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Just read this (attentively) and everything will fall into place. The game has already been taken apart, analyzed and put back together. Don't thank me.
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You only play one path that's your issue. All very obvious on the good path. However, even then, there are so many points that show/allude to Olivia knowing pretty much everything.
To reiterate another important part of that excellent post (which he did not mention surprisingly enough). deathbed:
Alexander: "Fooled even me, much more brilliant than even I, though you keep it hidden."
So look at this logically (not fuelled with halucinigens). Not Astrid (she will despise him, plus shortly after ashe went into cryo for her health, plus, she is brilliant). His words neither resonate with either Dominique...nor Veronica, who we all know (and Alexander certainly knew) are both brilliant. That leaves Olivia, Alessa and Jules. Jules hates him, with a passion. That leaves 2. Do we really think Alessa is that brilliant and if so, capable of disguising it? Smart undoubtedly...but more brilliant than even Alexander himself? I'd be surprised...
That leaves one person...who also has to have spent time with him....
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Most of what he said was either already obvious in Ep. 7, or wrong with Ep. 8 (like he an I predicting that the two masked-robed "servants" were Alexander's sisters, but now we know that's not true).
If you're talking about Agent Olivia? Bullshit. Veronica and Yvette BOTH see through Olivia's Ep. 7 bluffs. My 4 siblings and I all have natural acting talent, but while that can be brought into a prepared scene very easily, it's not something you can live every moment of your life on, otherwise we wouldn't be such introverted unpopulars and people wouldn't be so stunned every time someone new discovers our acting abilities. Plus if Olivia knows about the Gambit before walking in the door, then she would have been laying the groundwork with Kane at least as much, if not more so, than what Elena has been doing. And why wait over a day (Olivia's parentage is public on Day 6, Olivia doesn't proposition Kane until Day 8), risking one of her competitors to sink their hooks into him and stealing her victory away? No, she's clearly neither motivated, nor vicious, enough to already know what's at stake, especially a Good Olivia who is always saying how unsure of herself she is. ... Either that or she does know but doesn't actually want to win.
Callista's curriculum for both Kane and Olivia is extensive, and Alexander Karlsson is Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Charles Schwab all wrapped up into one entity, so of course their studies would involve him. Furthermore, Olivia states that her training included analyzing those around her, and using them to her advantage, so her applying her indoctrinated skills to THE most powerful/famous man in the world is merely second-nature.
EDIT: Another thing just hit me: How many times does Olivia say TO HERSELF "Wow, this is so much more money than I could have imagined/this is so far removed from my motel" Meaning: She was NOT expecting all of this.
WHO says Dominique is brilliant? Cole likes her, but Alexander doesn't listen to him, and considering how he treats "good" people, Alexander would certainly overlook her, especially since everyone but Veronica ostracizes her, and calls her plant project foolish. Veronica, and Alessandra are known geniuses (Ep. 1, Kane's research, first thing we learn about them), and Astrid's genius is known within KG. Juliette is very easily hoodwinked and has no intuition of her own, so clearly she's your typical blonde bimbo.
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The problem with Olivia as the secret sister is that in seven chapters there's not one piece of evidence that puts her on the island when he died. Hell there's not any evidence she was on the island prior to the events of this story. Most we got is that she knew she was going to the island prior to being taken there.
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And who is saying Alexander was even on the Island himself?...
I'll put this another way: Temple hike scene. A lot of people mistake it...but it's 'Kane who visits' Olivia...not the other way around. Pretty sure Callista would never allow either to go to the island (which as far as I'm aware, the entire island is private property and Karlsson owned.. They were on the mainland...and Olivia was on the mainland when she presumably spent time with Alexander. He'd never keep her hidden for so long if they were literally right under Veronica's noses. I think was close to Callista's hill (because Alexander built that temple...it's less than 20 years old...not ancient at all).
Would it be so unusual for Alexander to be on the mainland when he died? Or more importantly perhaps, somewhere named after his beloved Callista? We also know Kane was nowhere near the island...because he had a 6+ hour plane trip to get there....
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Tip… for Kiyomi to open the door to Cole Freely, you must have the flag, “Kiyomidoor” activated… you will see the ramifications of your choices with Kiyomi/Otto/Cole early in part2… Side Note- *This won’t affect Delilah’s route for both Sub and Dom* (for those who are interested in her character) Important note - this might matter how Kiyomi views Olivia a little just a tad etc (Spoilers for episode 8 part2)
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If the owner of the island went to the mainland to die, feels like a bigger deal would've been made of it or that somebody would've mentioned it. I cant eliminate the possibility, but it still feels unlikely.And who is saying Alexander was even on the Island himself?...
