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MikesDK

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That's fair. Each to their own. I'm basically taking some creative liberties to say that dildos don't count as much in my game, simply because I personally think the use of dildos is hot, and wanted to do scenes with them, but I didn't think dealing with defloration in a dildo scene was something I wanted to do, at least not without MC present. So I basically operate on the idea that while the girls have hymens, they're not necessarily as fragile as real life ones. It's a trade off between realism, and what kind of scenes are actually possible. Female orgasm is also a pretty big theme in the game, so I wanted to make sure that it happens in basically every scene where a girl is getting stimulated, unless the point of the scene is to not allow it. Hard to do that while remaining realistic for virgins without just swearing off penetration of any kind for them until after their virginity is taken.


All of that said, while I didn't make the girls virgins specifically so that I could include defloration scenes, I'm not planning to shy away from them for the majority of the virgin girls. They won't all be like Riley's first possible one, but I'm not gonna be pretending that a virgin who's barely had anything inside them at all is immediately a master at taking dick. This changes somewhat on some routes due to the influence of the collars, but at very least the romance route defloration scenes should match the character's experience at the time, even if that experience is with toys.

I'm also kinda working with the idea that different girls do have different hymen types and sizes, so just because one of the virgin girls may have been able to take a dildo, another of the virgin girls may not. It remains to be seen, but they're not just virgins because I wanted to be able to put the virgin tag on the game.
Well sounds like your doing all the right stuff, and the Riley scene was perfect, i did a second playthrough and got the scene i missed on my first run, i know not all want the full package as you said but i loved it and i was very supprrised to see you had put blood in it since thats somewhat rare, so for my taste you did it perfectly with Riley.

I also agree dildos are hot and love them in games, i can see how it would be a challenge to not do penetrations before their virginity is taken, but it depens on how you plan to put in choices doing reward/punishment scenes if the player has the options to use a dildo or use something else like a magic wand vibrator that wont need penetration to get the girls off.

But i am happy that you put in some real thoughts on this stuff and i would never expect all to be the same as Rileys first, wouldent be right for a girl like Cassie, but for someone like Hakari it would make more then sense considering her stats.

But i am looking forward to see what happens next, great job so far and i droped a 5 star review as well hoping it will help to get more people aware of this game since its well deserved.
 

Atemsiel

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Well sounds like your doing all the right stuff, and the Riley scene was perfect, i did a second playthrough and got the scene i missed on my first run, i know not all want the full package as you said but i loved it and i was very supprrised to see you had put blood in it since thats somewhat rare, so for my taste you did it perfectly with Riley.

I also agree dildos are hot and love them in games, i can see how it would be a challenge to not do penetrations before their virginity is taken, but it depens on how you plan to put in choices doing reward/punishment scenes if the player has the options to use a dildo or use something else like a magic wand vibrator that wont need penetration to get the girls off.

But i am happy that you put in some real thoughts on this stuff and i would never expect all to be the same as Rileys first, wouldent be right for a girl like Cassie, but for someone like Hakari it would make more then sense considering her stats.

But i am looking forward to see what happens next, great job so far and i droped a 5 star review as well hoping it will help to get more people aware of this game since its well deserved.
Hah, I saw that, thanks very much for the review. Glad you liked it. You actually come along at a good time because I'm actually hoping to release the next update to patrons this weekend (after 6 months) and assuming it doesn't get leaked, it should show up here in about 2 weeks. It's massive. It's only a single in game day, but due to the amount of branching, there's a lot in there. And even for those who play one single path, I hear it's a couple of hours at least.

Can't promise all the defloration scenes will be quite like Riley's first one, but whether or not a girl would be uncomfortable in a scene is definitely in my mind when I make them, and whether or not I choose to emphasise that varies based on the context. Guess we'll see how it goes.


Also to anyone else reading this who heard about the whole "0.22 in August" thing.. That got delayed. I thought I'd be able to get it done it time, but ultimately it came down to releasing something that wasn't ready because of a stupid deadline I set myself, or delaying it slightly to release something actually ready. It's very very close now, and when 0.22 comes out, the size the scrollbar changes when you open the changelog should give you a good idea as to why it took so long. (Don't take this part so seriously I haven't written the changelog yet lol. Definitely the biggest update so far though.)
 

