VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[TM | Twisted Games]

I think it ultimately comes down to a personal definition of NTR. How strict or loosely you interpret that category. Myself, I'm more strict with it. Some people have no problem with the physical sharing part (brothel), but they want the emotional/spiritual attachment to be exclusive for the MC. Others like myself who are more strict with their interpretation of NTR want both the physical and emotional/spiritual attachment to be exclusive to the MC.

I've played it through a good bit of it, but I couldn't get into it. Maybe someday I'll try again and "stomach" it all in one-go, but that is a personal problem for me, and not a reflection of the game. Ultimately it is from my definition of NTR. Even then, I think its fantastically-built, narrated and has some great story-elements to it.

At the end of the day, each individual has to decide for themselves what NTR is to them. Myself: more strict (Im a selfish bastasd); Others: May be more loosely interpreted. There isn't anything wrong with either.

No offense, but this is part of the problem. There is no 'personal' definition of NTR anymore than there is a personal definition of 'anal sex' they are words which have actual meanings.

 

[LonKirkPole]

I think it ultimately comes down to a personal definition of NTR. How strict or loosely you interpret that category. Myself, I'm more strict with it. Some people have no problem with the physical sharing part (brothel), but they want the emotional/spiritual attachment to be exclusive for the MC. Others like myself who are more strict with their interpretation of NTR want both the physical and emotional/spiritual attachment to be exclusive to the MC.

I've played it through a good bit of it, but I couldn't get into it. Maybe someday I'll try again and "stomach" it all in one-go, but that is a personal problem for me, and not a reflection of the game. Ultimately it is from my definition of NTR. Even then, I think its fantastically-built, narrated and has some great story-elements to it.

At the end of the day, each individual has to decide for themselves what NTR is to them. Myself: more strict (Im a selfish bastard); Others: May be more loosely interpreted. There isn't anything wrong with either.

Now that is very well put. I think I am on the side of loose with my interpret of NTR for me. I hate NTR that is with the emotional spiritual attachment to the MC, but I do not mind the physical sharing part of any game.

 

[Phase_01]

Man, I wish, but no matter how hard I try to bribe the creators...they just won't do it.

Damn too bad, bestiality Felicia route sounds fun
Also as long as Mina and Hana dont get fucked by someone else in front of MC, (unless we're given the option to order them to without dating them/non love route), I dont think it counts as NTR, if its prositution of girls that arent necessarily love interests. Thats how I see it at least.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Damn too bad, bestiality Felicia route sounds fun
Also as long as Mina and Hana dont get fucked by someone else in front of MC, (unless we're given the option to order them to without dating them/non love route), I dont think it counts as NTR, if its prositution of girls that arent necessarily love interests. Thats how I see it at least.

It would be interesting to see how far Felicia's sexual boundaries really expand

 

[munstre]

well then this game is not for me if they were faceless npcs I wouldnt mind, anyway thanks for answering my questions this quickly

IDK bro, if ur a strict vanilla only type of person and everything else throws you off then you're probably right but coming from someone who also dislikes NTR, I'd say give the game a try regardless, it's one of the good ones. The way the story is written it doesn't really feel like NTR most of the time, just the MC banging a bunch of chicks and there's pure love routes too that don't get NTR'd at all (so far).

 

[randomguy6516265165]

IDK bro, if ur a strict vanilla only type of person and everything else throws you off then you're probably right but coming from someone who also dislikes NTR, I'd say give the game a try regardless, it's one of the good ones. The way the story is written it doesn't really feel like NTR most of the time, just the MC banging a bunch of chicks and there's pure love routes too that don't get NTR'd at all (so far).

I get that this game is well written a such but I dont like sharing or seeing girls with other dudes in "my game"

 

[munstre]

I get that this game is well written a such but I dont like sharing or seeing girls with other dudes in "my game"

aight, u do u

 

[Deleted member 2199070]

No offense, but this is part of the problem. There is no 'personal' definition of NTR anymore than there is a personal definition of 'anal sex' they are words which have actual meanings.

I think I understand what you are saying. I would argue that you should view it more under the question: "Would you consider the "cheating" action to cause emotional pain to the MC?" Like my previous post, if it is a more strict interpretation, some people get the emotional/spiritual pain from either the physical and/or emotional aspects. Other with a more loose interpretation, those people may only get the pain from the emotional aspect.

 

[ThatGuyWithaAfro]

There is no NTR. There are 5 main girls, 6 if we include Kat. Felica, Ver, Rose, Hana. Mina. Rose 'gets' with Ian only if you decide it. Ian can 'play
' with Felcia abit only if you decide it. And mina is Ian's girlfriend so that is netori.

