You have to be devoid of reason to willfully get married in the modern world.
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The marriage is by far worst.
Another
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from Notty... To make it short, she's re-wired chapters One and Two with the new GUI and after some more testing, the new chapter One will be released. She wants to make sure EVERYTHING works out well in each chapter before releasing chapter Five.And when that is done, there will be the next news to explain why it will take again "a little" longer. Since this developer started redoing everything over and over again, the game is screwed. It's been over a year since the last update, and that was also just a remaster.
This game started out on a really positive track, but in the meantime the whole thing is just ridiculous. One can only hope that Notty will create actual content again someday and get out of this perfection mania.
And as usual, every time she does that, the quality goes up by leaps and bounds. It's stunning, really, almost looks like a AAA game in some respects now.
The problem is that even the best quality has no value if a project dies unfinished. It is important to keep a project within an at least halfway realistic time frame in order to keep this risk manageable.
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The thing is those of us that interact with Notty or even work with her in some capacity are confident that it will get finished. There is no such thing as "realistic time frame" in game development. Some AAA games take 5 to 8 years to be made. Granted this is an Indie game but it is on the upper scale of the Indies imho. The half-assed games that keep popping up and get finished within a year are the ones setting unrealistic time frames for those aiming for quality.
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Oh but she did. The chapter five is near to be finished, while the chapter one extra content, and it will be the same for the chapter two to four. But there will be no obligation to restart a game. Her rework isn't purely some tweak here and there. She wasn't satisfied with the way she introduced the chapters, and with the tutorials, because all this was out of the story. So she redid all this, making everything parts of the story.
Is Notty perfectionist ? Yes. Is it a problem ? Well, at short terms yes, undoubtedly. But she don't think at short terms, she think about the game as a whole entity. And from this point of view, her perfectionism is a benefit ; but of course not totally for those who play the game update after update.
And, must not be forgotten that, unlike way to many devs, she pause the pledges while she's doing this. Over the year since the last update, she earned money for less than a third of this time if I'm counting right. She also have her game planed and the script's draft wrote til the end of the story, what is also something relatively rare in the scene.
Nop, the last update was the never released before chapter four.
- Dec 26, 2018
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Indie games are usually made by one person, like this one. In her free time. Often with rudimentary equipment, often with zero initial experience (like Nottravis). The SHTF can come in at any time. Accident, illness, personal problems, etc. So there is no point in talking about a realistic timeframe.
The rights to the game are owned by the developers. Only they know the scripts. They cannot be sanctioned. We can't say that the game must be ready within X months, otherwise... Otherwise what? Will we look at them badly?
If you're a patreon, you can stop the subsidy, but that's it.
Regardless of what you believe, we are not fanatics. I have repeatedly asked Notty, privately and publicly, to drop the perfectionism. Stop fixing what is not broken. (And I wasn't the only one.) But that's how she is. She will finish the game, with or without us. With or without support.
I support her. (I would support her if she accepted.) If someone doesn't like it, it's not my problem.
- Sep 26, 2020
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how this don't have abandoned tag?? it's been 2 years now...
- Sep 26, 2020
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agreed..i really on't know why som,e dev must redo their gam isnteads of developing the story and go on...all these reworks ends in game abandoned..msot of the times or really absurd dev time
- Sep 26, 2020
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stopping useless reworking and redo things that works?
It's certainly unusual to be "remastering" the game before even completing it.
For almost 2k a month in support, I'd expect more progress. These delays are absurd.
- Jun 17, 2019
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Here we go again...
It's been 1 year and 5 months since the last release (September 12, 2021), not 2 years. For about 4 of those months, she hasn't been working in the game at full throttle as she suffered a nasty car accident,
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which of course you may or may not believe. However, facts are that dev's current support
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, not 2k; and she has paused pledges for the last 10 months in a row anyway (basically since the alleged accident) so she's not getting anything near that, only the initial pledge from those new patrons that have signed in since April 1, 2022. There's a net gain of 18 supporters in the meantime (from 218 to 230 as of yesterday), although there are daily variations so let's say she might have cashed in around 150 single pledges in 10 months? Feel free to do the exact math using graphtreon data but I'd suspect she has received not even a month-worth of regular pledges in the whole period. And, according to her
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, we'll get the 4 reworked chapters plus the brand new chapter 5 in a 6-8 weeks span starting any moment now.People are entitled to their opinion about the whole thing, I'd just wish you didn't use inaccurate data to justify yours unless, of course, your intention was an ill one from the get-go. Not modulating your views after seeing these simple true facts would make you look like a proper troll who just likes to spread fake info about devs you don't like or agree with. So, are you guys adult and rational people, or basic internet trolls?
