VN Ren'Py Abandoned Oath of Loyalty [Ch. 10] [Silk Ari/REV]

[rev_01]

How do you know she won't pull anything like that in the future? Everyone in the family assumed she would never pull a stunt like that until she did.

I wouldn't be happy but I would also be extremely pissed at how my mom betrayed the family knowing that she married into the mob. I would like to think that I would also understand that my cousin didn't cause my mom's death, her actions did.



Daniela and Julia are both over 18, they have already been raised. They may be pissed and blaming the MC or Frank may be easy but it's not like the MC woke up one day, thought "man, I hate my aunt" and got her killed with no justification. He stumbled upon a major betrayal to his family that risks his dad's position and power. That betrayal put Sophia and Mary at risk through no action of their own, all to feed auntie's greed.

No different from them all knowing Paulie is cheating too. Also I know and talk to Ari frequently. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't make Barbara do something like that again from what I know of future plans so far. The only thing that may happen is Barbara cheating on Paulie with MC.

 

[desmosome]

I wouldn't really call it betrayal. He wanted more of an active role in the family and in order to prove himself to Frank took a risk which didn't pay off.

Getting info on a heist against the family, deliberately letting it go through, leading to the family heirloom getting into the hands of a rival family and sensitive financial documents in the hands of some crazy hitman is not a betrayal?

 

[wittnotyoyo]

No different from them all knowing Paulie is cheating too. Also I know and talk to Ari frequently. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't make Barbara do something like that again from what I know of future plans so far. The only thing that may happen is Barbara cheating on Paulie with MC.

The cheating wasn't the betrayal, it was just her stupidly piling risk onto her already exceedingly dangerous plan to try and usurp power from Frank on behalf of Paulie.

Paulie gets to cheat on Barbara without consequence and Barbara does not get to cheat on Paulie without risk of death. Not the healthiest relationship dynamic sure but I've seen the Sopranos so I know what the deal is for mob wives, Barbara certainly understands too.

I only have the in game information to go on, based on that I don't see how the MC can have any faith that Barbara won't pull something stupid in the future.

It's a porn game sure but my MC will never cheat with Barbara on Paulie. We know that she is greedy and reckless at best so dangerous to be with. It also undermines any moral authority the MC has over her and opens him up to all sorts of risk. Barbara is toxic to the MC who has all sorts of less risky and less compromised LI's falling all over him.

How would Daniela and Julia take finding out that their mom is cheating on their dad with their cousin (the same cousin they are both in love or at least lust with)? Any better than their mom being killed after pushing the family towards war with another mob and even putting her own daughters into harms way?

If they get caught it is still a death sentence for Barbara. I can't imagine it helping the MC's image with his family or his reputation as a future mafia don.

Paulie should probably die too but I am more forgiving of him since Barbara seems to be the mastermind and Frank owes Paulie way more than he owes Barbara.

 

[desmosome]

rev_01, you really like this VN and the dev and that is fine. All things considered, I also enjoyed this for the most part. Something like a 3.5/5 in my book.

This is a mafia story though. There are things we have come to expect from this world through all the movies, books, news, documentaries, etc. It's not a rainbow party where all we gotta worry about is getting some pussy. The narrative and actions of characters need to be believable within the setting and universe that is laid out. There are rules, customs, and expectations. Frank loves Paulie. Even after this incident, he could understand and still love him despite all his faults. But he would almost be obligated to give him the Kiss of Death here. If word of Paulie's stunt got out, which it obviously will since rival gangs are involved, and Frank didn't do anything about it, his leadership and authority would come into question. At the very least, Paulie should be exiled. Barbara, on the other hand, would get no such mercy.

 

[rev_01]

rev_01, you really like this VN and the dev and that is fine. All things considered, I also enjoyed this for the most part. Something like a 3.5/5 in my book.

This is a mafia story though. There are things we have come to expect from this world through all the movies, books, news, documentaries, etc. It's not a rainbow party where all we gotta worry about is getting some pussy. The narrative and actions of characters need to be believable within the setting and universe that is laid out. There are rules, customs, and expectations. Frank loves Paulie. Even after this incident, he could understand and still love him despite all his faults. But he would almost be obligated to give him the Kiss of Death here. If word of Paulie's stunt got out, which it obviously will since rival gangs are involved, and Frank didn't do anything about it, his leadership and authority would come into question. At the very least, Paulie should be exiled. Barbara, on the other hand, would get no such mercy.

Keep in mind, Barbara's death will be on MC's hands and his conscience. You can try to say it wouldn't be, but he'd be telling Frank which would be sentencing Barbara to death. That may not be something he particularly wishes to have happen, especially since he still considers Barbara family (She is his aunt after all), so it's a believable response for the MC to not want to share this information.

