VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B3] [Braindrop]

[YepperCause]

You do make it sound awfully like the one thing you care about in this game is seeing the baseball match, though.
Like, most adult VNs have something that is basically more of a setup for the whole thing, like a country would be for example. Not so much to be the central focus. Yet you seem to want that to get the spotlight...
Or is it that you consider that the game should have been finished by now, with every different plots and subplots closed as well ?

And feel free to facepalm this post as well while you're at it. You seem to get a kick out of facepalming anything I post. And I thrive on that kind of salt.

I facepalm a lot of your posts because they are really stupid, bro. Like, you are arguing with another user (ApexAlex) the point that they explicitly made and repeatedly saying they haven't considered that point.

I don't think the game should be done after 3 years, nor do I think seeing a game is important. I do think that, based on what we've seen of the plot, the basketball games will have some role in the story. And the fact that we are three years in, the last year of which has seen fewer than 600 renders, and we haven't even seen the pre-season exhibition game suggests that the game is basically making no narrative progress.

Sure, lots of games have some narrative device or plot element that is there but its details are secondary to the plot. But, imagine if in a game like Being a DIK, or something, after three years the MC had never gone to a fraternity party.

I don't care that much about the fraternity parties, or the fraternity. But, it is clear that the fraternity is a central part of driving the story forward; things happen at the parties, people are met, interactions occur. If we see nothing involving this central part of the story after three years, it is really reasonable to be skeptical of any forward progression occurring.

 

[csmk14]

I facepalm a lot of your posts because they are really stupid, bro. Like, you are arguing with another user (ApexAlex) the point that they explicitly made and repeatedly saying they haven't considered that point.

I don't think the game should be done after 3 years, nor do I think seeing a game is important. I do think that, based on what we've seen of the plot, the basketball games will have some role in the story. And the fact that we are three years in, the last year of which has seen fewer than 600 renders, and we haven't even seen the pre-season exhibition game suggests that the game is basically making no narrative progress.

Sure, lots of games have some narrative device or plot element that is there but its details are secondary to the plot. But, imagine if in a game like Being a DIK, or something, after three years the MC had never gone to a fraternity party.

I don't care that much about the fraternity parties, or the fraternity. But, it is clear that the fraternity is a central part of driving the story forward; things happen at the parties, people are met, interactions occur. If we see nothing involving this central part of the story after three years, it is really reasonable to be skeptical of any forward progression occurring.

What Fraternities? WVM has student housing on Campus and school teams, but I don't recall 1 mention of any Frats

 

[Rutonat]

I facepalm a lot of your posts because they are really stupid, bro.

Not a bro, but whatever.
I'll just point out you're on the thread of two games dealing with trans and intersex characters, and facepalmed posts in which I was arguing for the fact that gender is more than male or female. So I'm having a hard time figuring out which, between your reactions, the games you're following, and my posts, are the stupid ones.

And again you pretend you don't care about the basic setup just to complain about the basic setup not progressing... in game where the main point is the MC's relationships. You're literally implying you want the part not related to the relationship to progress rather than see more progression on the relationships...?
What ?

What Fraternities? WVM has student housing on Campus and school teams, but I don't recall 1 mention of any Frats

He was talking about another game as an example.

 

[Rutonat]

I facepalmed you in that other thread (didn't realize that was you, by the way, I don't really pay attention to users on here) because you equated being trans with being futa. Futanaris don't exist, trans people do.

Futanari is a japanese term for hermaphrodites. Those exist. Not to the same degree of functionality 99% of the time, but still.
Buuuut I'm not surprised by your lack of knowledge. Never am, here.

 

[EroPulse]

I actually think even someone like you has to know that's bullshit. Japanese style futas are treated as a completely separate gender resulting from something other than abnormal intersex conditions, such as chimerism or microchimerism. They are completely biologically functional and have a single genetic code in both sets of gonads. There has never been such a case reported in all of medical history, not even the <1% of intersex individuals who have substantial functionality fit those criteria.

Yepper, this isn't a response to your quote, I just wanted to say there is no point in arguing with Rutonat. I've already put them on ignore. I suggest you do the same to save yourself a headache. No matter how many times I've clearly explained my position, they just twist it around and don't understand. It's just not worth wasting your energy on them.