MikesDK

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Hah, I saw that, thanks very much for the review. Glad you liked it. You actually come along at a good time because I'm actually hoping to release the next update to patrons this weekend (after 6 months) and assuming it doesn't get leaked, it should show up here in about 2 weeks. It's massive. It's only a single in game day, but due to the amount of branching, there's a lot in there. And even for those who play one single path, I hear it's a couple of hours at least.

Can't promise all the defloration scenes will be quite like Riley's first one, but whether or not a girl would be uncomfortable in a scene is definitely in my mind when I make them, and whether or not I choose to emphasise that varies based on the context. Guess we'll see how it goes.


Also to anyone else reading this who heard about the whole "0.22 in August" thing.. That got delayed. I thought I'd be able to get it done it time, but ultimately it came down to releasing something that wasn't ready because of a stupid deadline I set myself, or delaying it slightly to release something actually ready. It's very very close now, and when 0.22 comes out, the size the scrollbar changes when you open the changelog should give you a good idea as to why it took so long. (Don't take this part so seriously I haven't written the changelog yet lol. Definitely the biggest update so far though.)
There are 2 LIs not virgins both which i wouldent mind to rope up and turn on the dildo macine on, but i am only hoping you wont go to crazy with Hikari with her being the one with the least experince of all LIs, atleast not before MC has a chance with her, but ill have wait and see.

I do love big updates so i will just become a patron since i do hate waiting hah, i dont mind supporting the good games but it also comes down to how often game gets updated, there are a few i would love to suppot but when a game reach 5 years and is still on first season i cant support it, but games with regular updates i do support.
But ill look into your page, dosent sound like your going awall anytime soon, and nice to see you active on the forums here as well.
 
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phinny1

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It's massive. It's only a single in game day
I enjoyed what there is of the VN so far, but my concern is that this is an impossibly ambitious project for a first time developer. Six months to develop a single in game day this early on when keeping the continuity straight is only going to get more and more complex as the game unfolds, and you're already adding a sandbox mini-game as well.

Not trying to be a naysayer because the beginnings of the project look promising, but you are shooting for the moon here.
 

Atemsiel

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I enjoyed what there is of the VN so far, but my concern is that this is an impossibly ambitious project for a first time developer. Six months to develop a single in game day this early on when keeping the continuity straight is only going to get more and more complex as the game unfolds, and you're already adding a sandbox mini-game as well.

Not trying to be a naysayer because the beginnings of the project look promising, but you are shooting for the moon here.
This is true, but also that's kinda the point. When I started making the game, I didn't do it for the sake of making a game, but to try to make the game I wanted to play. Doing anything less than that would kinda defeat the point. I'll still be making this even if all supporters drop off (Assuming I can actually afford to spend time working on it. Times are tough.)
This is one of those games where anyone who's financially supporting it is very much supporting the development of a game, rather than basically just subscribing to episodic content. For some people, that's totally fine, for others it's an absolute no-go. That's fine in my opinion.

Granted, this particular update does feature a day that's quite a lot more complicated than most of the others due to the circumstances, but that's not really the point you were making. I think it would be accurate to say I'd bitten off more than I can chew if I had some sort of time limit for development, but I don't, so it's just a big task rather than an impossible one.

But yeah, I think from a monetisation standpoint, the fact that the development cycle is what it is makes it a tough sell. I'm unwilling to cut corners or content though because making a game that would make me money wasn't the goal. The goal was and always will be to make the game I wanna play, and if people wanna throw money at it, cool, if not, also cool.

That said, I obviously don't want this ending up like one of those kickstarter MMO scams where they get millions and promise all sorts of outlandish shit like 1:1 scale earth made of real atoms, and then never actually release anything, so I just try to be very transparent about what's going on with development. I know the developers of that kinda thing tend to say that too, but I think the scale here is a bit different. If people are unhappy with what gets released, or the infrequency of it, they can either stop giving me money, or decide not to in the first place. Both are totally reasonable imo. Glad you enjoyed what's there so far though.
 
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Atemsiel

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For anyone interested, 0.22 has just been released to my top tier patrons. It's finally done. The changelog is public though, so you can read it here if you want.

It should show up here in about 2 weeks, though possibly slightly earlier because releasing a game to the public on a tuesday is not really the meta play here.

