VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dr. Amana, Sexual Therapist [v2.0.0P] [Ianvs]

[RomanHume]

Look, if I didn't like the game, I wouldn't be her. This is one of few games that made me want to be supporter... but ... I think that devs cannot just take money and produce nothing for months... call me crazy... but I think that he needs to finds some way to compromise between his need to improve and learn as developer and releasing updates...

Generally by age one a child develops a sense of object permanence in which they understand that just because they can't see, touch, taste or smell something, it still exists. Just because I don't have a finished chapter to hand you right now, for fucking free, you think that I'm just sitting back and banking patreon money and I'm not actually working. Considering I've put in over 300+ hours of work since the last release, I take a huge fucking offence to that.

Tell you what, I'll send you all the code and game files that I have on my hard drive right now. And you can open up the copy of the game that's on your computer and then you can go through them one by one and look at the plethora of fucking changes that I've put into this game since the last update. The hours of writing, testing, writing, testing to ensure that when I do deliver the game, it doesn't fucking break like it does nearly every time I release.

I'm more than ready to put my money where my mouth is! I'll zip this shit and fire it over to you right now if it'll shut you up.

It's not about improving and learning moron. It's about increased stability to ensure saves don't break and to create a platform that allows me to focus on the only part of the project you think matters, the writing and the rendering. If you read any of the news releases I put out you'd know that.

And you know what? Fuck what you think about devs and their patrons. My relationship with my patrons is none of your goddamned business. If they didn't want to support me, they wouldn't. And I'm going to get offended on their behalf that you think you know better than them what they should do with their own money. I've never asked anyone for a dime. Not once.

I don't deride pirates. I treat every player like a paying customer. I'm a huge advocate on this forum and even mention it to my patrons (possibly shooting myself in the ass by showing them where I can get my game for free). People who support me trust me and believe me to be a man of my word. They see the value of the long term goal and appreciate the vision I have for this project. They've seen not only my dedication to quality, but to making sure that I"m delivering the best product and custom service experience that I can.

And I appreciate that my game made you "think" about being a supporter. But I'm going on record right now and telling you to never do it. If I recognize your handle or your id on patreon, I'm going to refund that shit and block you. I have enough to do without someone thinking they suddenly have the power to micromanage me just because they tipped me a dollar.

These last few months of dealing with outsourced art, failed attempts at team building, writing new chapters, rendering as much as possible and wrangling Renpy into doing exactly what I need it to do in a way I can trust it not to break in the future has been very mentally taxing. You coming in and accusing me of taking another's hard earned money and doing nothing for it, is why you're getting told to piss off.

 

[Tataro]

If you are not paying why complain about how the money is spent? I supported Ianvs since he decided to restart the game from scratch. I caught it here just in time to play the old version before reboot and loved it. I actually feel bad at how much effort he puts into this game for how little payoff. He just recently crossed a 1000$ on Patreon despite top tier renders and writing. People also have a job, they can't throw themselves at making a game 24-7. And those who do burn out. Chill dude

 

[RomanHume]

When I posted about Lola/Lita, in my head the way that would work is if you enable trans content, you can pick between Lola and Lita when Rodger goes to the club, and if you disabled trans, you would automatically go to Lita.

Now, the way I imagined that choice being made is pretty simple, Rodger would simply choose to go left or right when looking around in the club. One direction would go to Lola, and the other Lita, this choice is skipped if you disable trans. If you picked Lita, but had trans on, that doesn't disable future trans content.


As far as Lola/Lita both dating MC, I don't think you need to do that. It can still be binary, for the most part. It's interesting that you're considering having them promoted to main girls, I personally think it'd be interesting if they were "hybrid" characters.

A hybrid basically means they are a combination of a side and main girl, they don't have full red/blue paths like the other main girls, they combine into a red/blue path. They'd have a split portrait in the character selection screen. Going blue would eventually mean that Rodger will end up dating Lola, going red would mean Lita. Lola doesn't have a red path, Lita doesn't have a blue path, if you stay in the middle, you can either fool around with both, but never begin an actual relationship, or not get with either of them. If you disable trans, that just disables Lola's side of the path so you are stopped from going blue.

