VN Ren'Py Completed Picture Perfect [v1.0] [SuperWriter]

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

In the book that the game script is based on the 'healthy breakfast' is described as tofu, is tofu healthy? I have no idea, never tried it. But the writing in the book is better than in the game even though it's the same writer? How is that even possible?

 

[Skylaroo]

But the writing in the book is better than in the game even though it's the same writer? How is that even possible?

Book and games basically two very different media types that require different style of writing. It can be said that the game struggles to find the balance between what it's showing and what it's writing.

 

[Pitrik]

Why didn't I write anything here? I immediately remedy by saying Sasha forever

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

Why didn't I write anything here? I immediately remedy by saying Sasha forever

Hands off, she's mine!

 

[Pitrik]

Hands off, she's mine!

 

[mpror]

My rant for today:

I rly dont understand people who have to make a review off a demo or a 0.1 to 0.3 versions of the game. If u keep updating the review, its not an issue.

But if you arent, What are u actually reviewing? 5 tot 10% of the game? And if not everytime, 99% of the time people like that say stuff like: its buggy or there isnt much content.. no shit sherlock, i dont have to actually play a demo to know there isnt gonna be much content to begin with or that it could be buggy. that it, in no way shape of form represents anything of a complete game.

And a lot of the times its those reviews who fuck up the overal score of the game. if a game has a strong start: lots of 5 stars but gets dull after but is still rated 4 stars cause of those idiots who think yh playing a demo should reflect the overall score of the game when its finished?? u guys got nothing bettter to do???

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

My rant for today:

I rly dont understand people who have to make a review off a demo or a 0.1 to 0.3 versions of the game. If u keep updating the review, its not an issue.

But if you arent, What are u actually reviewing? 5 tot 10% of the game? And if not everytime, 99% of the time people like that say stuff like: its buggy or there isnt much content.. no shit sherlock, i dont have to actually play a demo to know there isnt gonna be much content to begin with or that it could be buggy. that it, in no way shape of form represents anything of a complete game.

And a lot of the times its those reviews who fuck up the overal score of the game. if a game has a strong start: lots of 5 stars but gets dull after but is still rated 4 stars cause of those idiots who think yh playing a demo should reflect the overall score of the game when its finished?? u guys got nothing bettter to do???

Thanks for saying that. For the 2 who have rated it poorly, I don't think they've given the story a real shot having only played the demo. If you still want to say it sucks after having at least played 2 or 3 updates, I totally respect that.

 

[Skylaroo]

My rant for today:

I rly dont understand people who have to make a review off a demo or a 0.1 to 0.3 versions of the game.

You have legit point if your rant is not only directed at those who reviewed the demo poorly. But you have not mentioned anything whatsoever about those who reviewed demo positively. The problem here is that you simply dislike that there are people (including myself) who reviewed a demo poorly but have no problem whatsoever if the review is positive.

As to why I reviewed a demo, I think first impression definitely matters. It's also important to mention the good and bad early before it's too late to make changes. Look at "Being a DIK" which is only at version 0.2 and yet already attracted 145 reviews at 4.5-star rating. Good quality means good quality even before version 0.3.

The failure in this game's demo, IMO, is simply there's not enough care being put into it. It's basically character introduction where each of the character behaves similarly though they were meant to have different characteristics. Then there's also the lack of the storyline whatsoever in the demo. Why is there no story introduction during a demo? I have absolutely no idea. The demo can be summed up into "Here are 3 girls, look at the panties of 1, the boobs of 2, and jerk off behind 3".

The purpose of a demo is to showcase what's to expect, and this demo is completely failing to achieve that IMO. And especially made worse by the over-promise at the beginning of the game.

For the 2 who have rated it poorly, I don't think they've given the story a real shot having only played the demo.

It'd be great if there's actually any story element in the demo. Why is there no mention at all about MC potentially losing the house on the demo when it's the plot of the game? It's really weird.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

You have legit point if your rant is not only directed at those who reviewed the demo poorly. But you have not mentioned anything whatsoever about those who reviewed demo positively. The problem here is that you simply dislike that there are people (including myself) who reviewed a demo poorly but have no problem whatsoever if the review is positive.

As to why I reviewed a demo, I think first impression definitely matters. It's also important to mention the good and bad early before it's too late to make changes. Look at "Being a DIK" which is only at version 0.2 and yet already attracted 145 reviews at 4.5-star rating. Good quality means good quality even before version 0.3.

The failure in this game's demo, IMO, is simply there's not enough care being put into it. It's basically character introduction where each of the character behaves similarly though they were meant to have different characteristics. Then there's also the lack of the storyline whatsoever in the demo. Why is there no story introduction during a demo? I have absolutely no idea. The demo can be summed up into "Here are 3 girls, look at the panties of 1, the boobs of 2, and jerk off behind 3".