 

[desmosome]

Keep in mind, Barbara's death will be on MC's hands and his conscience. You can try to say it wouldn't be, but he'd be telling Frank which would be sentencing Barbara to death. That may not be something he particularly wishes to have happen, especially since he still considers Barbara family (She is his aunt after all), so it's a believable response for the MC to not want to share this information.

That would be believable if we want to view the MC as a giant incompetent dickwad who is just another MC of an incest game. Well, the MC does come off as sort of an idiot so you might be on to something.

All of your posts are coming from the POV of an incest game player that wants to preserve all the potential pussy in the game. Spare the aunt. Try not to make your incest targets mad at you. Etc. I'm not saying that's wrong. Everyone can play the game how they want to. It's absolutely not believable as a mafia story though.

 

[rev_01]

That would be believable if we want to view the MC as a giant incompetent dickwad who is just another MC of an incest game. Well, the MC does come off as sort of an idiot so you might be on to something.

All of your posts are coming from the POV of an incest game player that wants to preserve all the potential pussy in the game. Spare the aunt. Try not to make your incest targets mad at you. Etc. I'm not saying that's wrong. Everyone can play the game how they want to. It's absolutely not believable as a mafia story though.

I think you're viewing this as the fact the MC is already involved in the Mafia business and is prepared to do whatever it takes. Keep in mind, he's new to this. Very new. He barely knows the ropes and is still learning. One of the likely defining features of the MC will be his willingness to get input from those he trusts to gain a range of perspectives. If you confided in Mary, there's a scene there which helps to aid in the MCs actions. I also don't think the MC has come off as an idiot at all. He's certainly very intelligent as can be seen from his education and his ability to pick up on hints/clues. Also, I'm not preserving any pussy. I couldn't care less about the aunt and I don't really care about sex as much as story or romance. I'm describing the realistic decision a human being would make if they knew the consequence their decision would have. Any sane human being would pick the option where someone doesn't die and it's ludicrous to think just because it's a mafia game, the MC would do any differently, especially when he's just being introduced to the world.

 

[ZagorTeNay]

Yeaah, I need to rollback and go with multiple saves...the game is already flashing warnings you'll mess up if you try to go with several girls at once.
One thing though: Will any of three "business choices" affect your relationship with girls?

 

[Silk_Ari]

Yeaah, I need to rollback and go with multiple saves...the game is already flashing warnings you'll mess up if you try to go with several girls at once.
One thing though: Will any of three "business choices" affect your relationship with girls?

yes.

 

[Mmushy]

Wondering if this will be a mafia game with adult/porn content or an adult/porn game with mafia content.

If it's the former, i'll be ruthless as fuck and make sure I take down everyone that even looks at me wrong.
If it's the latter, i'll try to bed every female in the game.

 

[Silk_Ari]

I'll only say this about the current "betrayal" conversation. You guys seem to forget that he's just now dealing with this entire mafia thing. He was glad to be oblivious to it and had no intention of being part of it... but fate had other plans. He's still struggling with right and wrong. He's not naive anymore though, he know what would happen if he told Frank. And to think he would just condemn Barbara to death without feeling extremely guilty about it...or just even to have someone killed on whim, even if it was a major betrayal, well you guys are nuts. You really think any of you could order someone to death just like that? Yeah, sure.....

 

[desmosome]

I'll only say this about the current "betrayal" conversation. You guys seem to forget that he's just now dealing with this entire mafia thing. He was glad to be oblivious to it and had no intention of being part of it... but fate had other plans. He's still struggling with right and wrong. He's not naive anymore though, he know what would happen if he told Frank. And to think he would just condemn Barbara to death without feeling extremely guilty about it...or just even to have someone killed on whim, even if it was a major betrayal, well you guys are nuts. You really think any of you could order someone to death just like that? Yeah, sure.....

We are normal degenerates. He is the son of a powerful mob boss. No matter how much you stay away from the business, it's hard to believe anyone could be oblivious to what's going on unless they are bumbling idiots. It's hard enough to believe that a Sicilian/Italian mob boss wouldn't prepare his only son to take over eventually, but I can get behind that since The Mafia actually had some rules against nepotism despite what's often depicted in fiction.

The beginning is a bit fuzzy at this time, but what "fate" was it that entangled the MC into the Mafia life? It was largely by choice. He wanted some pussy so he stoop up to the lackies at the cafe. He wanted to help sis from getting bullied by the baker's son, so he went to inquire from Frank. Then he heard about the robbery and insisted that he go with Paulie. I don't know what fate has anything to do with this. And for someone who wanted to stay out of the business so much, he seems surprisingly eager and not even conflicted about the whole thing.