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Erm... I'm as eager for the next chapter as anyone, but I would never dream of complaining about delays for a game that's FREE, and at LOT of work. And that's without considering any other issues that might delay it. The developers of these games owe us NOTHING, least of all any explanations for delays. If they provide them, it's as a courtesy. We can at least try to be as courteous ourselves.
It is simply wrong to say that this game is free. Just consider, for example that even if the payments are currently suspended, a lot of people have given money to support the development in the past.
Also, And no matter whether you have given money or not, criticism in itself is not bound to being a customer. It doesn't matter on which level, whether it's AAA criticized by a game magazine that often gets the game copy for free but still has to write something honest, or here in crowd founding, where a developer is asking for the support of the community and people should openly express their opinion, so that a group dynamic for the evaluation of the performance of the developer is enabled. Considering how many projects fail within crowd finding, i thnik, this is something that is more than necessary.
Ultimately, everyone's goal is to actually see a project finished. And if a developer becomes lost in perfectionism, and thus the completion becomes increasingly unlikely, it is better to critically question whether everything is really going right. No matter if you can give money or not. As long as you don't get insulting, and try to be fair, criticism is something that makes sense. Only if there is honest feedback, one can correct mistakes that one does not see oneself.
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17 months since last "GAME" update, looks abandoned and dev is just stringing along patreons for money.
Dev has 16 days to update the game or the abandoned tag goes up.
Dev has 16 days to update the game or the abandoned tag goes up.
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Are you among those persons ?
I bet that the answer is no, therefore for you the game is free and all your argumentation is pure bullshit. But anyway, even if you had spent half a buck on the game, your argumentation would still be flawed.
Like anyone who never pledged for a game before, you imagine Patreon as a subscription platform that it isn't and never was. It's a patronage/sponsorship platform. You like what someone is doing, and give her/him few bucks to help her/him be able to continue. The vast majority, if not all, Patreon accounts have a low tier where all you do is giving money. You give the money, and still you only have access to the public release, that is never the last update.
How does this fit in your narrative ? Those people willingly spare a buck or two monthly, knowing that they'll get the game at the exact same time than everyone who don't give a cent and just come to the Patreon page time to time. And they are doing it because they want to. It's shocking I know, but Notty don't pay hitmen to run across the world, putting a gun on your head to force you to pledge for her game.
Well, to be honest and fair, they get the game before those who just check the Patreon page, because they all come from here. This low tier is for people who don't really have spare money, but still appreciate the game they are pirating, and want to make a symbolic gesture. But since they already get the game, they could perfectly not pledge, it would change absolutely nothing for them.
Of course, they also have access to what Notty is saying but, well, globally what she's saying end here anyway. So yeah, they pay for nothing, and they are doing it willingly... And unlike you, who don't spent a single buck on the game, they aren't complaining about the delay, strange, isn't it ? I mean, if someone have the right to complain, it's them more than anyone else. They are giving money against nothing, and get even less than nothing... Yet apparently they are more fine with this, than you who don't spend money at all...
Of course, you don't need to be a customer to critic something. But when you complain while not being a customer, don't be surprised when people see what you say as nothing more than an angry rant made by a barely pubescent spoiled brat.
I can complain that Sephora is over pricing, but what would be my legitimacy ? How could I be credible while I don't even need what they are selling ? I'm not some expert or authority in cosmetic and perfume price and quality. I know shit about all this and my complaint would just be as ridiculous as your constant rants.
Oh, so you are the authority in terms of game development and cost. My excuses, the mail warning me about this must have been put in the spam folder by error. Or perhaps are you telling us that you are payed to give your opinion on a piracy internet forum ? If it's the case, do they hire ? Asking for a friend.
Seriously, do you think before you write ? Do you read what you write ? How can you dare to compare you, a nobody on an internet forum, to a journalist giving his opinion on a game because it's his job ? Unlike you, who hide behind a pseudonym and held no responsibility for what you say, a journalist write on his name and his responsible for every word he write. Every time he write a critic, he engage his credibility and his future. You, you just waste your time trying to feel important, and yet you believe that the two can be compared, that the two are the same thing ? Pathetic...
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Stuff has been released for Patrons; it just hasn't found its way here.
No payments taken in 10 months (technically 11 as March has been paused too!)
The aboned tag doesn't matter, it'll be removed just as quickly when the update is released.