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Take the same view with the anti-ntr squad, pander to them and they complain even harder because now they know they get something by complaining. Only thing that satisfies them is to travel back in time and never do the offending act to begin with.
I didn't change anything based on complaints. I didn't change anything at all. I designed it, to begin with, to satisfy both camps of players. Little did I know how desperately some people want to avoid even the merest mention of other people having sex. The scenario I created was designed to give those who dislike NTR something to make them feel really good about the whole thing because of how the scene develops if they interrupt it, but I suspect almost every single complaint in this thread comes from people who haven't even tried playing the scene yet. They just see people mention "NTR" and go on the defensive immediately. That's not constructive.
 

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I was done with update but i wanted to check the thread to ask a question about the game and what i find is people still complaing about that scene.
Goddamn im one of those people that hate ntr (not voyeurism cause its not the same, how can people thinks that?) but the scene in the game is not that tragic!
If your not into that you stop her, and she even explain very well why she acting like this. I admit i did not watched the scene where i dont become the ''shyny armor knight'' but seriusly if you are not into ntr you can prevent the scene and any other event related unless you, as a player, decided to take the ntr path.

For the dev, are you planning on different angles/pose during the sex scenes? Or you prefer to having the ''first ride'' with the girl on top with every character? Not complaining tho the genitalia are very nice looking, just wondering out of curiosity.
 

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For the dev, are you planning on different angles/pose during the sex scenes? Or you prefer to having the ''first ride'' with the girl on top with every girl? Not complaining tho the genitalia are very nice looking, just wondering out of curiosity.
It'll be on a case-by-case basis, and I'm also very likely to go back and expand existing scenes with more angles/options like I did with Samarra's sex scene. I'm a bit bothered that both full-blown sex scenes in the game right now are in the cowgirl position, but anything else didn't feel right for the mood and setting of those scenes. I'm really focused on making the next scene use different positions, because I share your concern about it becoming a bit predictable.

It's surprisingly tricky getting first-person sex to look good, I've discovered. Something like the missionary position doesn't work at all, to use a basic example. I'm probably going to use a mix of first-person and third-person perspectives for the trickier positions, but the default will always be first-person.
 
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It's surprisingly tricky getting first-person sex to look good, I've discovered. Something like the missionary position doesn't work at all, to use a basic example. I'm probably going to use a mix of first-person and third-person perspectives for the trickier positions, but the default will always be first-person.
I'm not a programmer im gonna take the product as it comes and if keeps being that way im gonna enjoy it haha.

One last thing, i was playing the game with my fiancé yesterday and she pointed out that the MC is ''normal size'' if u make a comparison with other games. Since the game is magic based we were talking about the possibility of a ''giant dickus'' type of spell but then she suggested something far more interesting in my opinion:

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One last thing, i was playing the game with my fiancé yesterday and she pointed out that the MC is ''normal size'' if u make a comparison with other games.
It's funny that you use quotes are "normal size" because the MC is actually quite well endowed if you compare him to the average male in real life. I had to extend the size beyond the limits of the normal tools in Daz to make it look "right," but that's only because of comparisons to other games and to porn in general. I did want to make his penis look somewhat realistic, at least. The size you see in other games breaks all immersion for me in most cases.

I'll keep your idea for a Belle scene in mind. Who knows what crazy shenanigans she'll be up to in the future? ;)
 

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It's funny that you use quotes are "normal size" because the MC is actually quite well endowed if you compare him to the average male in real life.
I used the quotation mark on purpose. I know how easy this games can end up being absurd when it comes to MC genitalia. Most of the times are between ''Pornstar'' level and ''A thing that should kill if you stick it inside a woman'' (looking at you Dmd/DoD/etc).
The only reason i wanted to put that argument to your attention is becuase considering the non human aspect of some of the character (mainly belle tho) is not completely unreasonable to let their anatomy being more ''flexible''. And to be fair my personal kink about light bulge in sex scenes.
With that said i'm out for work, have a nice day, can't wait to see what comes in the next update.
 