Stop making discussions about nothing. this isn't a straight vanilla game and I like it. If you see rose getting depraved by Ian, you chose to see it and now have a hate boner... deal with it..

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

I think I understand what you are saying. I would argue that you should view it more under the question: "Would you consider the "cheating" action to cause emotional pain to the MC?" Like my previous post, if it is a more strict interpretation, some people get the emotional/spiritual pain from either the physical and/or emotional aspects. Other with a more loose interpretation, those people may only get the pain from the emotional aspect.

That's fair enough, then you're talking about subjective emotions, and I agree. In fact, that's why almost no game can have NTR for me, because I try to keep my MC from getting emotionally attached to any woman, and therefor, the more sex for everybody the better.

 

[preskerd]

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[MilesEdgeworth]

my two fav games going public on the same day? thank goodness this is a 3 day weekend

 

[Lunarmist]

Does this works with public version?

Yes

 

[TD1900]

please forgive me but im very confused this game is about running a brothel but there's no NTR tag so does that mean theres no NTR content ?

But please explain to me what is NTR then, as for me there is. You get to see girls you get to fuck having sex with other dudes in this game.

This is a black hole of a topic. See this earlier post by me for why I don't think the game qualifies.

However, if you're skittishly asking because that dreaded three letter word sends you into a tizzy, it's likely you won't enjoy our project all the same. Naturally, I would selfishly say give it a chance regardless, but be forewarned: the game's central premise is still a sex competition where three out of the five heroines compete for the viewing pleasure of a crowd of horny old men.

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It will, with a good chance, contain things that likely put you off no matter how you define a Japanese loan word whose definition gets stretched so thin that it's become worthless.

idk man, a girl taking initiative cannot really be called femdom. This game doesnt need a femdom tag.

I agree, and the tag has been more trouble than it's worth to be honest. It was technically added cause there's a decent portion of lezdom, but I don't think very many people have that in mind when they see that tag.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

So i see a lot of comments stating that the MC only gets romantically involved with 1 of the girls, but how many of the girls does he have sex with?
And does he keep having sex with those girls even after getting together romantically with one of them?

Who said that?
There are five possible romantic interests in the game: Felicia, Hana, Mina, Rosalind and Veronica.

 

[dolfe67]

I know, but Mc can only get with one of them romantically at a time, so i was wondering if i can choose one of the girls to be Mcs romantic partner while at the same time having sexual relationship with the rest of the girls?

No, no one said that. You can pursue multiple girls romantically and have sex with them (at your choices with which ones, unless during exhibitions where sex scenes are forced). It's just not a harem game, so ultimately you will have to choose a girl (or no one) sometime near the end

 

[HSHS1111]

Well I could envision a bi-curious Mina to end up together with Edwin and either Hana or Veronica. But whether they get their full blown ending or it only culminates in a sex scene or two will remain to be seen. AFAIK the devs have not confirmed or denied either way.

 

[Narutoerza999]

Is there a compressed version?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Is there a compressed version?

Go to the request area and ask for a compressed version there.

 

[e250vhf22]

But please explain to me what is NTR then, as for me there is. You get to see girls you get to fuck having sex with other dudes in this game.

We need a not-OCTRA tag or something for people people like you. Because the more you guys use the NTR the more it loses its proper meaning.

NTR has a specific meaning, roughly, "the action to steal a loved one". It gets a visceral response from people because it requires there to be something real (love, loyalty, trust) relationship that can be destroyed. In the end LI tramples on relationship and prefers the interloper even if sexual relationship had begun on dubious grounds (rape, blackmail etc.). It's not the sense of betrayal that gives the oomph to the emotional punch(though it's required), it's the hit to the self esteem, implication that you never made your partner trully happy despite your "love", "loyalty" and/or "personal sacrifice". What really mattered was sexual prowess and you were never good enough. In fact you were so incompetent that your loved prefers a disgusting rapist bastard over you (I am exaggerating for effect). That is what NTR is. It sows seeds of doubt that no relationship no matter how perfect they are can be secure if one is not a sex god. It feeds on tiny dick energy. Insecurities, inferiority complexes, etc.

Whole "personal interpretation" nonsense is that "one cock to rule them all" (octra) people can't let other play with their toys. Their gripe comes from jealousy and possessiveness. It's somewhat pedestrian compared to NTR. But "cheating" doesn't rile up the porn addicts enlightened connoisseurs of adult material so they pick the word that gets response from people. Like how uninformed vegans go meat is "murder". It's an ignorant kid using a swearword because it gets reaction from adults.

This game does not have NTR (so far). Everybody is in it for themselves and they have their own priorities over relationships. There is nobody to steal, no proper relationship with Edwin. (well there is one but I prefer devs don't go there. But it would create a biblical meltdown in game and meta.).