Given I know what this site is primarily for, I guess I should mention that if it gets leaked, so be it. However, the version released today is unlikely to be the same version I release here in 2 weeks. I'm using the 2 weeks (And need it, honestly), to try to reduce the filesize which is currently about 7.5GB, so that people with slower connections or whatever don't look at it and go "Fuck no". I'll also be using those 2 weeks to fix any bugs that get found by the patrons in that time.

Basically, if you're a certified pirate, I humbly ask that you leave this one for the moment. I will be releasing it here, with all the same content that patrons get, just in a smaller package so that more people can actually download it if they want.



When it officially releases here, I'll do a post about the release to make any points that need to be known before playing this version. This is the largest update so far, by a lot.
 

dustbluemoon

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Just came across this one and looks promising as hell. Definitely going to be downloading it when your version drops.
 

Atemsiel

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Just came across this one and looks promising as hell. Definitely going to be downloading it when your version drops.
Heh, thanks. It'll probably be not this weekend, but the next weekend when it comes out. Turns out I had a bunch of bugs to fix, so what'll come out here will actually be 0.22.03 or something. Smaller filesize too. (Not small by any means, but I'm getting it below 7GB at least.)

It'll be interesting to see how the ingame walkthrough is received, because that shit took ages, and is still a work in progress, so it may occasionally have inaccuracies that people will hopefully report to me.
 

wiseold6996

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Heh, thanks. It'll probably be not this weekend, but the next weekend when it comes out. Turns out I had a bunch of bugs to fix, so what'll come out here will actually be 0.22.03 or something. Smaller filesize too. (Not small by any means, but I'm getting it below 7GB at least.)

It'll be interesting to see how the ingame walkthrough is received, because that shit took ages, and is still a work in progress, so it may occasionally have inaccuracies that people will hopefully report to me.
Finally ingame walkthrough
 

Somedude1212

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Atemsiel, you may want to look at hosting the game directly on itch for the coming update or in the future. You will need to contact support about them raising the upload limit but they should do it. Itch also has a thing called butler that I think increases your upload limit (you will have to look into that is a dev thing and I am not familiar with how it works).

It is probably addressed in the new update, but I would appreciate if you could elaborate on how the harem stuff works. Will we be able to tell the girls about each other and will the girls get to vote on who joins the harem? I think allowing the girls to vote on who joins could lead to interesting and fun scenes especially with a character like Olivia who most of the girls hate.
 

Atemsiel

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Atemsiel, you may want to look at hosting the game directly on itch for the coming update or in the future. You will need to contact support about them raising the upload limit but they should do it. Itch also has a thing called butler that I think increases your upload limit (you will have to look into that is a dev thing and I am not familiar with how it works).

It is probably addressed in the new update, but I would appreciate if you could elaborate on how the harem stuff works. Will we be able to tell the girls about each other and will the girls get to vote on who joins the harem? I think allowing the girls to vote on who joins could lead to interesting and fun scenes especially with a character like Olivia who most of the girls hate.
So, the thing with itch support is that I've found their response times to be glacial, and usually not really what I actually need. For example, the first time I contacted them, it was to ask a question about something, and also get the upload limit raised for 0.21 I think. I told them how big the file was, and about 3 weeks later I got a response answering my question, but no mention of the upload limit. It turns out when I checked that they had increased the upload limit, to just under 1GB less than I needed to actually upload the game. I emailed them back to tell them this, but never got a response. I could try it again, but it's not really something I'm too worried about. The butler thing is slightly interesting though. I can't see anything suggesting that it increases your upload limit, but it's suggested that it allows you to only upload what's changed. I'd have to look into exactly how this works though, because I'm unsure whether I'd be having to make seperate itch builds or something for compatibility. It'd also have to see how it deals with replacing existing content, since a lot of the renders have been converted to sprites. Either way, I'll take a look when I have some time.

As for the harem stuff, the girls will eventually find out. No plans to let them vote, instead they kinda just have to go with what MC says. So if MC decides to add Olivia, they'll have to put up with that. However, because starting in 0.22 each girl has 3 different routes that affect your character dynamic with them, this can change how characters are received by the others, as well as trigger very specific scenes that require specific combinations of character routes. It's possible that one of those combinations will result in the girls trying to vote on it, but they'd of course eventually have to vote yes.

How the girls find out about each other depends on what route you have with them.
On the slave routes, they're not even your girlfriends, they're sex slaves (eventually), so they don't even get a say in the matter. Deal with it or be punshished etc.

