VN Ren'Py Completed My Sister, My Roommate [v1.69] [Sumodeine]

[DigDug69]

Alright, I'm considering playing some more. Though, please answer me this first; Does the MC, at any point, introspect about what happened with Sollain? I think introspection is needed for character growth, to frame why he's doing what he's doing. What lessons he's learned from past mistakes. If he even thinks Sollain was a mistake, which I hope he does.
From what people in another thread have said, I suspect I need the mindset of watching an R rated "Ernest Goes to College". I'm not sure if I'm able to distance myself from the MC that much, to laugh at him.



I don't agree with "more often than not", the amount of AVN that had a wet-blanket MC at the start and end of it, is ridiculous. I love character growth in an AVN, most don't have it.
Character growth is about making bad choices and learning from them, the number of women he ends up boning isn't really a metric. So many MCs bone every woman and learn nothing.

I'm not saying that all of the games have character growth, but to be honest, the ones that I have read do.
There are games like the one with the insanely annoying character named Bobby that are meant for nothing more than fapping to, because the story SUCKS MOLDY MOOSECOCK!!!

It has been some time since I have played this game, so I cannot go into details, other than to say that I enjoyed the story.
The main character does grow a pair, and become a better person. (within the confines of it being a porn game)
I was so/so on the ending, but if I had played it differently, I might have enjoyed the ending more.

Play it, or not, that is up to you, but you really should not bad mouth games that you have not spent a reasonable amount of time on, because you may well have quit playing before the good stuff started to happen.
And since this is a game that was completed almost 4 years ago, your comments are not even something that can be construed as constructive, in any way.

This is an older game, so I suggest in such cases that you start reading some of the comments near the middle of the comments section, to get a better feel for the game.
The game was finished almost 4 years ago, so you can get a good feel of what kind of things have happened by reading comments.
In part of your comment you referred to reading the back cover of a book, well reading the comments in a visual novels thread is the exact same thing.
You learn a bit more about what is going on, and have a better idea if it is something you "might" enjoy.

If you base your ideas of a good story off of the beginning, you might be someone who thinks that Tom Clancy sucks as an author, because he is notorious for a slow build up and progression of the story, until events start to snowball down the mountain, over halfway through the book, and then things get exciting.

 

[DA22]

Alright, I'm considering playing some more. Though, please answer me this first; Does the MC, at any point, introspect about what happened with Sollain? I think introspection is needed for character growth, to frame why he's doing what he's doing. What lessons he's learned from past mistakes. If he even thinks Sollain was a mistake, which I hope he does.
From what people in another thread have said, I suspect I need the mindset of watching an R rated "Ernest Goes to College". I'm not sure if I'm able to distance myself from the MC that much, to laugh at him.



I don't agree with "more often than not", the amount of AVN that had a wet-blanket MC at the start and end of it, is ridiculous. I love character growth in an AVN, most don't have it.
Character growth is about making bad choices and learning from them, the number of women he ends up boning isn't really a metric. So many MCs bone every woman and learn nothing.


This has always been a weird saying to me... If there are 1000 books to pick from, and you can't possibly read them all, why wouldn't you use the cover (specially the backside of it) to filter them?
I'd even argue that I read the cover (the front page), then read the first few pages, and found it wanting.
But, like I said above, I am willing to give it another go.

(tagging DA22 and Penfold Mole in case they like to participate here)

Considering Sollain, I do not think he ever sees it really as a fault. On the other hand it is also not like she really has regrets about it. If remember right there is one later option for a repeat performance with her, but she is not a main target for MC. More something that happens, my reading was he and she wanted it both in a way as he had a slight crush on her and that was shared by her without wanting to take it into a relationship and she acted on it while felt bad for herself and had drunk one too many knowing he would leave soon and sets him on his way together with some machinations of his sister to believe more in himself. It is not like he took advantage of her, she knew what she did and he was not unwilling either. If anyone was taking advantage though it was her .

Later in game he does run into some consequences for actions if he thinks too much only of himself though and does grow some of that as well and takes responsibility for it, but yeah he does make a few mistakes. Then that is not unbelievable in itself, we all did. Some learn and others keep repeating same mistake.

 

[Quetzzz]

Play it, or not, that is up to you, but you really should not badmouth games that you have not spent a reasonable amount of time on, because you may well have quit playing before the good stuff started to happen.