TLDR, it's combining two characters into a single red/blue path. One character is the blue, the other red. Polar opposites, if you will

Fair enough. I've been mulling this one over hard for a bit.

I would love to eliminate the trans option and just make it so you can pick between the two when you get to the club, but if I don't reveal ahead of time that Lola is transgender, I'm going to upset some players who pick her and are then surprised and turned off when she "opens up".

The only option would be to reveal to players ahead of that choice that she's transgender. But if I reveal ahead of time that Lola is transgender, then the entertaining scene with the "big reveal" can't happen and would have to change. Personally I love that scene.

I think for now I'm going to just leave things as is. But in another scene or two, once a player on either path, trans or no trans, has had a chance to really get to understand what each character is about, give them the chance the chose between Lita or Lola.

Hello. so when the new content update?

When done.

Ok ty for the aswer, but, if I choose red option with Amanda, only will obtain with her a rough fuck with her? Never a relationship? Is my fav, her and Emily and want both for relationship haha

No, the rough fuck thing only applies to Jane. And just because you and Jane are sport fucking doesn't mean you don't have a "relationship". It's just going to be different than the one you have if you are on the blue path.

Same with Amanda, if you go blue, your relationship will be flavored different than on the red path. It's hard to say much more without dropping too many spoilers.

Hang on - didn't you say earlier that 7 main girls was too many? Now you might be adding more?

To see almost all scenes, play each girl twice - one red, one blue.

I should clarify. I'm only talking about adding girls if/when this new method of development sans coding proves to be fast and efficient. I'm sticking with the main girls for now and if I reach a point where I think I can produce content reasonably fast, I'll throw in some more Primary Lovers.

The point I think I was making is that I'm restructuring the code so that when/if I find myself in that position, I can upgrade any character by converting their "Supporting Cast" object into a "Lover" object. This gives them some additional stats to track and changes where and how they appear in some menus. I'm laying the ground work now just in case.

 

[RomanHume]

If you are not paying why complain about how the money is spent? I supported Ianvs since he decided to restart the game from scratch. I caught it here just in time to play the old version before reboot and loved it. I actually feel bad at how much effort he puts into this game for how little payoff. He just recently crossed a 1000$ on Patreon despite top tier renders and writing. People also have a job, they can't throw themselves at making a game 24-7. And those who do burn out. Chill dude

And I love and respect my patrons and players. I make it a point to remember the ones that communicate with me a lot on patreon, discord, and here.

In fact, I'll never forget, but Tataro is the reason I have a Discord at all! It was Tataro's inquiry that made me look into setting one up! 48 hours later it was up and rolling because it was a great idea!

 

[RomanHume]

This leads me to a question. How are you going to deal with change in path? Say that I happen to go red, get cute Jane pregnant but eventually go blue in the other one? Isn't there any danger of discontinuities?

About the example you mentioned: pity. I want a meaningful relationship with her but I also love Red Jane. Not that I don't love blue Jane, but i find her Red version totally irresistible!

In a complex game like this there is always a danger of discontinuity. I try to keep three things in mind when writing.

1. Is what I'm writing going to box me into a corner? If I go down this path, is there a quick sensible way off of it?
2. Will it make sense if the characters does a 180 from whatever position they're in. Can they turn completely around from here or will writing this make them committed to some act or position?
3. Does this contradict too much with anything a character has done or said previously on either path in the game.

It's challenging but it's the kind of challenge I enjoy because when you do it successfully it comes off like you're really slick! It's about making sure I have one or two outs of any given situation.

But because I know that I'm not all seeing and mistakes have and will be made, one thing I'm testing is structuring my journal entries, code and scenes in such a way that changing something in a scene that is two or three releases old, will not cause a break in a future scene, and that the change will roll forward and keep the player from ever having to do a restart.

