Ren'Py Abandoned The Things We Do For Love [Ep. 1-2] [DSeductionGames]

[Bahamut Zero]

Hi i follow the game and download it, but till now for some problem i never try the game. If all the thing go well, perhaps tomorrow i can try it. I already read that NTR is avoidable (or better in the menu tourn off if i read it well). So me question is not that.
I just need to understand two thing. The first one is... i read about this image at the start of the game... if someone can under spoiler please can i know about it? I just wanna understand who happen before decide if i wanna or not play the game.
Also i read in the genre: rape.... i really do not like see the main girl behing rape or worse the MC or see one of them behing forced to see a rape scene and cant do nothing. So can i avoid it?


Also i read this

Thanks but nope, because it's not my cup of tea(mainly if there's humiliation) and it will erase every good feeling that I have about the romance between the main characters(mainly after I saw the confession at chapter 2). The boy went through the rough past and he sees the few peoples that he loves soo much being stolen the worst way possible(I know how the genre works), I don't want even imagine what Alexander will do after. So, I prefer to wait for chapter 3 and pass the bonus(even non-canon).

I am with you Kyori me to avoid all this shit.

Then...

In some extreme cases, victims of child abuse/violence would, after they grow up, think its normal for them to be treated badly . Thus in this case the boy might feel its normal when shits happen again and wouldnt try to stop em, he might even be relieved it finally happened. I'm not saying its a must or the player must accept this, just it could be a possible explanation for ridiculous reactions from the boy.

Please let me understand... because me english is not so good. So perhaps i understand bad. Are you really say that?
Do you really thing that the child abuse/violence let a boy or a girl grow up in... NTR? Please tell me you are joke because NTR in RL do not exists! There is no way that someone see and stay silent and fap and cry, while someone fuck his girls/wife love or how you wanna call her or he.

This shit exists ony in hentai and game. But try to find in RL this kind of thing. And you see how many guys or girls have kill other ppl for fucking they life. I never see on RL someone who live a life so patetic. And i really hope to never meet someone like this. Really make me depress, only images someone who wanna live a life like this.

Anyway speaking about the game, do we have choice right? I mean we have real choice that let us choice our path.
The only thing that is important is that when we avoid the thing is a real avoid, and not just a black screen where the next days you do not see, but the thing actually happen anyway. Can somoene confirm this to me?
Anticipate thankses.

 

[Segnbora]

It happens, whether or not you choose to watch the scene with visuals intact.

I don't think this is a game you'll enjoy. Which is unfortunate, because I think this is a game that could explain how things — even terrible things — that actually do happen in real life could affect people and their future choices.

 

[demidemon]

... because NTR in RL do not exists! ...

 

[Robert Monotoli]

... because NTR in RL do not exists! ...

Yeah, because cheating totally never happens in real life. /s

 

[DarthSeduction]

Please let me understand... because me english is not so good. So perhaps i understand bad. Are you really say that?
Do you really thing that the child abuse/violence let a boy or a girl grow up in... NTR? Please tell me you are joke because NTR in RL do not exists! There is no way that someone see and stay silent and fap and cry, while someone fuck his girls/wife love or how you wanna call her or he.

This shit exists ony in hentai and game. But try to find in RL this kind of thing. And you see how many guys or girls have kill other ppl for fucking they life. I never see on RL someone who live a life so patetic. And i really hope to never meet someone like this. Really make me depress, only images someone who wanna live a life like this.

Anyway speaking about the game, do we have choice right? I mean we have real choice that let us choice our path.
The only thing that is important is that when we avoid the thing is a real avoid, and not just a black screen where the next days you do not see, but the thing actually happen anyway. Can somoene confirm this to me?
Anticipate thankses.

Fairly certain the excerpt you quoted was referring to the heightened liklihood of overcoming the incest taboo.

As to NTR, it is absolutely something that exists. There are plenty of people in this world who are aroused, sexually by pain. The same part of the brain that processes physical pain, like spankings, is also managing emotional pain, like the pain of jealousy and betrayal. And that is what NTR is about.

NTR is any combination of the following scenario:

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A, lets call them our victim, is in a relationship of some kind (not necessarily romantic) which hinges heavily on a bond of trust, with the character B. The character B, whether willingly, through coercion, drugs, or physical violence, is put into a sexual relationship with C that betrays that bond of trust.