Hold on, I did not badmouth the game. I did not leave a 1-star review after playing it for 5-10 minutes. If voicing an opinion/concern is badmouthing, then we might as well just close the discussion boards.

If you base your ideas of a good story off of the beginning, you might be someone who thinks that Tom Clancy sucks as an author, because he is notorious for a slow build up and progression of the story, until events start to snowball down the mountain over halfway through the book and then things get exciting.

This is a false comparative. If, in Tom Clancy's book, in the first pages, the main character does something I find so apprehensive that it biases me against the MC, I would close the book. If there's a discussion board for this book, then I'd voice that opinion/concern there as well, to see what other people think. Where you seem to insinuate hate/bad intentions, I'm seeing the opportunity for discussion. To each their own, I guess.

 

[DigDug69]

Hold on, I did not badmouth the game. I did not leave a 1-star review after playing it for 5-10 minutes. If voicing an opinion/concern is badmouthing, then we might as well just close the discussion boards.


This is a false comparative. If, in Tom Clancy's book, in the first pages, the main character does something I find so apprehensive that it biases me against the MC, I would close the book. If there's a discussion board for this book, then I'd voice that opinion/concern there as well, to see what other people think. Where you seem to insinuate hate/bad intentions, I'm seeing the opportunity for discussion. To each their own, I guess.

I get what you are saying, but you will find on here that no one really cares if an individual did not like the story, especially a completed story as this is.

The following is just to show you what you can expect with future such comments in game threads, for similar comments.
You can expect people to reply with some really rude comments that essentially tell you that if you don't like it, go play another game, and stop whining about it.
Which is exactly what anyone should do, just go and find another game to play.
Part of your comment was a question, so I responded to that.

I have seen many people post responses to such complaints in the past, so all I am doing is to advise you that if you don't like a game, just move along and find another game.

 

[Quetzzz]

Considering Sollain, I do not think he ever sees it really as a fault. On the other hand it is also not like she really has regrets about it. If remember right there is one later option for a repeat performance with her, but she is not a main target for MC. More something that happens, my reading was he and she wanted it both in a way as he had a slight crush on her and that was shared by her without wanting to take it into a relationship and she acted on it while felt bad for herself and had drunk one too many knowing he would leave soon and sets him on his way together with some machinations of his sister to believe more in himself. It is not like he took advantage of her, she knew what she did. If anyone was taking advantage it was her .

During the scene, I did get the impression that the MC was just happy to 'get in there', which is what made me see him as pathetic (more so if the player resists peeking on the sister, showing some backbone). What Sollain did was self-serving, she makes this clear. She wanted to know she 'still had it'. So, you're right, it was her taking advantage of him, fueled by alcohol and lowered inhibitions. This is how I interpreted it as well, and why I wanted to be able to refuse her even more.
Now that you mention it, there was some foreshadowing about the MC liking her, I didn't think much of him ogling her breasts in the kitchen because this is such a (overdone) trope in the genre.

It's interesting to me that the sister might have had a hand in it. I'm intrigued. If a repeat performance with Sollain is avoidable, I'll happily go that route.

Later in game he does run into some consequences for actions if he thinks too much only of himself though and does grow some of that as well and takes responsibility for it, but yeah he does make a few mistakes.

That's good to know, thank you!

I get what you are saying, but you will find on here that no one really cares if an individual did not like the story, especially a completed story as this is.

That's fine. Those people can ignore my post and move on to something else. (See what I did there? )

The following is just to show you what you can expect with future such comments in game threads, for similar comments.
You can expect people to reply with some really rude comments that essentially tell you that if you don't like it, go play another game, and stop whining about it.
Which is exactly what anyone should do, just go and find another game to play.
Part of your comment was a question, so I responded to that.

I have seen many people post responses to such complaints in the past, so all I am doing is to advise you that if you don't like a game, just move along and find another game.

Thank you for your feedback, but the amount of constructive dialog in the past few posts makes me disagree with you.
People replying with "give it another shot, try thinking like x or interpret it like y", really helps. I'm not that haughty to think I have the best interpretations or opinions. Seeing how other people experience/interpret something is valuable.

 

[Walter Victor]

Quetzzz, the problem with your focus on Mrs. Sollain is that in no way is she a focus of this game. Her reasons for being there are to get a sex scene at the beginning of the game and so that the MC can lose his virginity before entering college. For those who actually like her, there is an opportunity (entirely optional) to hook up with her later in the game. Taylor (MC) also mentions Mrs. Sollain in a conversation with Nikki (sister) early on. That's it!

