Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[Anonnona]

Sure I haven't seen the update. I'm going by what Icstor himself said. New update is supposed to have ~2200 renders and took ~7.5 months. 0.4 had over 1200 renders and took ~2.75 months


As I said before, this wouldn't be a problem to me if he hadn't missed his latest estimate by over a month when he 3 weeks earlier said he's trying to release it on time.
That was him being dishonest. There is no way he underestimated the work left to be done by 6 weeks. I also doubt he had significant computer problems as there wasn't any mention of them when he delayed the update in late August. You can't come back later when you weren't transparent at the time.

I'm sure the update will be good and will probably be double the size of 0.5 or even 0.4 but when a developer who has rushed several games now to move on to his next project, takes a break because he was burned out and than comes back and misses his deadlines by a large margin, I think it is reasonable to be concerned about the future of the game.

It's been just ~190 days** in total that he's been developing 0.6, so a little over 6 months, 0.4 took around 2 months. He has announced 2300+ renders till date. 0.4 was focused on one major storyline and one minor, in 0.6 it's 2 major and one minor. 0.4 had 93 animations, 0.6 will have more than that (fingers crossed).
Now include the factors like his mental wear and tear, the story development and direction, there is no way he could've planned out what to do when and executed it to perfection.
0.4 as the name indicates was much earlier in the story, it was more like reinforcing the foundation even if relationship lvl reached 4/5. Now comes the good parts. Also, the posing and rendering those fucking scenes are more difficult than the rest.
That's one big reason most devs don't put in sex scenes in the initial updates.

In essence, he is being hounded even after he honestly expressed that he is mentally fatigued, just for being a little late. This is the time he should be supported

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[Anonnona]

Feelings? What is that? In a porn world there are no such thing as feelings, only furiously fapping and then cumming all over your room so you don't have to paint it once again next summer.

Exactly. Thank you!!

 

[giraffe69]

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[PashafromRussia]

There is no single reason for the new postponement. If the game was postponed again, he would have announced it long ago. The game will come out this week definitely, Friday or weekend.

 

[Namber4]

I have been suffering for 2 weeks, if icstor does not release the 10 update, I will die from abstinence)

 

[boxedjack]

When you get in august and you see that the percentage is 70-80 (i don't remember the exact number) and the last 2 months it moved about 20 percent and suddently you expect everything to be done within a month then it's your fault.

It's my fault for believing the estimates that he upheld until August 29th and not do my own calculations?? Should I have messaged him like: "Hey man I know you think you can do this but let me level with you, I did the math..."
If I did that I'd expected the update in July since it was done 65% before he went on break in April and came back in mid May. Neighbors are supposed to be about ~250 renders out of ~2200 so they really shouldn't make a huge difference.

Also he never gave exact dates about the update he says "i expect it to come out then...".

And he missed it by 6 weeks. Pretty rough estimate, eh?

And as for the issues he had, why is it so impossible to be true ?

Not saying it's impossible. I'm saying if he did have software problems why didn't he tell anyone in August and instead said "The progress is going really well"? Why not be transparent at the time?

As for the rest, as I said I have nothing against anyone supporting Icstors or anything against him personally. What I am saying is that criticism against him is warranted as he is at the very least dishonest by ommiting information.

 

[bearhug]

"After the so called delay", are you suggesting it wasn't really a delay? Hate to break it to you but that's what Icstor called it: "I promise that this is the last delay and we’ll try to release the updates every 2-3months... (source: here)"

And you are exatcly right people were "expecting" an early september release because they "thought" everything was okay and that was based on the information they were given. 3 weeks earlier an August release was painted as realistic, that didn't happen but according to Icstor: "The progress is going really well."

If only someone could have provided more accurate information that there are still 6 weeks to go

Hmmmm If only people can see in the future and provide accurate information, that would be good to. people are expecting a 100% success rate on everything people do this days. and no i wasn't suggesting that the delay was not real, i could have worded that better but since English isn't my first language i'm sorry about that. The thing is why are people expecting a date on their own? and then getting angry if that said release date that they thought off wasn't accomplish?. and 2nd how did those people even accurately measure the progress and told themselves that 3 weeks earlier in august after the delay can be painted as a "realistic" release date?.

 

[Marzapane]

Can't wait anymore . Icstor has always been reliable with the updates so far, but this 0.6 has been crazy. I really hope it gets out early and that 0.7 doesn't take that much time to be made...

 

[Dunav]

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[sucklamator]

It's my fault for believing the estimates that he upheld until August 29th and not do my own calculations?? Should I have messaged him like: "Hey man I know you think you can do this but let me level with you, I did the math..."
If I did that I'd expected the update in July since it was done 65% before he went on break in April and came back in mid May. Neighbors are supposed to be about ~250 renders out of ~2200 so they really shouldn't make a huge difference.