Haha, I just started playing this game, and, aside from the spelling mistakes I saw as I'm progressing through the prologue, my first impression when I get to Nanami's sex scene isn't "Nice" or anything like that. It's "Oh shit, she's yakuza? Is MC working for the mob?"

Remember what Jesus said: Judge me not on the quality of my spelling, but on the quality of my story.

Or something like that. Yeah, typos are my bane. But fortunately I have a very intelligent player community that always keeps me up to date on those mistakes and I try to fix them all before future releases.

That aside, I hate to comment too much on characters for fear of spoilers. But thank you for giving the game a play! I do appreciate the feedback!

As someone who doesn't code and has no real understanding of it, this is all...

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Keep being the unicorn on Shia's shirt (magical If that isn't clear)

No matter how hard I try, I fucking laugh every time I see this. It's inexplicable and I have no idea why I find it so damned funny.

But yes, good code, no break, working saves, MAGIC!

 

[RomanHume]

Came for Jane. Literally, symbolically and figuratively. Just wondering when she gets some new content.

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Come at me bruv!

Jane, Lupita and Cassie are the three characters currently mid-development as I try to wrap up this coding work. (It's nearly done, I'm just sorting out some of the bugs in the gui. Renpy is a fickle bitch.)

For your next big project RomanHume you could re-write renpy itself

I'd rather try to pull down the fucking moon.

If they tackle the issues of APKs created by RAPT only being capable of using one expansion file the people playing VNs with painstakingly detailed renders on fiddly touchscreen devices would be all over them, drowning them in money.

You might have to explain this one a little deeper for me. I'm fascinated by what you said, but have only started digging into learning Android in the last month or so, and most of that education went on the back burner for a bit till I'm caught up elsewhere. So your words use acronyms I know, but I don't understand the nature of the problem you're talking about.

Really enjoyed this so far. Looking forward to more content and updates down the road.

Appreciate you playing and offering up some feedback! Cheers mate!

Last update was only 4 months ago and in that time he's been busy working on the game and making things easier for himself in the long run with some short term hardship (writing code to write code). Have you not been reading the patreon posts?
Plus he has a family so can't just do this 24/7

I guess it's customary to assume that anyone making a game on this site just lives in a hole by themselves and don't have other responsibilities in life. But I think people also don't have any conception of how much work goes into making a good game. Thanks for the assist mate!

 

[RomanHume]

Jezz... some people really seem to live totally disconnected from reality. Probably not even a patron, but it's here complaining and demanding faster updates of a developer who is regularly active here interacting with us in a pirate forum that has his own game divulged in a non-legitimate way; those people just deserve a dev like Gumdrop shitting on their heads like a bird.

I'm generally very good about taking negative critiques, etc. I'm respectful and I was a player long before I was a developer. So I understand where people are coming from. Anyone who has been around this forum for any length of time knows that I'm pretty laid back.

But I do pay attention here and I when I see the same names popping up complaining, and then I run a search to see what all they've posted and discover it's been nothing but just gripe after gripe about the delivery date of their free game, well then I feel justified in showing my ugly sinister side for a bit.

I don't unload like that on everyone. If this had been his first time, I'd have sympathized, apologized for the delays and try to explain the reason for things. But repeat offenders?! I just get it out of my system and move on.



Ugh, and I was a Gumdrop patron. It was one of the first games I had played before discovering F95Zone. So yeah, I get it. But I respond to everyone and I'm always willing to back up what I say. If I needed a break or wanted to take a month off, I'd pause Patreon and just tell everyone "I'm out for a bit, I gotta recharge." The backlash from that is easier than lying for months and months and then having to deal with the lie when you come back *cough*isctor*cough....

 

[Ilhares]

No matter how hard I try, I fucking laugh every time I see this. It's inexplicable and I have no idea why I find it so damned funny.

I tend to laugh at it a bit as well, because it's so damn spot-on I didn't realize the first few times that it was Shia and not the actual magician Doug Henning, who I grew up watching on TV as a youth.