Sub routes they are actually your girlfriends, just very submissive ones (again, eventually. Except some who are naturally quite submissive.) So yeah, you can kinda set them up for it, but they're likely to come around to the idea since there's an element of "I must do what I'm told."

Romance routes... Well that's gonna be like introducing your girlfriend to your wife, only it's a porn game so obviously it'll end a bit better than it would in real life.


Either way, I don't plan to linger on the drama of them finding out they're all being cheated on essentially. Instead, I prefer to just have them be ok with it, and then start with the goofy harem shit that happens. Getting the harem isn't planned to be the end goal of the game, instead it denotes the start of the midgame.
 

BlasKyau

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It is probably addressed in the new update, but I would appreciate if you could elaborate on how the harem stuff works. Will we be able to tell the girls about each other and will the girls get to vote on who joins the harem? I think allowing the girls to vote on who joins could lead to interesting and fun scenes especially with a character like Olivia who most of the girls hate.
For my part, they will have little to discuss since I have zero interest in including Olivia in the harem. I'm not interested in the sub or slave route of any of the LIs (of course this includes Olivia), and certainly with her personality I don't see why I would want to go the romance route with her. Although if I had to choose between one of the three routes, I would choose romance. Anyway, my preferred option is for her not to be part of it.
 

Alandir

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Anyone else was a bit taken aback by the Riley punishment?
We know that Olivia already knows about Rileys rulebreaking. We know that she's a bitch and wants to see the other girls punished. We know that she specifically wants to see Riley getting punished. And she has a direct line to one of the sponsors.
So I figured not doing anything to Riley would have bad consequences and I could punish her just a little.
But mc just went all in. Basically no affection, she's getting collared immediatly. He spanks her till she's sobbing, and keeps going. He keeps pushing down her head. His actions during the scene also make the 'I'm doing this to protect you' assurances ring hollow. It would track if he was being more gentle, but with his actions it sounds more like he's gaslighting her.
It felt like a complete 180 from how the mc has acted before in my playthrough.
Not a criticism, I just ended up going with another route instead. It just felt a bit weird to me personally.

Also does anybody else feel like Taliya suspicious? I feel like she will end up being the one who voted against mc.
Olivia is a bitch, but she's a bitch to your face, she doesn't seem the type to manipulate. Akemi, given that she sacrificed her favour for Hikari, also doesn't seem the type. And she had no reason not to vote for us. Riley and Cassie are a given that they weren't the ones. And both Hikari and Sasha seem to honest.
Taliya already mentioned that she wants to stay on the teachers good side. And I feel like she is a bit ... too friendly. She literally met mc for a few minutes and immediatly got his number just because she spent some time with Cassie and Riley? Maybe I'm paranoid, but I feel like she might turn out to be the type that tries to get everyone on their side in order to manipulate them for her advantage later.
 
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BlasKyau

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Anyone else was a bit taken aback by the Riley punishment?
We know that Olivia already knows about Rileys rulebreaking. We know that she's a bitch and wants to see the other girls punished. We know that she specifically wants to see Riley getting punished. And she has a direct line to one of the sponsors.
So I figured not doing anything to Riley would have bad consequences and I could punish her just a little.
But mc just went all in. Basically no affection, she's getting collared immediatly. He spanks her till she's sobbing, and keeps going. He keeps pushing down her head. His actions during the scene also make the 'I'm doing this to protect you' assurances ring hollow. It would track if he was being more gentle, but with his actions it sounds more like he's gaslighting her.
It felt like a complete 180 from how the mc has acted before in my playthrough.
Not a criticism, I just ended up going with another route instead. It just felt a bit weird to me personally.
The possibility of punishing her never crossed my mind.

Also does anybody else feel like Taliya suspicious? I feel like she will end up being the one who voted against mc.
Olivia is a bitch, but she's a bitch to your face, she doesn't seem the type to manipulate. Akemi, given that she sacrificed her favour for Hikari, also doesn't seem the type. And she had no reason not to vote for us. Riley and Cassie are a given that they weren't the ones. And both Hikari and Sasha seem to honest.
Taliya already mentioned that she wants to stay on the teachers good side. And I feel like she is a bit ... too friendly. She literally met mc for a few minutes and immediatly got his number just because she spent some time with Cassie and Riley? Maybe I'm paranoid, but I feel like she might turn out to be the type that tries to get everyone on their side in order to manipulate them for her advantage later.
You are being paranoid, since depending on the choices you make, they give enough clues to make it clear that the one who voted against the MC was Olivia.
 