The purpose of a demo is to showcase what's to expect, and this demo is completely failing to achieve that IMO. And especially made worse by the over-promise at the beginning of the game.


It'd be great if there's actually any story element in the demo. Why is there no mention at all about MC potentially losing the house on the demo when it's the plot of the game? It's really weird.

I agree with you on there shouldn't be any positive reviews on the game if there are no negative reviews.

And of course first impresion matters. If you go through the comments, this game has much more positive feedback than negative. Not saying that to brag, but all those people didn't leave positive ratings when they easily could have because they're waiting to see more, having just gotten the demo.

Picture Perfect focuses on the 3 girls, so of course it was important to introduce them and get a glimpse into their daily lives. Yes, the MC potentially losing the house is a plot point, but hardly the main focus. When you read the overview, I think it's clear the game is about a photographer who lives with his daughters - their lives. I couldn't shoehorn the entire storyline into the demo. IT'S COMING lol.

But this is a character driven novel about the daughters and a couple heroines not introduced yet and their lives. Not how the MC is having financial trouble. So I apologise if that's the impression you got.

And this game is a DEMO, not version .2 or .3, so I don't really think it's fair to compare it to to a game further along.

 

[nobrumski]

And this game is a DEMO, not version .2 or .3, so I don't really think it's fair to compare it to to a game further along.

There are two types of demos though. There are those that are vertical slices of the game to show you possible events and interactions that happen over a longer timeline and there are demos which are literally just the first 15 minutes or so of playtime.

Previously you said this was the beginning of the game so while it has the demo tag you also are saying this is what to expect when you first launch picture perfect.

Demos also tend to be more of a finished product. Even if the game isn't complete the demo will be polished enough to be put out there with the goal of attracting players. Usually game companies stop working on the game to make such a demo. Most game studios no longer do demos since they found no upside and instead went with an early access model so they could attract early players while not having to polish a demo which could in the end show off stuff that doesn't make it into the final game.

Maybe this should have an Alpha tag instead especially if at some point the demo tag will be removed once a certain milestone is hit.

 

[Skylaroo]

And of course first impresion matters. If you go through the comments, this game has much more positive feedback than negative.

Then stop being so insecure about the rating for God's sake. If you feel there's much more positive feedback than negative, then be confident in your game and stop worrying about the few that think negatively about your demo to the point of sending me PM asking me to amend my 2-star review of the demo.

Not saying that to brag, but all those people didn't leave positive ratings when they easily could have because they're waiting to see more, having just gotten the demo.

Or maybe they didn't find the demo so good to the point of wanting to leave a review. Who knows. I can't speak for them.

Picture Perfect focuses on the 3 girls, so of course it was important to introduce them and get a glimpse into their daily lives. Yes, the MC potentially losing the house is a plot point, but hardly the main focus. When you read the overview, I think it's clear the game is about a photographer who lives with his daughters - their lives. I couldn't shoehorn the entire storyline into the demo. IT'S COMING lol.

But this is a character driven novel about the daughters and a couple heroines not introduced yet and their lives. Not how the MC is having financial trouble. So I apologise if that's the impression you got.

Alright if it's just about a guy living with his daughters, then yeah I think it's even more disappointing. For the longest time, people always make fun of porn's story because they were badly written. Same with adult games, I prefer the game to have actual good plot. Reading the overview, I was hoping the game would actually be about the financial struggle and how that impacted MC's relationships with his daughters. My expectation was high because you came from a writing background and you promised a lot during the opening of the game. Instead, you're just making a game about 1 guy and multiple women, basically making your game sounding exactly like one of those mediocre games with ok models and lackluster story.

I didn't expect you to shoehorn the entire storyline into the demo, but I didn't expect to have zero storyline in the demo either.

And this game is a DEMO, not version .2 or .3, so I don't really think it's fair to compare it to to a game further along.

I was replying to the other person who said people should not review anything before 0.3. I'm not comparing the quality of your demo vs BADIK 0.2.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

Then stop being so insecure about the rating for God's sake. If you feel there's much more positive feedback than negative, then be confident in your game and stop worrying about the few that think negatively about your demo to the point of sending me PM asking me to amend my 2-star review of the demo.


Or maybe they didn't find the demo so good to the point of wanting to leave a review. Who knows. I can't speak for them.


Alright if it's just about a guy living with his daughters, then yeah I think it's even more disappointing. For the longest time, people always make fun of porn's story because they were badly written. Same with adult games, I prefer the game to have actual good plot. Reading the overview, I was hoping the game would actually be about the financial struggle and how that impacted MC's relationships with his daughters. My expectation was high because you came from a writing background and you promised a lot during the opening of the game. Instead, you're just making a game about 1 guy and multiple women, basically making your game sounding exactly like one of those mediocre games with ok models and lackluster story.