 

[polycentric]

RomanHume -

I've been following this thread for some time because, as odd as this might seem, I thoroughly enjoy reading your thoughts about creating your game even more than the game itself. You write with a directness and clarity which I find refreshing, especially in this cesspool of teenagers just looking for teh bewbs...

Tonight, however, you took my respect for you to the next level by standing up for yourself in the way that you did and I believe that should be rewarded. I am now a patron of your project and will increase that as I rebalance my Patreon budget.

 

[RomanHume]

RomanHume -

I've been following this thread for some time because, as odd as this might seem, I thoroughly enjoy reading your thoughts about creating your game even more than the game itself. You write with a directness and clarity which I find refreshing, especially in this cesspool of teenagers just looking for teh bewbs...

Tonight, however, you took my respect for you to the next level by standing up for yourself in the way that you did and I believe that should be rewarded. I am now a patron of your project and will increase that as I rebalance my Patreon budget.

Nothing I can really say would wholly express my gratitude. Thank you!

I'll never ask anyone for money, but I am sincerely grateful for every single dollar anyone chooses to support the project with.

I'd love to do this full time one day. And I know that getting to that point means regular updates and consistency. But I would rather work hard to get there on a solid foundation that will support this game into the future, than to just jam out as much content as I can no matter how broken or janky it is.

I know the waits can be long and I'm apologetic for that. I just always hope that when the drop, the time, energy, effort and passion are apparent.

Some devs annoy me because they get thousands and thousands of dollars a month, but act like they're too busy or too good to talk with the players. I never want to be that dev. I always try and respond to every comment and inquiry. I may not always respond quickly, but like tonight I had some time between test runs that I try and catch up on all the chatter.

If you ever feel I'm slipping or losing the edge, let me know!

And hopefully when you get behind that paywall you'll at the very least find some tantalizing art for your imagination to play with while I get this done.

 

[StarWulf]

Plot twist in all of this... We end up knocking up the Doc and bring her into the fold of the harem... And maybe a threesome with Jane and Cassie... :3

P.S. RomanHume You certainly seem to be one the few Devs out here that tends to listen and take feedback rather well. Tis great thing for a Dev to listen to us lowly horny plebs with our thoughts and sins.

 

[RomanHume]

And just so everyone is clear, I'll never hard line a position I'm not 100% confident of. But I'm sitting on a mountain of hard work right now in code and art that I'll gladly throw in the face of anyone that accuses me of being some shill whose sitting back and milking patrons.

I have a lot of love and passion for this story. I love my characters, my setting, and everything transpiring in my head that is going to happen between them.

I work on this game for four and five hours a night after the family has split up to do their own thing. This game IS my free time. But it's not a burden. I look forward to those hours every single day because making this game is one of the most fun things I've gotten build.

I get to connect with players from all over the world, talk with like minds, and chat with people that are just as interested in these characters and their story as I am. Isn't that what every fiction writer wants?! To have their work loved as much as they do?

Anyway, I know on occasion I have to go off on some one here and there when they touch the right button, but by and large I love all of my players. And even if you don't like the game, I still love learning why. Sometimes it opens up creative doors I wouldn't have discovered on my own.

Thank you ALL for playing! I truly do salute you!

 

[RomanHume]

Plot twist in all of this... We end up knocking up the Doc and bring her into the fold of the harem... And maybe a threesome with Jane and Cassie... :3

P.S. RomanHume You certainly seem to be one the few Devs out here that tends to listen and take feedback rather well. Tis great thing for a Dev to listen to us lowly horny plebs with our thoughts and sins.

When it comes to value of listening to players, paying or not, I always point the pregnancy thing.

As a writer, I like things that create drama because that's where interesting stories come from. The heat of whatever thing is challenging them. I know pregnancy isn't for everyone, but when someone mentioned adding to the game, it was like lightning.

I'm like, "SO MUCH DRAMA!!!! THIS IS CRAZY AND AMAZING!!!", and from that point forward I knew the game had to have it. There's a lot of sexy stuff you can do with it, as well as story stuff.