And he missed it by 6 weeks. Pretty rough estimate, eh?



Not saying it's impossible. I'm saying if he did have software problems why didn't he tell anyone in August and instead said "The progress is going really well"? Why not be transparent at the time?

As for the rest, as I said I have nothing against anyone supporting Icstors or anything against him personally. What I am saying is that criticism against him is warranted as he is at the very least dishonest by ommiting information.

It's your fault yes cause it's your money and it's not his job to tell you how you should pledge. That's why he gives you that percentage otherwise he would just and that's it. And for an update of that size yes i can easily imagine it being delayed 6 weeks because of render issues, etc. It's not for you to say how long it should take cause you don't know and neither does anyone else, how long the renders take. You dont know exact figures about the quality the exact system and also if there where any screwups during the process. As for not being transparent i think he was, he doesn't win anything by being a liar so that probably happened after that post. And as i said in his post he says that supporters of the previous months will receive the update, so any mistakes by his part will not effect people that already paid.

 

[armion82]

As I said before, this wouldn't be a problem to me if he hadn't missed his latest estimate by over a month when he 3 weeks earlier said he's trying to release it on time.
That was him being dishonest. There is no way he underestimated the work left to be done by 6 weeks. I also doubt he had significant computer problems as there wasn't any mention of them when he delayed the update in late August. You can't come back later when you weren't transparent at the time.

I'm sure the update will be good and will probably be double the size of 0.5 or even 0.4 but when a developer who has rushed several games now to move on to his next project, takes a break because he was burned out and than comes back and misses his deadlines by a large margin, I think it is reasonable to be concerned about the future of the game.

It's been just ~190 days** in total that he's been developing 0.6, so a little over 6 months, 0.4 took a little more than 3 months. He has announced 2300+ renders till date. 0.4 was focused on one major storyline and one minor, in 0.6 it's 2 major and one minor. 0.4 had 93 animations, 0.6 will have more than that (fingers crossed).
Now include the factors like his mental wear and tear, the story development and direction, there is no way he could've planned out what to do when and executed it to perfection.
0.4 as the name indicates was much earlier in the story, it was more like reinforcing the foundation even if relationship lvl reached 4/5. Now comes the good parts. Also, the posing and rendering those fucking scenes are more difficult than the rest.
That's one big reason most devs don't put in sex scenes in the initial updates.

In essence, he is being hounded even after he honestly expressed that he is mentally fatigued, just for being a little late. This is the time he should be supported

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Still nobody force him to add more content,especialy for a side on square characters.If he realy wanted to add something more,why not make some scenes with Sara?Or deal with the cliffhanger with Linda?
Probably you don't know but last 2 games he end both suddenly.I can't even call that ending.He just get rid of them and start Milfy CIty.

 

[Mormont]

There is no single reason for the new postponement. If the game was postponed again, he would have announced it long ago. The game will come out this week definitely, Friday or weekend.

Another delay would do him no favours whatsoever its make or break time and time for an actual release.

 

[boxedjack]

It's been just ~190 days** in total that he's been developing 0.6, so a little over 6 months, 0.4 took a little more than 3 months.

Where did you get that from?
Here is my source for 0.4 from Patreon


That's ~2.75 months as I said not more than 3 months. If anything, the time between the last release and the beta of the new one was even less.
If you recognize this, I kindly ask you to edit your post.

As for 0.6:
Icstor took 1-2 weeks off after the holidays, no problem.
He went on break April 1st. Not in March as you said (source here)
He also specifically said he will work until the end of March.
He came back in mid May (source: here).
So, no he didn't take a 3 month break, it was 1.5. That's not me guessing, it's the info we got from Icstor.

So we are now 9 months and a week into 2019. Substract 1.5 months break and 1-2 weeks for the holidays and you get 7.5 months or 7.5 months minus 1 week. Again, I'd like to see your math/sources or I kindly ask you to edit your post.

 

[WhatsThePregnancyContent]

It's been just ~190 days

He has announced 2300+ renders till date. 0.4 was focused on one major storyline and one minor, in 0.6 it's 2 major and one minor. 0.4 had 93 animations, 0.6 will have more than that (fingers crossed).

Now include the factors like his mental wear and tear, the story development and direction, there is no way he could've planned out what to do when and executed it to perfection.

Nobody asked him to do the dumb shit he did- everyone would be cool with a short and sweet 0.6 "Just Carolina" update.

0.4 as the name indicates was much earlier in the story, it was more like reinforcing the foundation even if relationship lvl reached 4/5. Now comes the good parts. Also, the posing and rendering those fucking scenes are more difficult than the rest.
That's one big reason most devs don't put in sex scenes in the initial updates.

