Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Akamari]

Mipmip
This is a transparency fix for the unofficial compressed version. It contains the uncompressed GUI files (4.7 MB). Extract it and overwrite the game's "gui" folder.

It fixes only the the transparency (black boxes) (that alone makes it look a lot better though), not the design of the menu at the bottom of the text box. That was altered in the compressed version and is not representative of the game's quality. Same goes for the choice menu that also looks different.

Goodness, I thought compressed version is just about making stuff smaller in size, not altering what portions of the user interface look like.

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Abhai Can you add this fix to the compressed version? The GUI files must not be compressed to work perfectly.

 

[NeimadFR]

Wow I played this game for a looong time ago(when it was just released I think?), and now I played again, and it was good back then but now its aboslutely amazing Great work Nottravis and great idea to add female protagonist(I love that) and I had so much fun, especially the tabletop game with Sarah, I just played for hours without noticing.

Love the game and looking forward to see Chapter 3 remaster, I think I will wait for that and hold off to play the old version(if I can resist? I don't know )

I highly suggest waiting for Ch.3 remastered, the original is like a proof of concept at this point, Notty would probably prefer if there wasn't even a link to it

 

[Abhai]

Not sure if this was reported already, but I just started playing and the bar where the save load prefs etc buttons are hides the characters names.
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Mipmip
This is a transparency fix for the unofficial compressed version. It contains the uncompressed GUI files (4.7 MB). Extract it and overwrite the game's "gui" folder.

It fixes only the the transparency (black boxes) (that alone makes it look a lot better though), not the design of the menu at the bottom of the text box. That was altered in the compressed version and is not representative of the game's quality. Same goes for the choice menu that also looks different.

Goodness, I thought compressed version is just about making stuff smaller in size, not altering what portions of the user interface look like.

Mega

Abhai Can you add this fix to the compressed version? The GUI files must not be compressed to work perfectly.

compressing those games could have issues here and there, yet we all do as best as we can.

in most cases all those issues are easily fixable, just by tweaking a bit default settings of the tools used.
the important thing for those encountering problems is to report it (either pm or @) to the cruncher who did that compressing. otherwise it could look, as in this case, that "unofficial compressing" is a bad thing, that we dont care at all, and that devs of those games should mess with those additional complains for which they have no responsibilities.

so once again, please if you encounter issues with compressed version do report it to the person compressed it.
thanks

 

[Mipmip]

Granted, but worth menioning that when first encountering an issue, it's not always easy to tell if it's an issue with the compression or the base game. Seems to me like reporting it in the game thread where both dev and cruncher are active is a reasonable step, no?

 

[Akamari]

so once again, please if you encounter issues with compressed version do report it to the person compressed it.
thanks

I have a question. What's the reasoning behind changes to the interface (is it because of that transparent textbox thing?)?

It transforms this...

into this...

I feel it significantly changes what the game looks like and not for the better. (That green is awfully out of place). Most importantly though, it changes the dev's work and the intent behind what the UI should look like. That is no longer just a compressed version, but a modded one.

 

[Nottravis]

Wow I played this game for a looong time ago(when it was just released I think?), and now I played again, and it was good back then but now its aboslutely amazing Great work Nottravis and great idea to add female protagonist(I love that) and I had so much fun, especially the tabletop game with Sarah, I just played for hours without noticing.

Love the game and looking forward to see Chapter 3 remaster, I think I will wait for that and hold off to play the old version(if I can resist? I don't know )

Hi saffe and thanks. Glad you had so much fun with it

Defo wait for the remaster. It's an entirely different game both visually and content wise and I don't think the saves from the remastered Two would work with it anyway. *will be as quick as she can be*

 

[Nottravis]

Oh... sigs have all been updated if anyone wants one

Including one for Gloria...

 

[Abhai]

I have a question. What's the reasoning behind changes to the interface (is it because of that transparent textbox thing?)?

It transforms this...

into this...

I feel it significantly changes what the game looks like and not for the better. (That green is awfully out of place). Most importantly though, it changes the dev's work and the intent behind what the UI should look like. That is no longer just a compressed version, but a modded one.

yep, transparent textbox, sometimes i put that "mod" into compressed versions..imo it looks better that way, yet it is, as the most things are, a matter of taste at the end.
I've already put a note in "compressed" post explaining how to restore the game boxes to its original look for those preferring it that way.

 

[Nottravis]

Granted, but worth menioning that when first encountering an issue, it's not always easy to tell if it's an issue with the compression or the base game. Seems to me like reporting it in the game thread where both dev and cruncher are active is a reasonable step, no?

Yep yep. Agreed.