I didn't expect you to shoehorn the entire storyline into the demo, but I didn't expect to have zero storyline in the demo either.


I was replying to the other person who said people should not review anything before 0.3. I'm not comparing the quality of your demo vs BADIK 0.2.

Lol not being insecure, just telling you why I think your review was premature. And I have no problem saying it here or in the PM I sent you, at least play an update or 2 before casting your verdict because your judging it based off 5%. It's like reviewing a movie after watching the first 15 minutes.

And there you go judging the game without even having played it. It's not just like the others with lackluster story. I haven't even gotten to the storylines yet, that's what I'm trying to explain. The demo was an introduction. That's why I asked you to reserve your review until you actually get to read the story if that's what your cup of tea is.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

There are two types of demos though. There are those that are vertical slices of the game to show you possible events and interactions that happen over a longer timeline and there are demos which are literally just the first 15 minutes or so of playtime.

Previously you said this was the beginning of the game so while it has the demo tag you also are saying this is what to expect when you first launch picture perfect.

Demos also tend to be more of a finished product. Even if the game isn't complete the demo will be polished enough to be put out there with the goal of attracting players. Usually game companies stop working on the game to make such a demo. Most game studios no longer do demos since they found no upside and instead went with an early access model so they could attract early players while not having to polish a demo which could in the end show off stuff that doesn't make it into the final game.

Maybe this should have an Alpha tag instead especially if at some point the demo tag will be removed once a certain milestone is hit.

My point is that this is an introduction. He was complaining of there being no story. This demo was to showcase the characters. Upcoming updates will get into the story :]

 

[Skylaroo]

It's like reviewing a movie after watching the first 15 minutes.

No, it's like reviewing the pilot of an 18-episode TV series. As I said in my reply to your PM, my review clearly stated it's based on the demo, and if you're really concerned about your rating, feel free to remind me to update the review after 2-3 updates.

 

[Skylaroo]

My point is that this is an introduction. He was complaining of there being no story. This demo was to showcase the characters. Upcoming updates will get into the story :]

And if you read my review, I clearly said that the demo showcased the girls.

Just to be clear, I wasn't just complaining about the non-existent story on the demo, I also criticized the writing of the characters personalities/behaviors where they were supposed to have different personalities (one shy, one slutty, one straight forward) but all behaved the same way (shy one showed her panties, slutty one showed her boobs, straight forward one told you to jerk off).

 

[mpror]

You have legit point if your rant is not only directed at those who reviewed the demo poorly. But you have not mentioned anything whatsoever about those who reviewed demo positively. The problem here is that you simply dislike that there are people (including myself) who reviewed a demo poorly but have no problem whatsoever if the review is positive.

As to why I reviewed a demo, I think first impression definitely matters. It's also important to mention the good and bad early before it's too late to make changes. Look at "Being a DIK" which is only at version 0.2 and yet already attracted 145 reviews at 4.5-star rating. Good quality means good quality even before version 0.3.

The failure in this game's demo, IMO, is simply there's not enough care being put into it. It's basically character introduction where each of the character behaves similarly though they were meant to have different characteristics. Then there's also the lack of the storyline whatsoever in the demo. Why is there no story introduction during a demo? I have absolutely no idea. The demo can be summed up into "Here are 3 girls, look at the panties of 1, the boobs of 2, and jerk off behind 3".

The purpose of a demo is to showcase what's to expect, and this demo is completely failing to achieve that IMO. And especially made worse by the over-promise at the beginning of the game.


It'd be great if there's actually any story element in the demo. Why is there no mention at all about MC potentially losing the house on the demo when it's the plot of the game? It's really weird.

No, u completely missed the point, and its adressed to everyone who makes a review of a demo regardless if its positive or negativ as i stated in my last paragraph.

And a lot of the times its those reviews who fuck up the overal score of the game. if a game has a strong start: lots of 5 stars but gets dull after but is still rated 4 stars cause of those idiots who think yh playing a demo should reflect the overall score of the game when its finished??

Again if u keep updating the review its not an issue. in fact, i very much value those reviews as it allows u to see where the game came from, how it got develloped, if any issues adressed by the reviewers/customers were actually changed/removed/... but making a review of a demo is useless, yes fucking useless. u can give your opinion about it, but to make a review of a demo and then nvr to update is and that score is reflected in the overall score of what could be the end product of the game? no im sry but not sry, that is bs plain and simple.

edit: fyi Skylaroo i dont have anything against u, i didnt even know u made a review for this game, but since u have, i sincerly hope u keep updating it.

 

[WICKEDp4th]

Honestly, all the Points Skylaroo is critcizing are valid (imho) and all he get as a response is lols and excuses. People complaining about him reviewing this unpolished piece of an might be/could be good VN. FIRST IMPRESSION matters, you don't get people back when you're failing with your first presentation, and the Dev even bragged about other devs and there mediocre writing and arts, and all we get from him is a 18 YO vampire girl WTF? and a MC with no eyebrows. I clearly expect more from a dev that works with Ptolemy. Sry mate but you did fucked it up...

