I feel you at that one. But since i started to the party fairly late i got Minas Content in my first walkthrough. but if you are early waiting for updates and some interesting stuff takes ages to happen i understand the feeling of frustration.
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Started just barely a week ago, and this is one of my most favorite images of the game lmao!
This game definitely needs more exposure, it's honestly a great game. Funny dialogue, good writing, characters with their own thoughts and personalities.... not to mention they are insanely fucking attractive! (My faves are, of course, Mina and Hana)
Can't wait to see more!
Hi!And to those who like Mina, always remember: "If she cheats with you, she will cheat on you."
This is a sentence far too few players keep in mind. I am a fan of Mina (even if among the "mains" Hana and Feli rank higher for me), but that is always in the back of my head and being a bro, thus I tried to help Mina and Ian to sort out their problems, being a friend to both.
Considering this is a game about corruption, early Mina is a honeytrap in my opinion. It is one thing to come together AFTER Mina and Killian break up, but to help her cheating and sabotage the relationship of your one true friend (no matter how problematic this was due to Ian´s actions) will have consequences down the road.
With Mina you have a first major, if under the surface, test of your moral compass. As said, it is one thing to pursue Mina after she breaks up with Ian, but before they break up I doubt the Karma you get for this will be good.
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Statistically speaking, Mina has cheated on 100% of her boyfriends.
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I think context very much matters in this case.
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Agreed. I consider boyfriend-girlfriend (or for that matter boyfriend-boyfriend, girlfriend-girlfriend, and any other gender identity-gender identity) relationships that have an implicit or explicit presumption of monogamy to follow something like contract law, much like a marriage does. Let's say Party A, call it "Killian" for simplicity's sake, enters a contract with Party B, called "Mina" hereafter, which implies monogamy and essentially no other guarantees. If "Killian" materially breaches that contract repeatedly and egregiously, then the contract must be remedied. Specific performance wouldn't work. "Killian" can't unfuck the maid. Financial damages and restitution could be accepted to remedy the breach in order enter a new contract, but "Mina" would have to agree to that remedy if offered. "Mina" doesn't seem like the materialistic, gold-digger type. With those other remedies ruled out, the contract is immediately cancelled. I suppose that specific performance could work, but "Killian" would have to agree to let "Mina" fuck around too to balance the scales. You would probably argue that a contract that guarantees monogamy and nothing else is void if the parties are no longer monogamous. But whether cancelled or remedied through specific performance, "Mina" didn't cheat. She was either on a free pass or single the minute she found out about "Killian's" cheating, possibly earlier depending on what ontological and epistemological frameworks can be argued.
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I've only gotten manipulative vibes from Killian from the start, man has serious issues. While the main character isn't exactly saintly or of clear conscience himself, he was fulfilling the needs of a friend caught in an unfaithful relationship. While I wouldn't really call Mina's focused attempts at the main character cheating, though getting down with her before she officially broke it off with Ian made me doubt myself a little, in my eyes she was trying to escape from her boyfriend trying(proceeding) to bang any woman within arms reach.
Anyway, I'm excited to see the consequences, whatever they may be.
Anyway, I'm excited to see the consequences, whatever they may be.
Interesting versions of a whitewash attempt! Two wrongs do not make a right! Mina could have ended the relationship directly, instead of cheating herself with your help.
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I mean, call it what you want, and while I respect your commitment to your ethics, my argument is that there aren't wrongs by both parties. The first dozen or so wrongs were all Ian's, and those wrongs voided the contract with Mina.
Are you telling me that if you find out your wife cheated, that you have to wait for the divorce to go through before you bang the hot grad student down the street (the one who's into cosplay)? Hell no! You shouldn't even wait for your wife to come home from work. Just call your lawyer to get him working on the papers, then march guilt-free down the street and give that little slut what she's been asking for since the Hadidi's Christmas party in '19... I mean, that's what I would do.