 

[Nottravis]

yep, transparent textbox, sometimes i put that "mod" into compressed versions..imo it looks better that way, yet it is, as the most things are, a matter of taste at the end.
I've already put a note in "compressed" post explaining how to restore the game boxes to its original look for those preferring it that way.

Thanks Abhai. I don't envy you the task of compressing H5 in the first place and I think the explanation is a decent compromise. I'm looking to see how much I can reduce the file size myself for Three so hopefully might save you a job going forward.

 

[NeimadFR]

Thanks Abhai. I don't envy you the task of compressing H5 in the first place and I think the explanation is a decent compromise. I'm looking to see how much I can reduce the file size myself for Three so hopefully might save you a job going forward.

 

[Akamari]

yep, transparent textbox, sometimes i put that "mod" into compressed versions..imo it looks better that way, yet it is, as the most things are, a matter of taste at the end.

Well, maybe it would be best to leave matters of taste to the player and keep the game looking as intended by the developer?

Besides that, your modification is not compatible with the game's graphics, as you can see here (I applied my fix so that it's without black box and easily visible). This is not a matter of taste.

Can I ask you to correct it and upload a compressed version that does not include that mod? And, if possible, with the uncompressed gui files, so that players don't need a hotfix.

 

[Abhai]

Well, maybe it would be best to leave matters of taste to the player and keep the game looking as intended by the developer?

Besides that, your modification is not compatible with the game's graphics, as you can see here (I applied my fix so that it's without black box and easily visible). This is not a matter of taste.

Can I ask you to correct it and upload a compressed version that does not include that mod? And, if possible, with the uncompressed gui files, so that players don't need a hotfix.

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not a problem...uploaded edited compressed version (text box removed, and compressed gui now should "work" better).
and for the record - yep, it is a matter of taste, Ive played it, and had no big issues with all that "issues".
on the other hand, i can understand you (if you are one of the game developers?), so it is ok to feel that way.
cheers

 

[anne O'nymous]

yep, transparent textbox, sometimes i put that "mod" into compressed versions..

But the question is : why putting it in ?
I could have, somehow, accepted it if it was somehow needed, but this game already have a feature letting the player choose the level of transparency he want, the mod was 100% unnecessary.


When I download an unofficial compressed version, I expect to still have the original game, and not an unsaid modded version of it.
And now I'm wondering how many of the games I downloaded in their compressed version I should test again, but in their uncompressed version. Just to be sure that I disliked the game because of itself, and not because of some liberties that the compressor took without warning the players about them.

Honestly, I feel betrayed and, because of you, lost faith not only in all the compressors, but also in the uploaders. Are you the only one to change the game, whatever how small can be the alteration, in addition to compressing the images ? Is there uploaders who do the same ?

Despite it being a pirate forum, I always saw F95zone as a place place where both games and their authors were respected. And now, thanks to you, I'm not sure that it's still a reality.
I'm not sure that, when I download a game, what I get is really what the author released, and not some personal vision of an uploader or a compressor.


You broke the dam of suspicion, not sure that you should see this as an achievement.

 

[Akamari]

not a problem...uploaded edited compressed version (text box removed, and compressed gui now should "work" better).
and for the record - yep, it is a matter of taste, Ive played it, and had no big issues with all that "issues".
on the other hand, i can understand you (if you are one of the game developers?), so it is ok to feel that way.
cheers

Thank you.

Maybe not big issues, but they were issues nonetheless and they were unnecessary. One would expect the compressed version doesn't alter user interface design. What one expects is slightly reduced quality at the benefit of a small download size, not a modded game.

What's the purpose of that mod anyway? The textbox is transparent in this game by default. There is even an opacity slider built for it in-game, so that you can change it to your liking.

 

[Abhai]

But the question is : why putting it in ?
I could have, somehow, accepted it if it was somehow needed, but this game already have a feature letting the player choose the level of transparency he want, the mod was 100% unnecessary.


When I download an unofficial compressed version, I expect to still have the original game, and not an unsaid modded version of it.
And now I'm wondering how many of the games I downloaded in their compressed version I should test again, but in their uncompressed version. Just to be sure that I disliked the game because of itself, and not because of some liberties that the compressor took without warning the players about them.

Honestly, I feel betrayed and, because of you, lost faith not only in all the compressors, but also in the uploaders. Are you the only one to change the game, whatever how small can be the alteration, in addition to compressing the images ? Is there uploaders who do the same ?

Despite it being a pirate forum, I always saw F95zone as a place place where both games and their authors were respected. And now, thanks to you, I'm not sure that it's still a reality.
I'm not sure that, when I download a game, what I get is really what the author released, and not some personal vision of an uploader or a compressor.

