think "puppy", at least for me.

Well, he's hot enough at least, so I could imagine a fling with him. I'm not really into dumb guys, though, so I kind of hope he's either brighter than he first appears, or that I have more options than him...

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And with the last of the characters discussed, I'd also like to bring up a theory, though it may appear insane at first glance.

First, that after playing CoC with Sarah, it is now my official headcanon that the Gloria series of books actually are bona-fide masterpieces, filled with complexity and conflict - and that Sarah is just absolutely horrible at describing anything that happens in them, especially when it doesn't involve orcs.

"Tensions have always been high between the Empire and the Orcish warbands that surround them - especially as the Empire's power wanes, wasted on conflict between the petty lords who hope to ascend the vacant Velvet Throne. The Orcish Warbands still remember the old genocides, and the humiliating demands for Orcish women as tribute; now, with the outlying towns abandoned by their once-protectors, they can do little to stop a new generation eager for revenge from claiming what they believe is due, even if they worry about the Empire's fury if it can once again unify under a strong leader"...Just ends up becoming "Gloria slaughtered a bunch of orcs after they pillaged a town! Isn't that so cool!?".

What I'm basing this on? Poor little Rah-Rah might be brill when it comes to technical matters, but she obviously needs a bit of help when it comes to describing other things - and she's not the only one to enjoy this series, so it's presumably at least a little bit better than she makes it sound.
 
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