 

[GingerbreadMan]

This is where art direction comes into play. How do you think vfx and video games are made by scores of people? As someone who has worked in the vfx industry on tv/movies. You give those people working for you direction on what you want to see, if you actually have plans, or storyboards (which I doubt he has), it can be done. Even simply screenshots of posing, camera setup/angles or quick renders... There are so many things that could be done for BD to "approve" before full rendering passes can be started.

Cheeky Gimp has I beleive two other artists, maybe more working with him on scenes that involve lighting and rendering and for the most part it's hard to tell the difference between the artists. If BD took some time to setup a pipeline, I think he could find the help he needs. However, he's gone on record to say he can't manage people, and never wants to, so I doubt we'll ever see other artists on WMV.

Problem with this is, BD said he once had a job with people he had to manage.
And he was horrible at it, he just couldn't manage them efficiently, because every time he had to tell them what/how to do and then check if they did it accordingly, he ended up just doing it himself as it reduced his stress level and didn't take much longer.

To manage people you need someone that wants and knows how to manage people. And BD isn't that person. But hiring someone to do so, still means he had to manage the manager. That's why he says he won't hire any help and do it all himself.

 

[pecard255]

Looks like I missed the Pity Party or is it still going on?

 

[Mcknobz33]

there goes another month

 

[StantheMan69]

ItS JuSt A hObBy1!1!

AnD ThAt'S hOw ItS sTaYiNg! Got to love a hobby that as he said in one of his Braindrops he wasn't going to pause the pledges that month because he has a family to support with the pledge money. (probably wasn't exactly how he worded it, but I don't want to go and find it. So it will have to be close enough) Oh well guess that make his patrons more of charity workers helping to support his family. So he can work on his hobby in his free time. Which must be very little free time.

 

[StantheMan69]

But he hasn't turned off charges since 2020 when he started to go through problems. Since then, he brought up possibilities of turning them off, but decided not to throughout all of 2021 and this year.

But But but thats because he polls his patrons and ask them if he should pause or not and the vote that he should keep the money flowing. LMAO

 

[Trojaner]

But But but thats because he polls his patrons and ask them if he should pause or not and the vote that he should keep the money flowing. LMAO

Vote or not doesn't matter. A good person would pause it without even asking. If ya can't work or deliver a update for an amount of time just pause it and it is good. Atleat this would be a thing where the Trust is not complete destroyed.

 

[Darkns]

A little disappointed, so long wait for so little, updates take longer and longer...

 

[StantheMan69]

And not all people, especially creative people, can work with a whole team. But you don't seem to stop to consider that. Everyone as different can and can't do. And there are a lot of creators that can't function by delegating tasks to other people. With the way they do stuff, their work is way more harmonious if they have their hands in every steps of the way.

Some people say DB makes huge money, and I know a lot of people instantly jump 10 sharks calling devs greedy the second they make a single cent, but if they never considered hiring people, that might be because there's a reason for it. And in all logic, it's either that they have cirumstances that make it so that they have little of that money left to do as they please (random example but huge medical bills would suffice to oblitarate earnings, especially if the person recieving it lives in the US...), or they don't feel like they could make it work that way.

All he or she was saying is there are ways for him to still have control over the direction of the game. He or she was now saying the needed to hire a team. It makes little difference, what most people are upset about isn't about him not hiring a team its the fact that he is making over 10k a month and not delivering on anything he says he is working on. As far as people can see he is saying he is working hard on the game and a update is almost done. Yet shown little to nothing of his work in months other than excuses. Add that to all the postings of an update will be out on this day. Only to have him not deliver on what he has stated. It is starting to look like BD is a liar. So how can people believe him when he says he is working on the game? How do they believe him and he isn't out just spending the money having a good time? Which if he is just out spending the money having a good time and not working on the game. That my friend is not only Greediness, but messed up.