You broke the dam of suspicion, not sure that you should see this as an achievement.

please, there is no need to worry that much
anything i, or other crunchers modify/apply/patch/etc.. while processing games, we do mention it in the "compressed" posts...as in this case it was "transparent-text-box has been applied", alongside tools used for compression.

Thank you.
Maybe not big issues, but they were issues nonetheless and they were unnecessary. One would expect the compressed version doesn't alter user interface design. What one expects is slightly reduced quality at the benefit of a small download size, not a modded game.
What's the purpose of that mod anyway? The textbox is transparent in this game by default. There is even an opacity slider built for it in-game, so that you can change it to your liking.

I personally prefer that transparent text box, and im using it in all games i play...yet, in this case it was not necessary to apply, as the game already has the transparent text box by default...my mistake, there, i admit it, and i think there is no need to prolong this discussion anymore, if you agree.

 

[anne O'nymous]

please, there is no need to worry that much

Well, last time I checked, I was an adult and responsible to my worries. I'll worry if and when I feel it needed.

as in this case it was "transparent-text-box has been applied", alongside tools used for compression.

To paraphrase you, "please, there is no need to see me as an idiot".

I know perfectly what Penfold Mole mod do, as well as how it do it, its limitations, and why it changed so much among times since the version you include.

 

[Akamari]

I personally prefer that transparent text box, and im using it in all games i play...yet, in this case it was not necessary to apply, as the game already has the transparent text box by default...my mistake, there, i admit it, and i think there is no need to prolong this discussion anymore, if you agree.

Just one last thing. Can you remove links to your broken modded version? I see no reason to keep them.

 

[Abhai]

Well, last time I checked, I was an adult and responsible to my worries. I'll worry if and when I feel it needed.
To paraphrase you, "please, there is no need to see me as an idiot".
I know perfectly what Penfold Mole mod do, as well as how it do it, its limitations, and why it changed so much among times since the version you include.

ok, you are an adult , and you do wanna to worry, and oerhaps you do even know all the shit going around..so whats the point in prolonging this "debate" over?
i have said you do not need to worry that there will be some "unknown" stuff just dropped in compressed versions - all things are pretty much transparently done...as that penfolds mod used (and yep, perhaps he is outdated, yet in 99% of games I play it works just fine).
cheers

Just one last thing. Can you remove links to your broken modded version? I see no reason to keep them.

np

 

[anne O'nymous]

i have said you do not need to worry that there will be some "unknown" stuff just dropped in compressed versions

And what I said clearly explain that it's NOT why I worry. I hope that we can still expect the games downloaded here to be safe and to not have "unknown stuff".

But the fact is that I never talked about "unknown stuff", I talked about the lack of respect for the games and their authors. The issue is that you are altering the game to impose your own personal taste ; this in total disrespect of the author of the games and the players.
Even if you were the guarantor of good taste, or a world class reference in game design, you still wouldn't had the rights to decide in place of the game author, nor to force your own taste on us.

It's up to us, the players, to decide how we want our dialog box, and up to us only.

- all things are pretty much transparently done...as that penfolds mod used (and yep, perhaps he is outdated, yet in 99% of games I play it works just fine).

And on what criteria do you judge if it works just fine exactly ?
Do you have all the form of color blindness, in top of a dyslexia and a really bad eyesight inducing blurriness whatever the correction of your glasses ? And I don't talk about the many others problems, directly related to the eyesight or not, that can interfere here. Do you have all the software needed to simulate all this, and play the game using all of them ?
I really doubt about this, and therefore you aren't in position to judge if the addition of Penfold mole's mod "works just fine" or not.

The only thing you can say is that, to your knowledge and to it only, it don't seem to break the game. Yet, Penfold Mole haven't made so many updates just for the pleasure. So, even this isn't always true, especially since you use an really outdated version of the mod.


What you do is altering the game, a small alteration yes, but an alteration that, for some persons, can turn a good game into a shitty one.
This just because what was a clearly readable text over a background designed to offer the better possible readability to as many people as possible, is now an unreadable piece of shit for some of the players. And this, just because you personally think that it's better this way...

What you do is also a lack of respect for the game authors.
Some of them pass days to design their game interface, to make it pretty, to integrate the dialog box into the whole thing, to define a transparency level that will really add something into the game. Days to offer the liberty of choice to the player, to let them decide what level of transparency they want, if they want one. Days to center their CG in such way that the said dialog box will hide nothing significant or interesting, while still adding a little something to the whole picture.

And then you come, and put the mod inside because you decided on your own that it's should be like this, dot.
There's only on way to describe such attitude, and it's "total lack of respect".


But still, you are right on one point. There's no need to continue this debate. If you were mature enough to understand the problem, you wouldn't have caused it in the first place.