The story can be told from any perspective and still be NTR though. If we tell it from C's perspective, to where you take the bored housewife away from her husband, it doesn't stop being about betrayal and jealousy, it simply shifts your perspective on it. Similarly, my favorite NTR stories are told from B's perspective, as the person being corrupted away from A by C. These stories are some of the best.​

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All the NTR in this game is something you can only experience if you choose to. You control both Alexander and Alexis. The only way for you to end up in an NTR route is to start a relationship between the twins and then, at some point down the line, decide with one of the characters to cheat on the twin, lie about it, and never make a decision to share. The content of this game, aside from the story necessary opening scene, is completely consensual, so no one will be forced to do anything, and if you're controlling the other character, only you can make them sleep with someone else.

I am with you Kyori me to avoid all this shit.

The thing your'e quoting there is in relation to bonus content. This isn't even a part of the story and you are given a choice to skip it.

I just wanna understand who happen before decide if i wanna or not play the game.
Also i read in the genre: rape.... i really do not like see the main girl behing rape or worse the MC or see one of them behing forced to see a rape scene and cant do nothing. So can i avoid it?

This game is not written with characters designed for you to put yourself into. They have personalities that are specifically crafted for the story the game is trying to tell. This story is based on how the sexual abuse the male Twin suffers at the very start of the game and the results of that abuse's shared trauma brings the twins into their romantic conflict. There is no way to avoid this. It isn't a penalty, it's the reality of the character. I absolutely understand if you're not interested in it, but that's the type of game this is.

 

[KyoriKusagami]

Fairly certain the excerpt you quoted was referring to the heightened liklihood of overcoming the incest taboo.

As to NTR, it is absolutely something that exists. There are plenty of people in this world who are aroused, sexually by pain. The same part of the brain that processes physical pain, like spankings, is also managing emotional pain, like the pain of jealousy and betrayal. And that is what NTR is about.

NTR is any combination of the following scenario:

​

A, lets call them our victim, is in a relationship of some kind (not necessarily romantic) which hinges heavily on a bond of trust, with the character B. The character B, whether willingly, through coercion, drugs, or physical violence, is put into a sexual relationship with C that betrays that bond of trust.​

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The story can be told from any perspective and still be NTR though. If we tell it from C's perspective, to where you take the bored housewife away from her husband, it doesn't stop being about betrayal and jealousy, it simply shifts your perspective on it. Similarly, my favorite NTR stories are told from B's perspective, as the person being corrupted away from A by C. These stories are some of the best.​

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All the NTR in this game is something you can only experience if you choose to. You control both Alexander and Alexis. The only way for you to end up in an NTR route is to start a relationship between the twins and then, at some point down the line, decide with one of the characters to cheat on the twin, lie about it, and never make a decision to share. The content of this game, aside from the story necessary opening scene, is completely consensual, so no one will be forced to do anything, and if you're controlling the other character, only you can make them sleep with someone else.




The thing your'e quoting there is in relation to bonus content. This isn't even a part of the story and you are given a choice to skip it.



This game is not written with characters designed for you to put yourself into. They have personalities that are specifically crafted for the story the game is trying to tell. This story is based on how the sexual abuse the male Twin suffers at the very start of the game and the results of that abuse's shared trauma brings the twins into their romantic conflict. There is no way to avoid this. It isn't a penalty, it's the reality of the character. I absolutely understand if you're not interested in it, but that's the type of game this is.

I'm really impressed by your patience @DarthSeduction, I loved chapter 1 and 2 because I like your writing and your last comment was really interesting. There are few games that I'm playing the Cheating route, but in these games, this route comes from jerk decisions the player made previously(Tyrant, Babysitter or A mother's love), because I'm curious about the ending. I don't like the Cheating route, when the script is being unfair with the protagonist by removing any chance for him to figh for his woman(a guy that love your girl so much, but so weak sexually with 4 inch dick and no stamina) and creating absurd situations(Unavoidable rape with woman just saying no and without resistance or unplausible blackmail ), basic example: A good man in 2 years relationship with your girl, but he suffers an accident and breaks his leg and he is stuck on hospital bed until he recovers completely. Then, in this recovery process, he was raped by two women(nurse and businesswoman) and his girlfriend takes stupid decisions and corrupting herself in the process like escort girl job and allowing some guy makes sex with her because he offered a waitress job to her. So, the girlfriend visits her boyfriend, have a surprise sex with him and abandon him at the hospital saying "I'm sorry, but the other guy has more stamina than you and I'm not visiting you anymore" and 2 years of relationship is over because you don't have bigger penis and a lot of stamina to make your girl reaches the orgasm multiple times and another guy can do it and the love built doesn't matter.