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Also, Belle implies that the other pixies are lesbian, though that may just be her bitterness shining through.
Too bad there isn't a spell that alters the target's sexual orientation, huh? ;)
I'm not up on my mythical creatures like @Belle is so I don't know if there is a male only species for the pixies to have fun with.
Well, satyrs and centaurs are usually depicted as male; however, there is a certain size disparity to factor in if we're discussing pixies. While lares were predominately depicted as female in Etruscan art, they were almost exclusively male in later Roman depictions.
Uh, one more thing: the player says that the prietress "prefers the dungeons". Are you hinting at some femdom there, or am I just delusional?
I suspect that will be where we learn the next level of perversity.
Impossible.
I live in a bunker.
She's using her pixie magic to spy through your monitor. It's square, it's glass, it's basically a window.
if you want a thread to go soaring you need to add the threat of NTR, always works
You and your big mouth. :evilupset:
It's conspiracy time!
When samara kicked Dickon, she said she used her body, since it's a part of her. Does that mean Dickon could use a spell to knock her down or entangle her. After all magic is a part of Dickon, and by samara's rules it should be ok
I imagine that's the general idea--something like a paralysis spell would be an obvious choice although the disorientation resulting from Remove Inhibitions would probably also do the trick.
You know you've had too much internet when someone tries to bring science up with regards to a fantasy game, especially when that science tries to tell people what they can and can't be.....
Hey! I'm constantly bringing up history and linguistics. You got a problem with that, bro? :eek:penedeyewink:
At least his birthday is not 29th :biggrin:
Better than February 30. Of course, nobody's old enough for that to be their birthday anymore.
is there a walkthrough for this game
@Augustus Commodus we need you for help with a 100% walkthrough please kind sir!
when will the updated walkthrough come out?
Hi, my last game was on the 0.4 and when i want to continue i see that the walkthrough 0.5 tell me nothing about what i must do a this moment and when i recreate a game i've directly a problem with the walkthrough day 2 ... is just me or the game have random event now ?
don't know if anyone else noticed (lazy day not re-reading previous posts) but the walky has things on day 2 and 3 that are not possible when starting new game. sis not there at home afternoon day 2 and courage training where???day 3
tried following walkthrough but started new game your sister is not in the room on day 2 and cant train courage on day 3 like the walkthrough says. any help with that? @Belle
are there any updated walkthrough? I tried to follow the one on first page and all of evelyn event seem to be out of sync
Well shit. I need help guys. 0.5 walkthrough says that I should be able to upgrade my courage on the 3rd day if I go to the town hall (after first confrontation with sis). There's no option for it after I looked in the stables, training ground (upper and lower). Is there something I'm missing? Plz help.
Long live the princess 0.6 walkthrough Plz
Release a walkthrough for the 0.6 version please!
The first post of the thread has been updated with the walkthrough for the current version of the game. Evelyn's schedule changed dramatically this update, so events have been significantly rearranged.
I think something liike a list of scenes would be better than a walkthrough in a game like this. Maybe with some tips on how to get any of the harder ones to find.
I used to think as you do; however, after explaining a dozen times exactly how to obtain how to obtain Callie's panties and the variables involved, people were still having difficulty; hence the step-by-step guide.
I played like 20 min and there are already 2 things which annoy me and I want to mention it cuz i think it s important. I hope it won t bother you.. There are some anachronisms like the thong the library girl is wearing... and also the fact Belle talks about racism which is not a concept which exists during Middle Ages..
