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Sorry, I may have wanted to argue a bit there.

But mainly I wrote these things because I see a lot of guys turning a blind eye to flaws of beautiful women and possibly setting themselves up for future pain.

Then again it's not really my problem, and I can accept if you see things differently.

I genuinly wish you well. :)

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Merely a debate which is what we do on these boards. Mina's at worse a very naive girl who was likely in way over her head with ian which is why she let him got away with so much. Only interaction of hers that I found really problematic was the acting scene. Now MC on the other hand is doing some really lowdown stuff creeping on his buddys girl cuz he knows what hes doing every step of the way but tries to justify it when he should be helping his friend
 
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Merely a debate which is what we do on these boards. Mina's at worse a very naive girl who was likely in way over her head with ian which is why she got away with so much. Only interaction of hers that I found really problematic was the acting scene. Now MC on the other hand is doing some really lowdown stuff creeping on his buddys girl cuz he knows what hes doing every step of the way but tries to justify it when he should be helping his friend
Well, we can opt out of Edwin pursuing Mina. It's not really Edwin that's to blame. It all of us, like depraved gods, puppeteering poor Edwin into these immoral, traitorous acts.
 

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Well, we can opt out of Edwin pursuing Mina. It's not really Edwin that's to blame. It all of us, like depraved gods, puppeteering poor Edwin into these immoral, traitorous acts.
What is exactly that I did in my "canon" playthrough! I try to be a friend for both. And this is why I said that Mina can be a moral honeytrap. We can pursue her, we can stay friends, we can pursue her after(!) she breaks up with Ian or even ignore her. No matter what we do as players, it says something about us as far as our specific "canon" playthrough on this topic.
 
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Sorry, I may have wanted to argue a bit there.

But mainly I wrote these things because I see a lot of guys turning a blind eye to flaws of beautiful women and possibly setting themselves up for future pain.

Then again it's not really my problem, and I can accept if you see things differently.

I genuinly wish you well. :)

Cheers
Sorry but I think this is a bad take and its not just 'turning a blind eye to flaws of beautiful women'. I view Mina's actions as a natural consequence about the shit she has had to deal with being with a mentally abusive boyfriend. If sh was in a happy relationship and if Ian was not such a cunt, I genuinely dont think anything would have happened between Mina and the MC during the acting scene.

If you keep abusing people over and over and treat them like dirt, they will try to push back a little. Mina's only fault here is that she was an idiot and a doormat - but given this was her first relationship it is believable. I was certainly an idiot during my first relationship - you dont know what your boundaries are or when to say no. If you hit the jackpot and find a good partner, you grow together however if you end up with someone abusive, it is easy for your partner to take advantage of you.
 

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So much text for a misunderstanding, that is quite funny! If you read my post correctly, you will see that I mentioned bad Karma in relation to the MC mostly, less Mina, even if she gets some too if you and her cheat on Ian. How we players act on this is TD´s first major moral test of the game, just not in the face type.
I once again say that two wrongs do not make a right. Ian certainly needs a wake-up call (which we can at least partly give him) and is the one responsible for what is coming his way, but that still does not make cheating right.
As we could see during the birthday truth or dare, Ian would have been ok with Mina doing it with Edwin, but openly, not like tihs. As said, it is one thing if Edwin and Mina come together after the break up or if Edwin helps Mina cheating. Esp. since we should not forget that there is the posibility that Ian (if he starts manning up and thinks about the future) and Mina might make up later on in the game.
But personally, I can even see an epilogue with Ian teaching History at a school or university and being in a relationship with Viktoria or Mina.
i wasn't attacking your post, it just have the most info so i quoted it.
Counting Mina action as cheating is only right under heavy moral culture influenced, i'm asian too but live in a western environment all my life so i know where you're coming from, but to most her action are very mild and it should not at all a problem with open minded friends which illustrated in the game.
I am bad, i want her to be happy, she's happy with my friend and he can make her happy the way i can, i can entrust her to him without worrying about her being sad like when she's with me
, this is normal, even romantic dramas illustrate it many times, even when they didn't break up yet, it's already over.

And you ask why the hell Mina didn't breakup first before doing things to our MC, well, why didn't Ian do it? Saying two wrong doesn't make a right is only an alternative way of saying "Ian was wrong, but whos care, She shouldn't do it because i don't accept her doing that just because the others did", like heck no,

I don't stab someone in the back because they haven't hurt me before, so i shouldn't, and that good.
But if someone stab my back multiple times already, i think i should have the options, if i don't stab them back and forgive them and move on and be good and be saint, well that's good. BUT i should have option to choose to do whatever the hell i want, break them, stab them back, date their friends, hurt them, cheat them, or forgive them, that my choice, it's punishment, whether that punishment is on me or the person stabbing me, doesn't matter, no one should be allowed to judge it, Like, why the hell does Mina have to think about how everyone feel, carefully choose what to do, what to say, how to act for that "consequences" that might or might not happening, when she is hurt herself? and she should do this, should do that, it's morally right, blah blah, you should try replay the game and make choices so MC have sex with her, what she said during that times is enough for me to defend her choice, and i am a man, not even woman.