"Devs don't do sex scene because that's hard work"

In essence, he is being hounded even after he honestly expressed that he is mentally fatigued, just for being a little late.

So what that he 'honestly expressed that he is mentally fatigued'? Also, he's not 'a little' late.

This is the time he should be supported

He got his support back in march (or whenever the fuck that was), when he announced that he needs a vacation.

 

[Anonnona]

Still nobody force him to add more content,especialy for a side on square characters.If he realy wanted to add something more,why not make some scenes with Sara?Or deal with the cliffhanger with Linda?
Probably you don't know but last 2 games he end both suddenly.I can't even call that ending.He just get rid of them and start Milfy CIty.

So, 5/5 for caroline in 0.6, 5/5 linda in 0.8, 4/5 or 5/5 sara in 0.7. These are the major characters and their relationship levels for upcoming updates. What should he do with the rest of the characters he created with so much effort. You think fucking your family is the only way to go, that's your choice. So if at 0.8 we've reached 5/5 for all 3 characters would you play 0.9 and beyond? The focus for those updates will HAVE to be on the side characters. Then instead of adding 200-300 images like he is now with each update, he'll have to do 1000+ for a single update with them as the sole focus.

 

[armion82]

So, 5/5 for caroline in 0.6, 5/5 linda in 0.8, 4/5 or 5/5 sara in 0.7. These are the major characters and their relationship levels for upcoming updates. What should he do with the rest of the characters he created with so much effort. You think fucking your family is the only way to go, that's your choice. So if at 0.8 we've reached 5/5 for all 3 characters would you play 0.9 and beyond? The focus for those updates will HAVE to be on the side characters. Then instead of adding 200-300 images like he is now with each update, he'll have to do 1000+ for a single update with them as the sole focus.

The reason I mention Sara and Linda is because we last saw Sara like 15 months ago or even more.They are only an example.Why put neighbors when Judy have more reasons to be in the update?
Also you are blind to not see that he is probably thinking to start a new game.He did it several times so far.

 

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[Anonnona]

Where did you get that from?
Here is my source for 0.4 from Patreon
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That's ~2.75 months as I said not more than 3 months. If anything, the time between the last release and the beta of the new one was even less.
If you recognize this I kindly ask you to edit your post.

Acknowledged and edited.

He came back in mid May (source: here).

He said he might, but he didn't. At least not full-fledged. Just like he wasn't working at 100% before the vacation.

As for 0.5:
Icstor took 1-2 weeks off after the holidays, no problem.
He went on break April 1st. Not in March as you said (look at his homepage to confirm this, I didn't bookmark the announcement, to lazy to look in this thread).
He also specifically said he will work until the end of March.
He came back in mid May (source: here).
So, no he didn't take a 3 month break, it was 1.5. That's not me guessing, it's the info we got from Icstor.

So we are now 9 months and a week into 2019. Substract 1.5 months break and 1-2 weeks for the holidays and you get 7.5 months or 7.5 months minus 1 week. Again, I'd like to see your math/sources or I kindly ask you to edit your post.

I'm guessing you mean 0.6 not 0.5

As for my references: here

The holiday was from march final week to midweek of June. 23rd March to 14th June to be exact. 84 days.

I kindly ask you to edit your post.

 

[boxedjack]

It's your fault yes cause it's your money and it's not his job to tell you how you should pledge. That's why he gives you that percentage otherwise he would just and that's it.

Calculate own estimate based on percentage - ignore given estimate by dev - ignore contradictions if those come from the same source - if I take dev by his word it's my own fault.

I think I got everything, thanks.

 

[Anonnona]

The reason I mention Sara and Linda is because we last saw Sara like 15 months ago or even more.They are only an example.Why put neighbors when Judy have more reasons to be in the update?

Judy is part of 0.7. This was decided as a part of a patreon poll. the major characters for 0.6-0.8 have been decided already. You are just an occasional visitor with part of the information.

Also you are blind to not see that he is probably thinking to start a new game.He did it several times so far.

To be fair, those were RPGM games. I agree that the endings were pretty rushed, but you also forgot about the patreon's incest ban. These happened around the same time.
Instead of reworking the whole game(s), he decided to make a newer, better game. Not solely dependent on Blackmailing or mind control or such genres. All he has done is improve the quality of his games, atleast that's what he tried.

Incest story 1 was basic RPGM only playable with the keyboard, it had images with dialogue bubbles. Had a decent ending.
Milf's control was similar but with animations added and point-to-click game and one of the best minigames in the history of porn games. The ending was bad.
Milf's Villa removed the dialogue bubbles and started having the dialogues in the code. Worst ending till date.
Incest story 2 was similar to Milf's Villa and had pretty good endings.

So 4 games, 2 good endings, 1 bad ending and one horrible ending.