And in case you missed the memo, nobody here or even on their Patreon is entitled to get personal informations on the dev's life. There could be a host of things going on in their life plaguing them.
But no that's way easier for most to just get mad and accuse them of scamming. That's definitely gonna make them work faster than ever before, not get more and more fed up with the idea of even continuing...
Because, you know...
Devs aren't persons with lives and problems you don't know about.
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If personal life is affecting him delivering the update that was around 2000 render back in Dec / Jan. Which was almost done back then. Only needing a little more work and bug testing from a few people. Delayed all the way until July and broke down into one 400 renders update. Than the guy need to put the game on hold until he can get to a place he can pick up working on the game. I can't see how an honest person would keep taking money from his supporters. Knowing he was giving them nothing in return.

 

[StantheMan69]

Vote or not doesn't matter. A good person would pause it without even asking. If ya can't work or deliver a update for an amount of time just pause it and it is good. Atleat this would be a thing where the Trust is not complete destroyed.

I fully agree, he shouldn't even been asking his patrons he should just be pausing it.

 

[armion82]

You do make it sound awfully like the one thing you care about in this game is seeing the baseball match, though.
Like, most adult VNs have something that is basically more of a setup for the whole thing, like a country would be for example. Not so much to be the central focus. Yet you seem to want that to get the spotlight...
Or is it that you consider that the game should have been finished by now, with every different plots and subplots closed as well ?

And feel free to facepalm this post as well while you're at it. You seem to get a kick out of facepalming anything I post. And I thrive on that kind of salt.

I don't want to see a baseball match.

 

[artofwar]

The point you fail to consider in this, is that hiring a team to work on a story means giving up the certainty that the project will go the way you want it to. As more voices get added, there are more steps, and thus a growing potential of something not being made the way you envisioned it.

What people are saying is that BD should hire some help. Not bring partners on board. It is both easy and expected to retain full creative control when you hire people to do specific jobs that don't revolve around the creative side of things. Posing & rendering would be one thing that should be easy to outsource after the initial setup and brief. I would class posing as a technical skill and not creative but even if you didn't it is something that can be trained and monitored in real time.

For some people, it's a problem, as they have more or less a clear idea of where they're going, and would rather avoid deviating from their plans.

This kinda contradicts what I was just saying as requiring him to be in control of the creative aspects might just be the problem, but it should be painfully obvious by now that BD has absolutely no idea where the story is going. If you got to the surprise basement princess and thought "Yep this guy knows his shit, he has everything planned like a 4d chess grandmaster" then I don't know what to say except... no I got nothing. You're on your own at that point. The dude might have some really rough outline of the way things are supposed to go but there's definitely no master script he's working off.

Let's, for example, consider renders. If Braindrop wasto hire someone to do the posing and rendering, they're take the risk of the renders not being the way they planned them to be. And having to carefulyl detail and explain, or even sketch it, would basically take as long as doing it themselves.

Well shit you mentioned it yourself. He has thousands of renders to use as source and training material, but if he just can't bring himself to allow someone to do that then bam! He does his damn job and does the posing himself. It shouldn't even be necessary though, there's plenty of ways to check off on work in progress when it comes to something done on a PC.

People tend to just throw the "you make huge money, you're rich, just hire people to work faster", but that's not always a good solution. Mind I remind you of Breeding Season that took this path and ended up imploding, too ? All it needs is team members fighting for the whole project to collapse and dissapear totally.

There's a lot of truth in that. More hands don't scale linearly, two people working on a project is not going to take half the time or end up with twice the amount of work in the same amount of time. I have no idea what Breeding Season is, I just want to say that there's a big difference between team members or partners and employee's or contract workers. People aren't saying that he should share a slice of the pie they're saying he should hire someone on a fixed wage, a contract, whatever the fuck and get shit done because it's obvious to everyone that what he's doing now is not working. Creative differences is not something that happens when you're clear with the person you hire that they will have no creative input. If that doesn't work out then hire someone else.

Personally I think he should hire a mom so they can kick his ass into gear and manage his time for him. I mean the dude can't manage himself he definitely couldn't manage an employee.

 

[RyuPlateado]

Good game

 

[Don_Ubba]

Like always this forum is still a shit show

 

[grim019]

Like always this forum is still a shit show

So kinda like the state of the game right now.

 

[jjmayne]

Like always this forum is still a shit show

Hmm, I wonder why..

Maybe bc this game's development is a shitshow?