Don't let it bother you. I wrote a lengthy post to my patrons back at the beginning of this project explaining the whole underwear thing. Basically, I went with somewhat more modern underwear because limiting all the girls to realistic medieval underwear would frankly be a little boring and not all that sexy. It's a fantasy setting anyway, so it doesn't have to be that realistic. I mean, look at something like Game of Thrones (or A Song of Ice and Fire, if you prefer). Aspects of that setting, such as their level of medicine, are also extremely anachronistic, but that's okay because it supports the story they try to tell. Also, the whole underwear thing is going to come back as part of the plot at some point. There is more to it. :)
Thank s for this fast reply. I understand your point of view but I still would have prefered it without those voluntary anachronisms. It s just my opinion but I think it breaks the immersion, and I also think a middle Ages panties can be arousing : sometimes the less you show, the more you imagine and the more it s exciting ;)
My 2 cents about this is, Its a porn game not a history game, and middle age panties are kinda a boner killer
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um if you are familiar with the illuminated 15ht century French Book of Hours there is a picture which shows peasants warming themselves by a fire and the woman (who has her dress pulled up) clearly has no medieval panties. yes porn in a prayer book
Modern day panties in a medieval enviroment take away from the fantasy, and that is an even greater boner killer. Don't listen to him Belle!
As has been pointed out, women generally didn't wear panties doing the Middle Ages, so I actually think a realistic portrayal--woman going commando--to be kind of hot. In fact, underwear was seen as a sign of dominance of the household. The expression, "who wears the pants in the family," originally referred to the underpants. Medieval artwork will sometimes show a couple struggling over a pair of underwear, signifying the struggle for dominance within the marriage. All that being said, there was the Medieval equivalent to lingerie that has been discovered, and it looks remarkably like a modern string bikini, which I also think would look pretty hot although such items would likely have been luxury items reserved for the nobility; therefore, Medieval underwear, when worn, was very much like modern underwear although there probably weren't any thongs or g-strings. The most unrealistic thing about underwear in this game is the use of elastic. They didn't have that material back then; hence, all underwear would have been secured with strings or ties.
Funny name Dick on
Seriously that my only complain XD
Dickon, like Dick, is an actually nickname for Richard. King Richard III was referred to as Dickon. As funny as some might find the name, it's perfectly legitimate.
But a .6 update without MC getting anything new beyond checking out Evelyn's naughty bits while under a spell, that we have already molested in .5, is a bit of a dud.
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Played the update and all i will say is that 0.6 has got me really worried about this game.
I feel the opposite--a branching story and choices with consequences--what's not to love. This game has always screamed, "potential," but now I'm really starting to get hyped. :eazyHype: To each their own, I guess.
Also, by admitting my feelings for Evelyn BEFORE breaking things up between her and Thaddeus, I never got the sex scene with her, and thus she stuck around. This is probably unintended, as it sounds like you meant that piece of dialogue to be the trigger for Evelyn leaving. At least in the current version.
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Lastly, if someone/anyone could tell me how to reveal Evelyn's Large Secret (using one of those little "Spoiler" boxes)- it would greatly be appreciated. I don't know why, but I'm can't seem to figure that one out or I'm still missing a clue or something. I have the Researched Book and the Symbol, but I cannot find anything else anywhere else... Also, if you could tell me how to make those little "Spoiler" boxes that would be awesome too.
There is a walkthrough to the current version of the game in the first post of the thread. The solution to Evelyn's Large Secret is therein. As for the spoiler boxes, you start it by writing "spoiler" and end it by writing "/spoiler" with whatever you want covered in between, only replace the quotes with brackets, [word].
Hahaha, that's ridiculous. Haha. Ha.