Not every great thing in this game was of my own design. Much of it came from just talking to players about possibilities.

 

[moonmite84]

Has there been any word or hint for when the next update is going to be? Not complaining, just asking. This game seems like it would be fiendishly difficult to write with all of the variables, much less code and render.

 

[Hordragg]

You might have to explain this one a little deeper for me. I'm fascinated by what you said, but have only started digging into learning Android in the last month or so, and most of that education went on the back burner for a bit till I'm caught up elsewhere. So your words use acronyms I know, but I don't understand the nature of the problem you're talking about.

With pleasure. Although I'll have you know that neither Android nor Ren'Py is my area of expertise.

The root of the problem lies with Android enforcing artificial file size limitations on APKs. The overall size currently can't exceed 4GiB and has to be distributed among 3 files: the initial APK with a maximum download size of 100MiB and two so called expansion files of 2GiB each. The problem at hand is the Ren'Py Android Packaging Tool only making use of one expansion file and in turn limiting Ren'Py games to a maximum asset size of 2GiB to remain playable under Android. And while this doesn't need to concern you at the moment, it may force you to (re)compress certain assets or split your build pipeline at a later point in time if you want to support Android devices.

See

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regarding it's support of expansion files and

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on the Android Developer Blog (while predating the

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of the initial APK it's still a concise alternative to the

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) on the nature of said files.

Hope this helps!

Ah man, just came back from reading the rest of your replies from last night. I was especially moved to see that while I wind down playing games you're winding down making one - basically on the same time of day. I also realized I'm pledging too little... Well, time to put my money where my mouth is, I guess.

 

[ArAyAiBoy]

Came for Jane. Literally, symbolically and figuratively. Just wondering when she gets some new content.

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Come at me bruv!

Dude what? How do you mispell Cass that badly multiple times. You got a few symbols wrong there too, probs some html or some shizz tho, here let me help you:

Cass = Cass = Cassie >>> ...clear daylight... > Jane and the rest

There. Much better

 

[goobdoob]

But I do pay attention here and I when I see the same names popping up complaining, and then I run a search to see what all they've posted and discover it's been nothing but just gripe after gripe about the delivery date of their free stolen game, well then I feel justified in showing my ugly sinister side for a bit.

Fixed that for you!

Ugh, and I was a Gumdrop patron. It was one of the first games I had played before discovering F95Zone. S

How did you find DF before you found F95zone? I found DFD on Newgrounds, then searched for more chapters, and that led me here.

If I needed a break or wanted to take a month off, I'd pause Patreon and just tell everyone "I'm out for a bit, I gotta recharge." The backlash from that is easier than lying for months and months and then having to deal with the lie when you come back *cough*isctor*cough....

But...that $50k/month piling up in the bank account for several months makes it WAY easier to deal with the lie!


About milking - I've seen so many idiots nice people here bitch about milking, when it was quite clear that the $106 the dev (Aorrta, in this case) was getting for doing nothing isn't him sitting back enjoying the good life while doing nothing. Some times it's obvious (Gumdrop, etc), but "milking" gets thrown around too often. Usually by people who drive by and don't read the thread, and have no idea what's going on. Kind of like the idiots nice people who bitch that Pandelo still gets $2k/month, even though we haven't heard from him in a year and a half. Never mind that his patrons confirmed (and keep confirming) that he pauses Patreon every month.

My point - the forum is full of idiots nice people. Don't let them get you down.

 

[JackSatcher]

Glad to hear Lupita is getting some love in the next update. Been eagerly waiting to see what’s in store for her.

 

[mannice431]

Probably not long now till the update.

 

[JamesVik]

Jezz... some people really seem to live totally disconnected from reality. Probably not even a patron, but it's here complaining and demanding faster updates of a developer who is regularly active here interacting with us in a pirate forum that has his own game divulged in a non-legitimate way; those people just deserve a dev like Gumdrop shitting on their heads like a bird.

Complaining about the pirate forum while using the pirate forum. Outstanding!