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She legit hugged him, she threw herself at nobody and yes ian still fucked over mina multiple times before she even thought about leaving him.Always sad when somebody says Ian is the asshole - and then they go and cuck their best friend. Also Mina threw herself at her boyfriends best friend (the MC) starting from the first meeting in the cafe. Not such a good girl.
Just a game though. But if thats how people see things IRL...
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As if she didnt know about the club and his multiple transgressions before that tape? The tape was just the last straw. She only asked the mc to go shopping because ian wouldnt go with her. It wasnt like she asked him first.
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I was actually trying to reply to both of you, but didn't quote you both by mistake.-
(Edit: oh, your post was actually adressing Turret, my mistake)
Sure, fully agree. For me the difference is that she still considered herself Ian's girlfriend (and acted like it) and the MC needed to press her in the tub to end it asap iirc.
btw your example sounded suspiciously specific
That's a very good point. However, I did feel like Mina's character was a little dissociative in that whole scene, which I took as shock at her carefully maintained reality crumbling and the process of finding herself in the aftermath. It didn't seem like she was really averse to breaking up with Ian, but like it wasn't something she really thought about yet. I don't know... I like Mina's character and feel like labelling her a cheater is too extreme given the circumstances.
And yea, you should have seen that dress. It was pretty inappropriate for a neighborhood Christmas party...
[Edit: redacted my drunken oversharing]
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Lol you don't get at all what honey trapping is. Go educate yourself
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Wow, you are really a "polite" one! I know full well what a honeytrap is, which is why I used it here. The early Mina is a honeytrap laid out by TD, to see what we players do in the situation. Do we help our friends, do we sabotage them, do nothing....
And to get real reactions from us players, Mina needed to be a nice person generally, because if we didn´t care about her, we would not do much.
Sorry if this come off as strong, but i also want to discuss this here to defend Mina actions.
kinda getting the vibe that everyone think cheating as like
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As a guy with open view, i think the idea itself is just as fucked up as any characters in this game, why she get karma? there will be consequences for her to try to be happy, because the target is her boyfriend's friend?? i've been cheated twice my life, first love and second love, so i can say Mina actions are way too meek, she's pretty much slap on the wrist of someone who stabs her back multiple times.
There are some important point, which i see while going through the game
1) Mina feel like she cannot trust ian, but he's her first, after an all girl school.
2) and she have never dated any other man, while ian fuck many other girls, which she knew, so it's not monogamy relationship in the first place.
3) Most IMPORTANT, Mina setting is that she's NOT the monogamy type either, she is a wild card and wouldn't mind an orgy itself if was comfortable enough, the only reason why she never done it is cuz she's doesn't feel safe enough with Ian.
4) to MC, friends are all important the same, old or new, proof is how he doesn't really remember bro's memories with Ian, mostly just Ian's affection toward MC from past event, so Mina is equally important to him, they're the only friend he have, seeing her unhappy with everything Ian did was hurting him too.
5) Ian is excited to watch Mina and MC kiss each other during the game, fine with MC being naked in front of her.
6) they're not married
twisted coupled, but not married, also only 10 months long7) Attention, most important part here, MC is strong enough to resist the temptation at the club, and she have never really actively seduce him, kiss him during the game because he make her feel safe (which ian never do), ian okays with it and it's part of her personality, same with peeking, all the way to ian cheating part discovered. she didn't make an active approached, and MC make his choice "fuck it, i'm going along" (which is you actually)
After all things considered, i feel players should feel the action more deeply and not judge because you're used to having one guy who can have many girls but once a girl is with another guy it's unacceptable, close friend or not, why is that? Why blame Mina for consequences, if there is even any at all?
I mean, for me really, with these guys personality, what do you expect the result to be after MC try to mend Mina and Ian relationship? it just gonna be a threesome with both of them banging her down along the line in the end, or foursome, if others are involved,
none of these guys NEED a normal relationship. None
Thanks for reading this long ass essay.