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

Honestly, all the Points Skylaroo is critcizing are valid (imho) and all he get as a response is lols and excuses. People complaining about him reviewing this unpolished piece of an might be/could be good VN. FIRST IMPRESSION matters, you don't get people back when you're failing with your first presentation, and the Dev even bragged about other devs and there mediocre writing and arts, and all we get from him is a 18 YO vampire girl WTF? and a MC with no eyebrows. I clearly expect more from a dev that works with Ptolemy. Sry mate but you did fucked it up...

What's wrong with Lols? I think they're pretty fun. And it's not excuses at all, just trying to argue my case. Hey, I get Picture Perfect is not your guy's cup of tea.

If your two opinions were majority, I would really rethink about rewriting the demo, but the game already has 30 Patrons on Patreon in less than 2 weeks, so it did make a good impression for those guys.

Hopefully I can change your guy's opinion to match them in the future, because I haven't even scratched the surface with this game. Thanks for your comments

 

[WICKEDp4th]

What's wrong with Lols? I think they're pretty fun. And it's not excuses at all, just trying to argue my case. Hey, I get Picture Perfect is not your guy's cup of tea.

If your two opinions were majority, I would really rethink about rewriting the demo, but the game already has 30 Patrons on Patreon in less than 2 weeks, so it did make a good impression for those guys.

Hopefully I can change your guy's opinion in the future, because I haven't even scratched the surface with this game. Thanks for your comments

Hmm, i tell you what i read out of your reply.

I don't give a fuck, because i have Patron's.

I wish you all the best mate! Good Luck and much success!

 

[Skylaroo]

Again if u keep updating the review its not an issue. in fact, i very much value those reviews as it allows u to see where the game came from, how it got develloped, if any issues adressed by the reviewers/customers were actually changed/removed/... but making a review of a demo is useless, yes fucking useless. u can give your opinion about it, but to make a review of a demo and then nvr to update is and that score is reflected in the overall score of what could be the end product of the game? no im sry but not sry, that is bs plain and simple.

I actually think it's the other way around. The reviews were sorted by time when posted. If you let the review stayed from demo to version 1.0, then you can clearly see the progression of the game development based on people's reviews.

Good to bad: you'll see 4-5-star reviews early on, and then going down to 3-2-1-star reviews
Bad to good: you'll see 1-2-star reviews early on, and then climbing up to 3-4-5-star reviews
Consistent quality: you'll see similar rating throughout the whole development

And if you only want the latest update reviews, you can simply see the first few reviews shown on the review page because it's sorted from the newest to oldest reviews. Simply put more weight to the newer reviews instead of the older reviews.

Constantly updating reviews is inefficient because let's say you played a game at version 0.5 (which is more than your threshold of 0.3) and you found it bad so you left a 2-star rating review. It wouldn't make sense for you update your review by 1.0 because you'd drop the game before then.

Reviewing a demo is not any different than an article reviewing a pilot of a new TV series. It doesn't reflect the whole overall production and it's never intended to be, it simply reviews the pilot on whether it's good enough to go on or not.

So essentially, my demo's review is simply saying "the demo is not good" and not "the game is not good"

and all he get as a response is lols and excuses.

Yup. This is the same person who posted his own game here (a pirate site) hoping for patronage (cha-ching $$), and then asked people to not post patreon updates here.

And looking at his posts here, he never really acknowledged the criticisms/mistakes on the demo either. We still have no answer why MC had no eyebrows, why Miracle has vampire fangs, why Miracle's name being the first character in the game is already written with a typo as Miralce, why a writer had so many misspelled words in the script, why all the girls have the same behavior though they were supposed to have different personalities, and so on. The closest thing we got was the part where Miracle was reading the novel intensely but the book wasn't even opened, and his reply was simply a "lol cut us some slack" as if it's too much to ask for the image to match the script. But like you said, all anyone ever get is lols.

After the few interaction in the last few days, my impression is he's simply one of those people who underestimated the difficulty of making adult video game. Coming from a writing background, he automatically assumed his writing is well above most of others (so far nothing to suggest this is true), and thought it'd be easy to make a good game. So when he realized there are a few people who didn't particularly enjoy his demo, he had to come up with something to turn things around and try to paint better picture.

Just look at what he had posted so far in defense, "Not to brag but ...", "There are many people who like this", "I already have many patrons", "Your review is premature", etc. Things that were irrelevant to the actual discussion (criticism of what went wrong with the demo).

Probably a little off-topic, but his posts really feel like they have extremely similar pattern to Donald Trump's speech/tweets. And that's not a good sign.