*sends a kill squad to zazzaro's home*
Zazzaro, you bet hang up a bunch of bug zappers around your house pronto! The pixies are coming for you.
Yeah stopping it DEAD the first time its seen is what Belle expects people to do btw...

You should really put a bigass fucking NTR warning on those 'options' you've listed in your walkthrough...
You mean the section in bold in the introduction? Also, there is zero netorare in this game because Evelyn is not in a relationship with Dickon; hence, there is no infidelity involved. There is netori with the married woman sucking Dickon off in the tailor shop, but I doubt you complained about the actual NTR in the game. Also, I don't know what Belle may have told you in a private message, but what Belle said in the thread was:
That scene (or rather, those scenes) doesn't cover a fetish I'm particularly interested in myself, so I'm not going to go out of my way to include stuff like that in the future. It is part of this update because it was the only logical path for the story to take at this juncture.

I use the choices made by the player at the start of scenes like this to shape the story. If the player goes along with the scene, then that aspect of the story is strengthened since I assume the player is into it. If the player doesn't go along with it, then that aspect is eliminated altogether because I know the player doesn't want any part of that kind of thing, and I instead build up the aspects that I expect such players to enjoy.
You can do whatever you want in your game, and I'll happily tell you what variables you need for what if it will help you, but the design philosophy of the walkthrough, as stated at the very beginning, is to display the most content possible in the least time possible. If you do not wish to follow my walkthrough, you are certainly free to make your own.
I would probably make the assumption with your walkthrough that players don't want to let Thaddeus do anything at all with her. Not only is that safer considering the discussions in this thread, but there are also other consequences that could come back and cause problems (minor ones most likely, but problems nonetheless) in later versions for those wishing to take the romance route.
Please excuse me if this comes across as rude, and it certainly isn't directed @Belle, but, after reading through the last score pages of this thread, I'm not in a charitable mood. As I mentioned, the design philosophy of the walkthrough is to display as much content in as little time as possible. Why? As for the as quickly as possible part, it is partially due to the fact that you aren't sure how many days the game needs to be, i.e. you can use it as a yardstick to measure how much time is required for current content, and partially just to see if I can. As for the including as much content as possible, that was necessary for the walkthrough to be even the slightest bit useful. Earlier, you referred to netorare as voyeurism. The English word that best represents it is infidelity. I don't like infidelity. I don't like being on either side of it. I don't like someone I'm in a relationship with sleeping with someone else, and I don't like fucking another girl behind the back of one I'm with. I don't like non-consensual sex. I don't like rape, and I find the night molestation scenes to be . . . objectionable . . . to put it mildly. Before I started working on the walkthrough, I skipped them every single time. There are certainly things more objectionable than a single woman, who is a grown adult, making decisions about with whom she'd like to be intimate, in this game. If the game were complete, the way I'm playing it would be very, very different, but that isn't possible with the Patreon model. I do want to support your game. I think it has huge potential. It has an interesting world, it has humor, the clue mechanic is brilliant, and I think the story might end up being quite good. One thing a good story needs, though, is adversity. There needs to be obstacles to be overcome, setbacks, and hardship. Choices only matter if there are consequences. You seem to understand this. So, that is one of the two reasons I don't mind there being things I dislike in the game--if there are no negative possibilities, the story lacks gravity. The second reason is that I'm not a selfish hypocrite. I have things I like, and I have things I dislike. Others have different likes and dislikes. I learned long ago that the world doesn't revolve around me. Others are just as entitled to their fun as I am, so I don't begrudge them having things in the game that they enjoy as long as there are things in the game I enjoy and I have at least an option to avoid those things I find truly distasteful.

If I begin removing . . . objectionable . . . content from the walkthrough, I'll start with the content I find objectionable. If I'm must remove NTR, I will remove the blowjob from the tailor shop since that is the only scene that actually qualifies. I either follow the design philosophy of the walkthrough, or it's probably not worth doing it. It isn't about avoiding negative consequences, which it states at the very beginning. It's about demonstrating mechanics and content within the game. Much like the game, the walkthrough is a work in progress. Right now, it causes Evelyn to leave, since that path has more content than the alternative. When the game is next updated with more Evelyn content, that decision will probably be altered to the path with the most content. Right now, at a cost of two afternoon visits, the Evelyn-Thaddeus scenes in the walkthrough generate twenty-five copper, which is the equivalent of grinding at the tailor shop for five days. The most you can get by avoiding those scenes and putting off the confrontation is ten. We have reached the point where content is becoming mutually exclusive; however, I see no reason to remove the negotiation scenes from the walkthrough until such time as they are mutually exclusive to other content. I removed my personal taste from the equation completely in order to try and help others with the game. If I will not pander to my own tastes, I'm certainly not going to pander to the tastes of others.
It'll be on a case-by-case basis, and I'm also very likely to go back and expand existing scenes with more angles/options like I did with Samarra's sex scene. I'm a bit bothered that both full-blown sex scenes in the game right now are in the cowgirl position, but anything else didn't feel right for the mood and setting of those scenes. I'm really focused on making the next scene use different positions, because I share your concern about it becoming a bit predictable.
I might as well mention a nitpick with Evelyn's scene. She's a virgin, and this update indicates that she isn't that experienced with sex. Even in cowgirl, she should be on her knees with her calves resting on the bed. That strikes me as the way a virgin would do it. The way Evelyn did it in the scene takes much more work.
 

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People don't like content specifically designed to cause despair, jealousy etc, whether you like it or not this kind of content has also come to be called 'ntr' around these parts. Most don't have a problem with the infidelity itself, just when it's against us, because fuck it, it's our game and our fantasy... Why the fuck do we have to have 'equal opportunity' that's just fucking bizzare logic...
 

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People don't like content specifically designed to cause despair, jealousy etc, whether you like it or not this kind of content has also come to be called 'ntr' around these parts. Most don't have a problem with the infidelity itself, just when it's against us, because fuck it, it's our game and our fantasy... Why the fuck do we have to have 'equal opportunity' that's just fucking bizzare logic...
Because not every game is meant to be a just from a sex scene to the next, some try to pull a story together, and stories need conflict. If you are only looking for a sex fantasy it's fine, but some also like something else.
 