So much text for a misunderstanding, that is quite funny! If you read my post correctly, you will see that I mentioned bad Karma in relation to the MC mostly, less Mina, even if she gets some too if you and her cheat on Ian. How we players act on this is TD´s first major moral test of the game, just not in the face type.Sorry if this come off as strong, but i also want to discuss this here to defend Mina actions.
kinda getting the vibe that everyone think cheating as like .
As a guy with open view, i think the idea itself is just as fucked up as any characters in this game, why she get karma? there will be consequences for her to try to be happy, because the target is her boyfriend's friend?? i've been cheated twice my life, first love and second love, so i can say Mina actions are way too meek, she's pretty much slap on the wrist of someone who stabs her back multiple times.
There are some important point, which i see while going through the game
1) Mina feel like she cannot trust ian, but he's her first, after an all girl school.
2) and she have never dated any other man, while ian fuck many other girls, which she knew, so it's not monogamy relationship in the first place.
3) Most IMPORTANT, Mina setting is that she's NOT the monogamy type either, she is a wild card and wouldn't mind an orgy itself if was comfortable enough, the only reason why she never done it is cuz she's doesn't feel safe enough with Ian.
4) to MC, friends are all important the same, old or new, proof is how he doesn't really remember bro's memories with Ian, mostly just Ian's affection toward MC from past event, so Mina is equally important to him, they're the only friend he have, seeing her unhappy with everything Ian did was hurting him too.
5) Ian is excited to watch Mina and MC kiss each other during the game, fine with MC being naked in front of her.
6) they're not married
7) Attention, most important part here, MC is strong enough to resist the temptation at the club, and she have never really actively seduce him, kiss him during the game because he make her feel safe (which ian never do), ian okays with it and it's part of her personality, same with peeking, all the way to ian cheating part discovered. she didn't make an active approached, and MC make his choice "fuck it, i'm going along" (which is you actually)
After all things considered, i feel players should feel the action more deeply and not judge because you're used to having one guy who can have many girls but once a girl is with another guy it's unacceptable, close friend or not, why is that? Why blame Mina for consequences, if there is even any at all?
I mean, for me really, with these guys personality, what do you expect the result to be after MC try to mend Mina and Ian relationship? it just gonna be a threesome with both of them banging her down along the line in the end, or foursome, if others are involved,
none of these guys NEED a normal relationship. None
Thanks for reading this long ass essay.
I once again say that two wrongs do not make a right. Ian certainly needs a wake-up call (which we can at least partly give him) and is the one responsible for what is coming his way, but that still does not make cheating right.
As we could see during the birthday truth or dare, Ian would have been ok with Mina doing it with Edwin, but openly, not like tihs. As said, it is one thing if Edwin and Mina come together after the break up or if Edwin helps Mina cheating. Esp. since we should not forget that there is the posibility that Ian (if he starts manning up and thinks about the future) and Mina might make up later on in the game.
But personally, I can even see an epilogue with Ian teaching History at a school or university and being in a relationship with Viktoria or Mina.
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Carl0sDanger posted one a couple weeks ago if you need it, but you should read Biscardone's reminder right below the post that I linked. It would take no time at all to play through again with your own choices, rather than someone else's, by right-clicking on the skip button within the quick menu.anyone has savefile for start of chap 4?
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Merely a debate which is what we do on these boards. Mina's at worse a very naive girl who was likely in way over her head with ian which is why she let him got away with so much. Only interaction of hers that I found really problematic was the acting scene. Now MC on the other hand is doing some really lowdown stuff creeping on his buddys girl cuz he knows what hes doing every step of the way but tries to justify it when he should be helping his friend-
Sorry, I may have wanted to argue a bit there.
But mainly I wrote these things because I see a lot of guys turning a blind eye to flaws of beautiful women and possibly setting themselves up for future pain.
Then again it's not really my problem, and I can accept if you see things differently.
I genuinly wish you well.
Cheers
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