Betraying the family is like THE worst thing you can do. The MC, who is apparently competent enough for Frank to entrust with issues that can literally determine the fate of the Family, doesn't know or adhere to this rule? The MC would prefer to lie to and endanger his father's position to cover for a whore of an aunt who fills Paulie with ideas of betrayal and cheats on him with his underling? Does the MC not love and respect his father? Frank is no Vito Corleone, but he doesn't show any major flaws in character that would make the MC want to go over his head on such an important matter. What the MC is doing itself is one step away from betrayal. What is the MC doing in the mob if he can't even kill anyone? You know the initiation for being a Mafioso almost always involves killing someone.

Let's look at Michael Corleone. He wanted to stay out of the family business, with Vito's blessings. His resolve was very strong in this decision. But he loved and respected his father more than anything. Now HE was actually entangled by fate to join the family business due to the assassination attempts on his father. Michael immediately, with no prior experience with mob business, comes up with a plan to kill a cop and a rival boss responsible for the assassination attempts. Mind you, this was not the same Michael we see in Godfather II or towards the end of the first movie. He is still green and has his humanity, but he isn't so naive to think that he can keep his hands clean when joining the Mafia. He is not some idiot who thinks he can make decisions that go over his father. He confides in Vito the entire time on all serious matter. He is a believable character.

Comparing a porn game to The Godfather is like comparing DAZ art to Rembrandt, but well... the game obviously has influences from The Godfather. I apologize if I am sounding like an ass. I wouldn't even have bothered with the discussions if the game was not memorable or enjoyable in any way. I wish you the best of luck and I will drop this discussion here.

 

[wittnotyoyo]

Betraying the family is like THE worst thing you can do. The MC, who is apparently competent enough for Frank to entrust with issues that can literally determine the fate of the Family, doesn't know or adhere to this rule? The MC would prefer to lie to and endanger his father's position to cover for a whore of an aunt who fills Paulie with ideas of betrayal and cheats on him with his underling? Does the MC not love and respect his father? Frank is no Vito Corleone, but he doesn't show any major flaws in character that would make the MC want to go over his head on such an important matter. What the MC is doing itself is one step away from betrayal. What is the MC doing in the mob if he can't even kill anyone? You know the initiation for being a Mafioso almost always involves killing someone.

I just want to add that the betrayal has lead to the MC's mom and sister on lockdown in their house due to a very real threat to their lives.

If my aunt put my mom and siblings lives at risk through selfish and greedy action then I would be a lot less concerned about what her fate is. If I was taking over the family I can't imagine the aunt giving more reason to be offed than she has, maybe pointing a gun at Frank?

Barbara has also proven to be reckless and stupid, cheating on Paulie while the fallout from her previous caper is still ongoing is such an unnecessary risk. She must know the rules about mob wives who are caught cheating. Her behavior is a huge liability in a family that cannot afford it.

I can't see the MC ordering her death or anything at this point but taking the choice away from Frank has the possibility to blow up in so many ways all to save Barbara from a fate that she has earned at least twice over.

I'll only say this about the current "betrayal" conversation.

I don't mean to criticize. I enjoy the game and the characters which is why I enjoy analyzing and discussing. Looking forward to more.

 

[Mmushy]

Don't forget getting a personal visit from the angel of death himself and knowing your mom and sis can be murdered at anytime.
Mario needs to get whacked.
Aunty Barb needs to have an unfortunate accident
Uncle Paulie needs to learn his place and swear unfailing loyalty to MC.

 

[Milflover68]

Mario needs to get whacked.
Aunty Barb needs to have an unfortunate accident
Uncle Paulie needs to learn his place and swear unfailing loyalty to MC.

Just some minor correction my friend.
1. Mario needs to have an unfortunate accident not the aunty dearest. Why waste such a sexy model?
2. Make aunty MC's personal cum slut. Punish her for betrayal and cheating.
3. It will be awesome if aunty kills(arranges accident) mario to make mc happy.

 

[JayBog]

This game is soooo good. Glad I discovered it

 

[troll822]

You really think any of you could order someone to death just like that?

TOTALLY! I would do it before breakfast, get the news before dinner and go to bed nicely as if I checked the weather.

I am also not aware of what you're talking about since I am very early in the game. Like, halfway through chapter 1.

The game picked my interest with the story board that divides the scenes. I cannot afford to patronize but if it's as good as it builds up to be, I will give a good review at least.
And I actually like the approach you mentioned in that (spoilery) post of yours, with the MC not suddenly becoming as cold-hearted as to be able to easily call people to be executed.
As for the spoilers in your post, it's my fault for looking 47 pages into a thread. Of course there would be spoilers. Not to mention that betrayal in such a game is not that big of a spoiler.

 

[Paapi]

Expected release date of next update ?

 

[rev_01]

Expected release date of next update ?

We're planning to get it out hopefully around the 10th-13th of October

 

[Ayhsel]

This is absolutely fantastic! Got me super hooked in! I could spend more time giving it praise but I will just say congratulations to Dev for an amazing job! Hope you have a great success and the story is long as the quality is really amazing.

Honestly cannot believe how it does not have more support. This is definitely a better novel than most!