To my mind, that is insufficient evidence to make a judgment of any kind about this game.

By the way, the MC does have opportunities to make meaningful mistakes along the way. In fact, the expression, "Never stick your dick in crazy!", may have been derived from this game.

 

[DA22]

It's interesting to me that the sister might have had a hand in it. I'm intrigued. If a repeat performance with Sollain is avoidable, I'll happily go that route.

Well not sure that Nicky had any part there, but she does have a part in his getting more out of his shell and believing in himself. Do not want to spoil too much if do decide to play the game though.

Edit: @ Walter Yeah it is not like Nicky is the best judge of character either and may not be the best/safest teacher even if all can end well.

 

[Quetzzz]

@Quetzzz, the problem with your focus on Mrs. Sollain is that in no way is she a focus of this game. Her reasons for being there are to get a sex scene at the beginning of the game and so that the MC can lose his virginity before entering college. For those who actually like her, there is an opportunity (entirely optional) to hook up with her later in the game. Taylor (MC) also mentions Mrs. Sollain in a conversation with Nikki (sister) early on. That's it!

I think that's fair. Though I'd like to point out that my issue isn't with Sollain per se, but with what it says about the MC: "I don't know if this is a level of pathos he can crawl back from."
He's so needy and sex-starved that he doesn't think twice about jumping her when she offers. But you're right, I should get over myself in this case. (And probably many more cases in the future.)

To my mind, that is insufficient evidence to make a judgment of any kind about this game.

I'm really not trying to judge the game in its entirety, I should've phrased that better. It was meant as an invitation for fans of the game to tell me how wrong I was, not as a blanket statement.

Well not sure that Nicky had any part there, but she does have a part in his getting more out of his shell and believing in himself. Do not want to spoil too much if do decide to play the game though.

Ah, sorry, then I misunderstood. And yes, I will play through it at a later date. The next game on my list is 'A Moment of Bliss', after I'm done with 'Life With Mary'.

 

[DA22]

I think that's fair. Though I'd like to point out that my issue isn't with Sollain per se, but with what it says about the MC: "I don't know if this is a level of pathos he can crawl back from."
He's so needy and sex-starved that he doesn't think twice about jumping her when she offers. But you're right, I should get over myself in this case. (And probably many more cases in the future.)


I'm really not trying to judge the game in its entirety, I should've phrased that better. It was meant as an invitation for fans of the game to tell me how wrong I was, not as a blanket statement.


Ah, sorry, then I misunderstood. And yes, I will play through it at a later date. The next game on my list is 'A Moment of Bliss', after I'm done with 'Life With Mary'.

Ah you might have to forgive that MC of Bliss also a few things, but then if played Petals you already know that First episode of third part of that series was released recently, wish next part would be sooner, but it is what it is .

 

[Quetzzz]

Ah you might have to forgive that MC of Bliss also a few things, but then if played Petals you already know that First episode of third part of that series was released recently, wish next part would be sooner, but it is what it is .

Yeah, I actually liked both the MC and Petal a lot in the first few chapters, but after the videocall with Bliss (chapter 3), their relationship and character seemed to shift. The MC became weaker (at least in certain aspects), and Petal grabbed too much power (IMO). I still think Lockheart did an outstanding job at characterization and framing, despite me ending up disliking them both (again, in parts). I actually suspect this regression was deliberate, so that Bliss could have a bigger impact on the MC in her story.

I've written an extensive review of it, based on 8500 words of notes. (I know many people here will think I'm crazy, but it's something I enjoy doing, and enhances my experience of a game.)

 

[DA22]

Yeah, I actually liked both the MC and Petal a lot in the first few chapters, but after the videocall with Bliss (chapter 3), their relationship and character seemed to shift. The MC became weaker (at least in certain aspects), and Petal grabbed too much power (IMO). I still think Lockheart did an outstanding job at characterization and framing, despite me ending up disliking them both (again, in parts). I actually suspect this regression was deliberate, so that Bliss could have a bigger impact on the MC in her story.

I've written an extensive review of it, based on 8500 words of notes. (I know many people here will think I'm crazy, but it's something I enjoy doing, and enhances my experience of a game.)