 

[Segnbora]

The thing is, I'll play every single one of Alexis' routes because I'm curious and because she's unfathomably sexy (I very much do not just mean physically, though I mean that as well), but the only one I'll mean is the one where she ends up with her brother. And it's not because I crave incest (I don't) or Alexander or think they're somehow destined for each other — if this was a real-world scenario I'd vehemently counsel against them entering into any sort of long-term relationship, whether or not they had or are having sex — but because the setup to their relationship made me care about them in a very particular way.

It's good writing, of course, that makes me feel that way, but my point is somewhat different: that "care" is what makes NTR possible. Even if A^2 never actually have sex, they're going to feel it if they have sex with others. The justification for NTR is so often paper-thin and prosaic — "I'm not satisfying my wife, thus she has to take a lover that will make me feel like shit while I beat off" or whatever — but because of what these two have been through it's going to be damned meaningful if/when they get with other people.

Or, put another way, I never self-immerse (make your jokes now) and rarely have any emotional interest in game paths. I'll happily play both the faithful (or, usually, "faithful") route and the cheating route(s), just to see all the H. I'm all about that H (no trouble). But this game, which isn't even that long, managed to make me care enough to know that while I'll eagerly play Alexis fucking other people, I'm going to make my last playthrough the one where she and her brother live incestuously ever after. If that's even an option.

Though if it's not, @DarthSeduction can expect arsenic in his tea.

 

[DarthSeduction]

There are at least 3 variations of them in an incest relationship still at the end. 2 of them are essentially the same route, just with a different beard

 

[Pharan]

This conversation has gotten way too deep for me. lol You make a lot of valid points. I may be a history buff and can tell you stuff that happened many many moons ago but I was never on the debate team. Being a black female, I can honestly admit I've benefited from feminism.
Once you "go down the rabbit hole" of seeing how feminism is affecting everything around you, it was a real eye opener. From affirmative action, gender/race quotas, the duluth model, #metoo: guilty until proven innocent, family courts being biased against men, men getting longer sentences than women for the same crime are just to name a few. I won't even mention the rights we have that men don't, I'm sure you get the point.
But back on point. I think the reason I enjoy femdom is because I'm really a submissive irl and my husband is an alpha. So nothing goes in his ass. So I find myself fantasizing about dominating men and doing really really perverted things to them.
I guess creating a game is a nice way to express yourself or is it called venting? If I had the talent I would too. lol

An effeminate beta male mc? Please tell me we can eventually turn him into a sissy.

There is Virgin's Story if you're looking for a game to play that kinda fits that idea. You play as the guy as the MC and he eventually goes from a beta to an alpha.

 

[TiffanyMonroe]

There is Virgin's Story if you're looking for a game to play that kinda fits that idea. You play as the guy as the MC and he eventually goes from a beta to an alpha.

There's nothing alpha about getting taken by a woman lol There's no coming back from getting your black cherry popped.

 

[CassidyPRO]

eww... terrible game.. certainly not coming back.

 

[Bahamut Zero]

Yeah, because cheating totally never happens in real life. /s

Cheating is way different fro NTR! Perhaps i think both of you do not understand the complessity of NTR. Classified Cheating as NTR is just wrong.
I do not like to go ot, but perhaps you two need to go on google and see who NTR mean.

The fast way to say without go to much in deep is
NTR= MC powerless, therey is no way that he can do anything. The only thing you can do in game is just look, cry and almost all the time see the bastard one also kick and hit the MC. Show him some video about him fuck his love. And again you cant do nothing. You just stay there and see how someone steal you love.

So again, for me NTR in real life do not exist. Cheating is a thing really different, are two people that in secret betraye someone. But in almosto 90% of the case no one know, no one is hurt. The 10% that remain are ppl where if they discovery the secret... 2 thing happen.
1) The more mature discuss and if they really succeed they make peace. But in most cases 75%, the two break and their story ends there.
2) Someone go crazy find the one who betray and kick him or her and sometime someone also die and go in jail.

Look out there, you can see every time in the newspaper or on TV, desperate people who, after discovering it, killed and ended up in prison.

Anyway for the developer.
Thank you for explain you game better to me. For now i follow you game and wait to see how the thing evolve. After i try to see if i can play it. Because just now i see that you play both of them. And i do not really like to play also the female prospective.
But at last if i made to play it, i can just play with her and avoid to go with other. So the two stay loyal and stay forever together.

Again sorry for me bad english and thank you for the answer.