Alandir

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You are being paranoid, since depending on the choices you make, they give enough clues to make it clear that the one who voted against the MC was Olivia.
Does it? Because her conversation with Akemi just before the vote made it seem like she would vote for mc. At least it seemed that way to me.
Although given that she thinks she's immune and that she dislikes most of the other girls, it would make sense for Olivia to vote for the person that the other girls want the least.
 

BlasKyau

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Does it? Because her conversation with Akemi just before the vote made it seem like she would vote for mc. At least it seemed that way to me.
Although given that she thinks she's immune and that she dislikes most of the other girls, it would make sense for Olivia to vote for the person that the other girls want the least.
I would have to play that part again to clearly indicate the reasons that make me think this (I like to include screenshots where you can see what I mean). I'll do it the same this weekend.
 

Alandir

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I would have to play that part again to clearly indicate the reasons that make me think this (I like to include screenshots where you can see what I mean). I'll do it the same this weekend.
I mean ... you don't have to play the game again just for my benefit. I'm just speculating here.
 

BlasKyau

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I mean ... you don't have to play the game again just for my benefit. I'm just speculating here.
I was actually planning to do it because I wanted to modify some choices and because I want to see how the ghost hunting part is done in VN. So I will simply take the opportunity to take a screenshot of the texts I need.
 
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Somedude1212

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So, the thing with itch support is that I've found their response times to be glacial, and usually not really what I actually need. For example, the first time I contacted them, it was to ask a question about something, and also get the upload limit raised for 0.21 I think. I told them how big the file was, and about 3 weeks later I got a response answering my question, but no mention of the upload limit. It turns out when I checked that they had increased the upload limit, to just under 1GB less than I needed to actually upload the game. I emailed them back to tell them this, but never got a response. I could try it again, but it's not really something I'm too worried about. The butler thing is slightly interesting though. I can't see anything suggesting that it increases your upload limit, but it's suggested that it allows you to only upload what's changed. I'd have to look into exactly how this works though, because I'm unsure whether I'd be having to make seperate itch builds or something for compatibility. It'd also have to see how it deals with replacing existing content, since a lot of the renders have been converted to sprites. Either way, I'll take a look when I have some time.

As for the harem stuff, the girls will eventually find out. No plans to let them vote, instead they kinda just have to go with what MC says. So if MC decides to add Olivia, they'll have to put up with that. However, because starting in 0.22 each girl has 3 different routes that affect your character dynamic with them, this can change how characters are received by the others, as well as trigger very specific scenes that require specific combinations of character routes. It's possible that one of those combinations will result in the girls trying to vote on it, but they'd of course eventually have to vote yes.

How the girls find out about each other depends on what route you have with them.
On the slave routes, they're not even your girlfriends, they're sex slaves (eventually), so they don't even get a say in the matter. Deal with it or be punshished etc.

Sub routes they are actually your girlfriends, just very submissive ones (again, eventually. Except some who are naturally quite submissive.) So yeah, you can kinda set them up for it, but they're likely to come around to the idea since there's an element of "I must do what I'm told."

Romance routes... Well that's gonna be like introducing your girlfriend to your wife, only it's a porn game so obviously it'll end a bit better than it would in real life.


Either way, I don't plan to linger on the drama of them finding out they're all being cheated on essentially. Instead, I prefer to just have them be ok with it, and then start with the goofy harem shit that happens. Getting the harem isn't planned to be the end goal of the game, instead it denotes the start of the midgame.
It is entirely possible I am wrong about butler increasing your upload limit. I have seen people say it does but they could have been wrong. You are also not the first dev I have seen say support is slow. There are games on itch like Harem Hotel and Hero's Harem Guild that are at least 12GB and My Office Adventures has a 4k version that is 20GB so there is a way to get a higher upload limit.

As for the harem stuff, it is slightly disappointing that you have to cheat/effectively cheat on the girls to establish it. It just feels icky to me. I forget if the girls know about the sexual aspects of the punishments (assuming you haven't done them) as them knowing Mc would possibly be doing things with the other girls would alleviate that somewhat. It is not something that will stop me from playing and enjoying the game, just slightly disappointing.
 
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