Well I hope you enjoy it. I would say he more surrenders to the inevitable and part two does give some reasons, which may feel more or less contrived to you. Actions go bit faster though in second series as Petal did prepare him already some and Bliss is less his little girl.

 

[Quetzzz]

Well I hope you enjoy it. I would say he more surrenders to the inevitable and part two does give some reasons, which may feel more or less contrived to you. Actions go bit faster though in second series as Petal did prepare him already some and Bliss is less his little girl.

I think you mean Petal's secret? Lockheart read my notes and advised me to pick the 'transhumanist' path for Bliss... Which makes me think my guess is right:

Spoiler: What I wrote when Petal admitted to having a secret (pool scene)

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[ThorinKing]

Quetzzz, the problem with your focus on Mrs. Sollain is that in no way is she a focus of this game. Her reasons for being there are to get a sex scene at the beginning of the game and so that the MC can lose his virginity before entering college. For those who actually like her, there is an opportunity (entirely optional) to hook up with her later in the game. Taylor (MC) also mentions Mrs. Sollain in a conversation with Nikki (sister) early on. That's it!

To my mind, that is insufficient evidence to make a judgment of any kind about this game.

By the way, the MC does have opportunities to make meaningful mistakes along the way. In fact, the expression, "Never stick your dick in crazy!", may have been derived from this game.

Sticking your dick in crazy is fun until they come back with a knife to cut it off.

 

[lorddagon2021]

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[AlexStone]

Alright, I'm considering playing some more. Though, please answer me this first; Does the MC, at any point, introspect about what happened with Sollain? I think introspection is needed for character growth, to frame why he's doing what he's doing. What lessons he's learned from past mistakes. If he even thinks Sollain was a mistake, which I hope he does.
From what people in another thread have said, I suspect I need the mindset of watching an R rated "Ernest Goes to College". I'm not sure if I'm able to distance myself from the MC that much, to laugh at him.



I don't agree with "more often than not", the amount of AVN that had a wet-blanket MC at the start and end of it, is ridiculous. I love character growth in an AVN, most don't have it.
Character growth is about making bad choices and learning from them, the number of women he ends up boning isn't really a metric. So many MCs bone every woman and learn nothing.


This has always been a weird saying to me... If there are 1000 books to pick from, and you can't possibly read them all, why wouldn't you use the cover (specially the backside of it) to filter them?
I'd even argue that I read the cover (the front page), then read the first few pages, and found it wanting.
But, like I said above, I am willing to give it another go.

(tagging DA22 and Penfold Mole in case they like to participate here)

Try this mod, you can choose not to have sex with Mrs. Sollain.

 

[Quetzzz]

Try this mod, you can choose not to have sex with Mrs. Sollain.

This is great, thank you!
I'll play through the first chapter(s) without the mod, then add it, to see which experience is better for me.

Thanks again!

 

[DA22]

I think you mean Petal's secret? Lockheart read my notes and advised me to pick the 'transhumanist' path for Bliss... Which makes me think my guess is right:

Spoiler: What I wrote when Petal admitted to having a secret (pool scene)

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[Quetzzz]

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Spoiler: Some notes about early chapter 5

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I think we're in total agreement on that.
Still, I rate the game highly. I might not've liked where they ended up, the dynamic they were having... But the writing, characterization and framing was there to support it.

 

[DA22]

Spoiler: Some notes about early chapter 5

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I think we're in total agreement on that.
Still, I rate the game highly. I might not've liked where they ended up, the dynamic they were having... But the writing, characterization and framing was there to support it.

Do not forget about that part at start that yes he resists, but his resistance partly is more about hurting her and what he sees as her wanting something she might regret in a few years as that he is not deep down wanting to be loved by his daughter and does find her attractive, where the loss of his dream to be a successful entertainer and broken up relation with Rose also plays a part. In part two Petal plays way less of a major part in the story and it is more him also accepting this is what he wants as well.

 

[DeUglyOne]

Do not forget about that part at start that yes he resists, but his resistance partly is more about hurting her and what he sees as her wanting something she might regret in a few years as that he is not deep down wanting to be loved by his daughter and does find her attractive, where the loss of his dream to be a successful entertainer and broken up relation with Rose also plays a part. In part two Petal plays way less of a major part in the story and it is more him also accepting this is what he wants as well.

Could you two please take this to DM or, at the very least, to the thread of the game it belongs to?

Spamming a thread with off-topic like this is a ban waiting to happen.