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People don't like content specifically designed to cause despair, jealousy etc, whether you like it or not this kind of content has also come to be called 'ntr' around these parts. Most don't have a problem with the infidelity itself, just when it's against us, because fuck it, it's our game and our fantasy... Why the fuck do we have to have 'equal opportunity' that's just fucking bizzare logic...
It isn't your game, it's Belle's. If you can claim it as your fantasy, then every other player has just a valid a claim. If you don't care what other people want because it goes against what you want, then everyone else is perfectly justified in showing you the exact same lack of respect and not caring what you want.
 
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It isn't your game, it's Belle's. If you can claim it as your fantasy, then every other player has just a valid a claim. If you don't care what other people want because it goes against what you want, then everyone else is perfectly justified in showing you the exact same lack of respect and not caring what you want.
And as I said before, Belle doesn't intend this game to be a beta cuck game either. There will be ZERO more content like this, and she doesn't even expect people to choose these existing options anyway...
 

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Because not every game is meant to be a just from a sex scene to the next, some try to pull a story together, and stories need conflict. If you are only looking for a sex fantasy it's fine, but some also like something else.
LOL what? I never said anywhere that I want that... Conflict doesn't have to mean your women fucking other dudes though, if that's all you can imagine I feel bad for you.
 
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It's a way of making conflict, and it works. There are other ways for sure, but looking at all the crybabies in this thread, this one seems pretty effective.
Effective at fucking pissing people off, this is not a good thing.
 

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It's a way of making conflict, and it works. There are other ways for sure, but looking at all the crybabies in this thread, this one seems pretty effective.
Careful throwing that stone 'crybaby' around mate.... one could argue its "crybaby" NTR fans crying over there NOT being NTR in a game being more of an issue than people "crying" over its inclusion.

Then consider that, from what I've seen, many games that originally weren't intended to include NTR from the start seem to die quickly, whether from the author losing interest in pandering to a fetish they don't like; or because Patrons stop paying them and the author stops working for free.

In this case, since Belle's working without a Patreon (or afaik similar funding), and she's mentioned that it's not her primary goal beyond branching, so... yeah, you can 'cry' all you want, but NTR isn't going to be a major part of this game. If you don't like it, go write, program and release your own game instead?
 

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She flat out told me this is the ONLY content of this kind that'll be in the game. And it's only there since she considers it important to the story. So anyone hoping for more of this crap is basically just shit out of luck.
 

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In this case, since Belle's working without a Patreon (or afaik similar funding)
Huh? I do have a . It's kind of worrying if people like the game but don't know about it. My apologies if I misread your post.
 

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Huh? I do have a . It's kind of worrying if people like the game but don't know about it. My apologies if I misread your post.
I didnt realise to be fair... I just became a wizard though. ;)
 
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Huh? I do have a . It's kind of worrying if people like the game but don't know about it. My apologies if I misread your post.
Last time I cruised by I dont remember you having one, but that was also shortly after the release, I'd have to search the thread for exactly when I posted originally, and for which version but I think it was v0.1-0.2

Last time I played, there wasnt opinion's, this knight lady and Nell weren't in the game, and we'd barely learned minor hooks. I enjoyed the game then, and had been waiting for enough content to warrant updating this particular fun game, to reduce the mild irritation of anything remotely like "yay an update! boo, it's tiny!"

Edit: yeah, last time I was here was Sept 17th, and the game was still v0.1 and you were just putting the finishing touches on v0.15. Pretty sure you didn't have a Patreon then, and since the game was pretty thin but intriguing enough to bookmark to check back at a later time :)
 

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I played the game yesterday for the first time and I really like it very much, so I became a patreon. I support the dev for what he/she is wanting to do with the game. I can give my opinion about what I like or not, but in the end it's the game of the dev and he/she decides where it is going.
Everyone has the freedom to play a game or leave it be if there is stuff you don't like. I do many things in such games I wouldn't do or accept in real life but still find them arousing! It's all about fantasy. For example I discovered NTR is a turn-on for me, in a game, in real life it would end in a bloodshed. So open your mind or move on. But will I stop playing this game because of a lack of this content? No!
 
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