I'll put this another way: Temple hike scene. A lot of people mistake it...but it's 'Kane who visits' Olivia...not the other way around. Pretty sure Callista would never allow either to go to the island (which as far as I'm aware, the entire island is private property and Karlsson owned.. They were on the mainland...and Olivia was on the mainland when she presumably spent time with Alexander. He'd never keep her hidden for so long if they were literally right under Veronica's noses. I think was close to Callista's hill (because Alexander built that temple...it's less than 20 years old...not ancient at all).
Would it be so unusual for Alexander to be on the mainland when he died? Or more importantly perhaps, somewhere named after his beloved Callista? We also know Kane was nowhere near the island...because he had a 6+ hour plane trip to get there....
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He may not have gone there 'to die'...could have had a heart attack...anything. Wild speculation yes, but nothing in the story we have been told so far suggested he was 'ill'...
Unless he was hiding his condition, which from what we do know about him, is probably the kind of shit he'd likely do just to send his daughters into a frantic spin lol. Seems like his kinda vibe.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that flags sets a potential relationship with Olivia (need to fuckseth and be subkane). Nothing to do with Cole, unless it also triggers a scene in v.08?
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No offense, but your arguments sound unconvincing to me. So I'm still sticking to this theory about Agent Olivia until proven otherwise. (waiting for the final version of Ep8 pt1)
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The problem there is how Tess has written this and you are not the first to bring it up (or be knocked down either....sorry). Yes she does, because we are seeing her internal riddle and ruse thoughts. Why Tess decided to do that...don't know.
That however does not diminish her internal thoughts where she shows and proves she knows more than she is letting on. Yet you still want to deny this very critical, very non fantastical and very factual information. Or are you now going to say Olivia is a paranoid schizophrenic, delusional and suffering a mental breakdown to justify it?
So therefore, I'm just going to ignore your rambling fantasy thoughts from now on because nearly eveything you have said today, just exists inside your own head (where I'm sure it makes perfect sense to you). The fact you have failed to actually answer, straight, without more wild unbased theories, any of my questions...is very telling to me.
I'll leave with you this extra lil thing..no idea why Veronica would think this..or why Tess wrote it...
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Okay, so let me get this theory right:
1) Knowing nothing of Olivia's character or personality, Alexander forces Callista to raise her.
2) Either as a toddler, or later in her childhood, despite Alexander's explicit instructions to hid Olivia from Elena, and the rest of KG, he is having regular visits and training sessions with her, and absolutely no one knows of her existence.
3) Veronica starts surveilling the Jacobs family after her encounter with Kane in the park.
4) Meanwhile [Ep. 8 spoilers] Alexander trusts Veronica with his "most critical secrets".
5) Good perfect Astrid stands up to Alexander, is attacked, and then hunted, but Veronica finds her first and hides her, and then blackmails Alexander and the Board to forget about Astrid, else she will remove the shock controls from the KG slaves.
6) Despite having spent the least amount of time with Olivia, she becomes Alexander's favorite to inherit his empire, and despite having no way to test her intellect he realizes that she is more intelligent than he is.
7) Rather than just declare Olivia the heir, Alexander makes a sham Gambit for the 4 sisters to compete ( Veronica is dq'd because of her betrayal, so she is given the public reins to run the Gambit), even though only 1 can win due to where Callista is placed in the game.
8) Despite Callista's crucial part in the game, and the fact that Olivia knows Callista staged her death, Callista has to fool the world that she's dead. Why? From whom? She knows too much about the Gambit, and is effectively running it for her intended audience to be Alexander.
9) Alexander somehow sneaks Olivia into his room, in plain sight of Doctor Clarke, but again completely undetected by anyone else from KG.
10) Alexander then lies that Olivia's sisters have a chance at winning, as she's the only one who has actually been trained for the Gambit, the rest just learned about it recently, or will learn about it after Alexander's death.
11) Alexander also warns Olivia to "watch out for my remaining lovers" even though that includes both Olivia's birth and adopted mother, who both want her to win.
12) He orders Olivia to test Kane, even though she actually has little infuence over his program (unlike Veronica running everything, Dominique writing his training program, Juliette making the 3rd Sponsor/Manager training). As Warden, all of her actions are spoon-fed to her.
13) Despite Olivia and Callista preparing all of Olivia's life for the Gambit, and both having full control of Kane, they never test him earlier as a child or young adult to see if he is worthy.
14) With Alexander dead, Veronica takes charge of the "Gambit", following Callista's orders, and the pair set off to ensure Olivia's victory.
15) Olivia is such a good actress that she is able to fool her own mind into thinking that all of this is such a rapid shock as she "learns" about KG and her "new position". However this "great actress" can't fool Yvette or Veronica that Elena hasn't been telling her more than she's supposed to be.
16) With Alexander's will for Olivia to win, Callista and Veronica making it happen, Olivia receiving years of training and foreknowledge of the Gambit plan, including Operation Grandson, and naturally Elena joining the parade, alongside Yvette following Veronica, then the Gambit is finished before it began, as Juliette has also bowed out of the race, and Alessandra publically supports Olivia. Dominique remains the only Board member hoping to compete, but neither she, nor any of the Board members can win.