Ian already broken, the only way he can heal and become teacher like you said is by Mina leaving his life, which make him rethink about his life now that he's lost something important by his own hand, then he can reflect, develope to be better

Right or wrong is only based on individual perspective in her case, i'm just a deep thinker
 
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I don't know how to say this without sounding haughty, but women just do their lowdown stuff differently. Women (Mina) do it subtly if they want a guy - making beautiful eyes, being a bit more affectionate than to others, show their good traits of personality, showing off their body, dress nicely, try to create possibilties for meeting you, try to get you to know and like their family, get intimate, treat you only with their best behaviour, try to bond through letting you in on private matters - for guys they don't want they make zero effort. And Mina did all of this.

So yes, Ian did wrong first and more often (as far as we know), but then you just stop and end the relationship.

If you don't, and instead go on and treat your partner badly, and you can find all kinds of reasoning, than you have done wrong yourself. At least in my books. And trying to get your partners best friend to fall for you - and then cheat with him, thats some really lowdown stuff there. Not much worse you can do to your partner than cheat and destroy his best friendship. And IMO Mina did more for the escalation with Edwin than him - just with her womanly ways and female charm.

She even wears the f****ing dress you choose! :WaitWhat:

She couldn't have done worse to Ian if she fucked his dad! Edwin is the most important person in his life.

If you can't see it or don't want to see it, I don't know what to say.

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So what Mina does and what the MC does if you go after her (agree with you there) - is IMO pretty much the most fucked up shit you can do to a romantic partner/best friend.

So Mina is not real, but our attitudes towards human actions are.

Wall of text :HideThePain:
Ian is not the wronged one in this relationship. Hell, Mina wasnt even trying to seduce edwin until after he did her dirty for the last time. Her being a people pleaser which she obviously is does not mean she was trying to fuck Edwin it just means what it means. Shes extremely naive compared to everybody else in this story and did not know how to get out of the relationship. Hell if Edwin didnt come along, shed still be in said shitty relationship silently suffering. As for doing horrible things if her fucking edwin is bad then what is his fucking Veronica?
 
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I don't know how to say this without sounding haughty, but women just do their lowdown stuff differently. Women (Mina) do it subtly if they want a guy - making beautiful eyes, being a bit more affectionate than to others, show their good traits of personality, showing off their body, dress nicely, try to create possibilties for meeting you, try to get you to know and like their family, get intimate, treat you only with their best behaviour, try to bond through letting you in on private matters - for guys they don't want they make zero effort. And Mina did all of this.

So yes, Ian did wrong first and more often (as far as we know), but then you just stop and end the relationship.

If you don't, and instead go on and treat your partner badly, and you can find all kinds of reasoning, than you have done wrong yourself. At least in my books. And trying to get your partners best friend to fall for you - and then cheat with him, thats some really lowdown stuff there. Not much worse you can do to your partner than cheat and destroy his best friendship. And IMO Mina did more for the escalation with Edwin than him - just with her womanly ways and female charm.

She even wears the f****ing dress you choose! :WaitWhat:

She couldn't have done worse to Ian if she fucked his dad! Edwin is the most important person in his life.

If you can't see it or don't want to see it, I don't know what to say.

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So what Mina does and what the MC does if you go after her (agree with you there) - is IMO pretty much the most fucked up shit you can do to a romantic partner/best friend.

So Mina is not real, but our attitudes towards human actions are.

Wall of text :HideThePain:
My moral explanation:
- Mina is a total babe
- Mina is cute
- Mina is fucking hot




- I don't like Ian. (I get it, they had this friendship, but I'm trying to end it.)
:D
 

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Started just barely a week ago, and this is one of my most favorite images of the game lmao!

This game definitely needs more exposure, it's honestly a great game. Funny dialogue, good writing, characters with their own thoughts and personalities.... not to mention they are insanely fucking attractive! (My faves are, of course, Mina and Hana)

Can't wait to see more!
how high does your point needs to be to get this line? i dont think i ever have it
 
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Depends on the type of NTR you are referring to.

However the game is set in a brothel and 3 of the 5 main girls are prostituting themselves. However these 3 girls are not love interests and were never introduced as such so it is not NTR.

Of the 2 other main girls one is in a relationship at the start of the game and she ends up breaking up with him afterwards. Before she formally breaks up, you have the option to cuck her boyfriend so there is that kind of NTR. However even here, her boyfriend does not really give two shits about her so I dont know if you can even call it NTR.

I guess in the endings for the asshole route you may be able to make the girls fuck the dirty old bastards however the focus of the game is corruption and depravity of the MC where he turns into an evil person who enjoys inflicting pain for the sake of it. The focus is not on cuckoldry and I dont see the game ever focusing on it as a fetish for the asshole routes the focus will likely be on sadism instead.
 
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