 

[Segnbora]

I wish you luck.

 

[DarthSeduction]

eww... terrible game.. certainly not coming back.

The fast way to say without go to much in deep is
NTR= MC powerless, therey is no way that he can do anything. The only thing you can do in game is just look, cry and almost all the time see the bastard one also kick and hit the MC. Show him some video about him fuck his love. And again you cant do nothing. You just stay there and see how someone steal you love.

Powerless MC being completely dominated by the Netori is only one, usually very extreme form of NTR. NTR is jealousy and betrayal. You can be in a completely platonic relationship with your best male childhood friend, but the moment they start to live a better life than you by gay fucking the guy who beats your ass for lunch money, and not using that relationship to protect you, you're the victim of NTR. Your little sister, who you also have a normal family relationship with and not an incestuous one, could start having sex with your boss, and he's a complete dick, and her relationship with your boss doesn't make your boss any better, she knows full well that he's a dick to you, she even allows it or enables it. Boom NTR.

So no, NTR doesn't require you to be powerlessly watching something happen to your lover. It means that someone has betrayed you beyond return (more than cheating as you said) and is about the feelings associated with that betrayal, usually jealousy, but not necessarily.

Similarly, the netori, doesn't have to be 1 person, or even a person at all. Say the MC is a 12 year old boy. His single mother gets addicted to drugs. As a result of her drug addiction her relationship, which used to be very positive, changes, she's no longer the caretaker that she once was, she has betrayed you. No sex required, the drugs themselves and her addiction to them are NTR.

NTR is a relatively loose concept in this way. While many instances will be the heightened forced cuckoldry that you're describing, they don't have to be.

So again, for me NTR in real life do not exist. Cheating is a thing really different, are two people that in secret betraye someone. But in almosto 90% of the case no one know, no one is hurt. The 10% that remain are ppl where if they discovery the secret... 2 thing happen.
1) The more mature discuss and if they really succeed they make peace. But in most cases 75%, the two break and their story ends there.
2) Someone go crazy find the one who betray and kick him or her and sometime someone also die and go in jail.

Netorase is also abbreviated as NTR, and Netorase is a scenario where the A goes and finds a Netori, C, to come and fuck their lover B. Or A creates a situation where a C and their B will come into contact. Or A finds out that there already is a C and decides to stick around. What I'm saying is, both male and female masochists might get off on being cucked. It's fine if you aren't one of them. I'm certainly not, as a sadist, but that doesn't mean that these people don't exist.

In the end, your experience is not universal. Things that you might hate, other people might like. This is something you should always consider.

 

[Segnbora]

There are at least 3 variations of them in an incest relationship still at the end. 2 of them are essentially the same route, just with a different beard

Okay, but just...look, I'm really sorry about the tea, but...

 

[kotte]

There are plenty of people in this world who are aroused, sexually by pain. The same part of the brain that processes physical pain, like spankings, is also managing emotional pain, like the pain of jealousy and betrayal. And that is what NTR is about.

This is the first time that I hear the comparison between physical pain and NTR and and it makes so much sense!
Interesting and enlightening!
This also totally fits in where I, who neither likes to experience pain, nor inflict it, am so unmoved by NTR themes. I can appreciate stories where difference in power is important, or elements of persuasion, but the typical next step involves degradation or humiliation and that's not my thing.

 

[Ashley young]

Imagine getting raped by your dad and have a traumatised life, and then see your the person closest to you fuck someone behind your back while you cry in despair. Someone tell the dev to calm the fuck down with the story, I'm here for a wank,not to see the origin story of batman.

 

[Fraii]

Imagine getting raped by your dad and have a traumatised life, and then see your the person closest to you fuck someone behind your back while you cry in despair. Someone tell the dev to calm the fuck down with the story, I'm here for a wank,not to see the origin story of batman.

There's plenty of porn without story, why are you coming to one of the few story games with porn? I'm sure you can find another copy-paste "brother corrupt sister then sexy time happens" anywhere

 

[DarthSeduction]

Imagine getting raped by your dad and have a traumatised life, and then see your the person closest to you fuck someone behind your back while you cry in despair. Someone tell the dev to calm the fuck down with the story, I'm here for a wank,not to see the origin story of batman.

All the NTR content is completely optional. So.... imagine playing a game for free and then telling the developer how they should change something about their project that isn't actually a problem.

 

[Jamsen]

Game doesn't launch. Other similar games works just fine, so I don't think I did anything wrong. Tried to "reinstall", didn't help.
Any ideas?