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That last one is crazy hot. There is something special about girls in nothing but collars
- May 15, 2021
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Huh? What backwards-ass country does this game take place in where adultery is not only a crime, but one of "the easier ones" comparable to murder and is punishable by jail time?
I understand this is all a sneaky segue into "there are no laws anymore so it's a-ok to fuck your daughter," but come on
I understand this is all a sneaky segue into "there are no laws anymore so it's a-ok to fuck your daughter," but come on
Sounds great to me, adultery is awful and should be taken more seriously than it is today.
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Taken seriously by whom? The law? What happens behind closed doors between consenting adults is no business of the state.
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Well it's pretty much pointing out that as a society we all know and accept that stuff like stealing, killing and cheating (because none of us want to be cheated on.... unless you're from CaliforniaHuh? What backwards-ass country does this game take place in where adultery is not only a crime, but one of "the easier ones" comparable to murder and is punishable by jail time?
I understand this is all a sneaky segue into "there are no laws anymore so it's a-ok to fuck your daughter," but come on
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) are shitty things to do and the normal members of society will act against such degeneracy and get rid of it even without the government making rules about it.It is the business of the state because in most circumstance these days marriage is nothing but a contract with the state, with consequences handled very explicitly by the state (division of assets, custody, alimony etc). This argument really falls flat on its face immediately.
If you want marriage to be of no business of the state, I'm more than ok with that, but then accept that the consequences are of no business of it either, as it is (or would be) a personal and community affair.
Adultery is extremely toxic and harmful to everyone involved. While I don't personally endorse it or believe it to be healthy, know that I am not speaking about consensual affairs here. It is not a good thing for it to be thought of as a non-punishable offense.
The comparison to murder is actually quite apt here. While murder is considered morally wrong, it is also legally punishable so as to further discourage the act for when morals fail, the same should be true for adultery.
- May 15, 2021
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I'm talking about adultery, not marriage. I don't see what they have anything to do with each other. Adultery is cheating on your partner (who may or may not be your husband/wife). Marriage is a contractual arrangement with certain legal provisions and obligations. It says nothing about either party's sex life. This is why no-fault divorces are now the norm in the entire Western world. Like, here in the UK, adultery is still technically a legal cause for divorce, but any solicitor will laugh you out of their office if you actually try to file for it
Affairs are by definition non-consensual. It's not cheating if you have permission. That's why ethical non-monogamy is an actual term.
Well, for those who think that way, I suppose there are still a few theocracies left in the world where adultery is a crime. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even if you weren't wrong, you clearly understood what I meant with what I wrote so there was really no reason to say this other than to metaphorically put a score point in your column. I'm sorry I didn't use the terminology you deem more accurate.
Hopefully one day quite a few more.
You added this in late, but this should not be legal, sorry. An extremely damaging legality.
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This is intended as a general response to the recent discussion. Society and the state are humanity's effort to move away from the jungle. A banding together under a mutual understanding of what rules are required to avoid anarchy, based on a basic agreement about what actions are right and wrong.
This VN is set in a world where, except in various small communities, the rule of law and those basic agreements are gone. The only protections are those that can be enforced by the threat or use of violent consequences. By gun, knife, club or fist. In the end if you and yours, and possibly some allies, can't impose your will to protect yourselves and others, then the are no consequences.
Tooth and claw rule.
In that context arguing about the nuances of marriage and adultery may be an intellectual pastime, but have no relevance to the circumstances in which these characters find themselves. Same for property rights, contracts, traffic laws, etc. Tooth and claw folks.
This VN is set in a world where, except in various small communities, the rule of law and those basic agreements are gone. The only protections are those that can be enforced by the threat or use of violent consequences. By gun, knife, club or fist. In the end if you and yours, and possibly some allies, can't impose your will to protect yourselves and others, then the are no consequences.
Tooth and claw rule.
In that context arguing about the nuances of marriage and adultery may be an intellectual pastime, but have no relevance to the circumstances in which these characters find themselves. Same for property rights, contracts, traffic laws, etc. Tooth and claw folks.
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Ummm .. let me break this down. An affair is a moral judgement, not typically a legal one. I know of no jurisdiction where cheating is illegal - unless the law was derived from some form of religious background. So because a moral offense occurs, individuals might chose to voluntarily (yes, it is voluntarily get a divorce). Most modern governments have rules on how to divide assets in case of divorce. However that is a state function to divide assets, and the adultery might have been the spark, the conscious choice by one party to divorce (no fault divorce means only one part needs to decide to divorce), causing the government to step in and break up the government created union (it is only religious in name only, this is why you need a marriage license). So essentially you are taking a leap from action, reaction, then state sponsored activity.
As for whether Adultery is toxic or not, I mean most is. However it is not murder. Yes you may have functionally killed a legal union between two people, but it does not actually end a life. Again - Divorce is an action chosen by someone. I don't see adultery as an action punishable by death. While I would never wish someone to have had it done to them, I also don't wish for a child to die, I never want to see a random thing happen to people which someone gets injured (think tire falling off a semi and hitting a bystander). The rules of society are laid out that there are things that harm society more than others. Thus the penal code has different penalties.
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What do you think is the appropriate punishment for adultery? Death by burning or stoning?
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Putting aside the legal side of things, I just found this amusing. My assumption is you meant only consensual between the two engaging in the affair, however since one or both parties are in a relationship is it still very much nonconsensual, since if everybody involved (i.e. the other person in the relationship) consented it no longer becomes an affair, just swinging.
You may have reading comprehension issues because the punishment in question is the very basis of the entire discussion. It was mentioned in the very first sentence of the original topic post, as well as in the in-game dialog featured in the screenshots attached to it.What do you think is the appropriate punishment for adultery? Death by burning or stoning?
That's fair, I have no wish to further derail the thread. It seemed like a relevant topic at the time, but it's obviously a tangental comment by the game itself.
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Consent is only required by the parties having sex, though. Just because there is a contract saying you are married to someone else, doesn't mean they own you or have control over you. Your body is yours, and what you do with it is still up to you
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I think this discussion should be moved onto PMs...
That scene is perfectly plausible because, believe it or not, where i live even consensual anal/oral sex has been categorized as rape (basically a massive fuck you to same sex couples) and is punishable accordingly... if someone is dumb enough to let the state know about it, obviously.Huh? What backwards-ass country does this game take place in where adultery is not only a crime, but one of "the easier ones" comparable to murder and is punishable by jail time?
I understand this is all a sneaky segue into "there are no laws anymore so it's a-ok to fuck your daughter," but come on
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Quite a common occurance when religious/spiritual guidelines are put down as laws.
Then again, porn is banned here so i guess i do live in a backwards-ass country lol.
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I don't know where you live, BUT "Now and Then" is set in contemporary USA, you know.