17) Somehow "Kane is the key" to winning the Gambit, but with a landslide Board majority any contribution of his is rendered moot.
18) Neither Callista nor Olivia ever indicate to Kane that Olivia is not his true sister.
19) Alexander's entire plan for Olivia to win the Gambit and complete Operation Grandson hinges on the SLIM chance that Kane doesn't scream "incest by adoption and social/psychological relation" and refuses Olivia.
Did I miss anything?
Let me say it again: ELENA IS A CHEATING BITCH THAT HAS BEEN LEAKING INFORMATION TO OLIVIA, AGAINST COMPANY ORDERS, AND TELLING HER TO LIE ABOUT IT. See Episode 5 and 7. ... Can you tell that I loathe the witch?
Show me proof that Olivia had information prior to her meeting Elena on the pier, or that she could not have learned from Elena, and that a Karlsson Group outsider could not have researched or deduced prior to her "abduction", and that she has not learned simply by being in the Karlsson Group.
Show me a screenshot that she knows about the Gambit before Ep. 8.
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Yes the flag sets a potential relationship with olivia (but also "choice opens possible door for later scenes" from the WT ), but the Cole Scene in Ep. 8 has 2 variants, depending on the flag kyiomidoor. (tried without to much spoilers)
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I always love agent Olivia theory.
Imagine if she is even playing Elena too and had already known. She would've had to act surprised when Elena told her, and then acted like a girl that just found out about her mother when she entered that board meeting considering Yvette instantly knew Elena had told her.
Imagine if she is even playing Elena too and had already known. She would've had to act surprised when Elena told her, and then acted like a girl that just found out about her mother when she entered that board meeting considering Yvette instantly knew Elena had told her.
Ooooh.. good to know. Only one of my saves got that 2nd scene, and I thought it was from Kane accepting Dominique and Juliette's deal. Makes sense that it was my only playthrough that got it now because it's the only playthrough where Kane and Olivia were trying to screw the other over.
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Ahhh excellent. Spoilers never bother me personally so good to know.
Well..IIRC...at the pier...Olivia almost lets slip and says words to the effect of, good to finally have you in my life...(may have been in the limo scene when they stop).I always love agent Olivia theory.
Imagine if she is even playing Elena too and had already known. She would've had to act surprised when Elena told her, and then acted like a girl that just found out about her mother when she entered that board meeting considering Yvette instantly knew Elena had told her.
Finally....finally....heh....I think she is more than well aware Elena was her mother, because Callista told her. When she was telling her about Callista saying there will be one person you can trust (already effectively telling Elena she does actually, indeed know more than she was letting on) I think she was just leading her on a bit there to open up more.
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"kiyomidoor" only requirement is that Olivia is on the evil or neutral police path. Nobody has to screw anyone over, it has nothig to do with Kane screwing Olivia over. Which pissed me personally off, becaue on my good run, i never were on the police path , because u get morality points fpr declining it first. Which opens the neutral police, which i didnt do on my good playthrough so i had to play again or because its just a test version to cheeat....
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I do wonder what will be the consequences if olivia goes kill happy.
She scares the shit out of julia if she kills pink hair and Kiyomi isn't a fan of her killing the homeless people. I wounder what will happen in the future
She scares the shit out of julia if she kills pink hair and Kiyomi isn't a fan of her killing the homeless people. I wounder what will happen in the future
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So much has been written on the last day here that a library could be opened .
I want to add something that has not been said about who the sister is at the beginning of Alexander's deathbed. I play with the sound very loud and Tess delights us in that scene with a very wicked and very young giggle. I think it's the only moment where there's audio other than music and we hear a voice tone.
I thought the giggle was Juliette's or Alessandra's (the youngest of the sisters), the others are more mature, so I'm ruling them out, but if the theory that it's Olivia is true, then she's the devil reincarnated. Not only does she fool almost everyone, but that giggle still gives me the creeps (like those possessed doll movies), plus the father just died, so it has to be the giggle of the most soulless sister of them all.
.I want to add something that has not been said about who the sister is at the beginning of Alexander's deathbed. I play with the sound very loud and Tess delights us in that scene with a very wicked and very young giggle. I think it's the only moment where there's audio other than music and we hear a voice tone.
I thought the giggle was Juliette's or Alessandra's (the youngest of the sisters), the others are more mature, so I'm ruling them out, but if the theory that it's Olivia is true, then she's the devil reincarnated. Not only does she fool almost everyone, but that giggle still gives me the creeps (like those possessed doll movies), plus the father just died, so it has to be the giggle of the most soulless sister of them all
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Yeah, but if you want them to screw each other over, Olivia would tell Kiyomi to treat Kane unfairly. So you wouldn't get Kiyomidoor that way.
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