VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[Dukez]

By the simple definition of a merge, yes, it is, but it obviously is not what was desired, and a roughly merged product would require even more work to get it into order for the bugs and jank to be properly resolved as well. Better to fix things and rework everything to be modular to begin with, and then merge all those components together. Dukez mentioned in another post that most likely this is what is being done too, but silently behind the scenes. It's mostly just a lack of communication that ends up with people guessing and angry and frankly, y'all've every right to be angry about the lack of communication and updates.

I guess I'll chuck some additional thoughts on this.

1) They really shouldn't call it a merge given what they said they are doing with it and how long it's taken it kind of oversells how long a merge should take *cough*, but even by their own previous examples. And yet, it can't be called a remaster or remake either since from a player perspective that will not be the case. Not sure what you would call it then.

2) Speaking on player perspective, a "jank" version is good enough if it works cause from the player perspective of playing it there would be nothing wrong and "just works" which is what my merge was supposed to point out mostly. I think it is a common trap for game developers to over complicate stuff and the result is it takes significantly longer or ends up scrapped as a result.

3) I'm not even sure how much is broken, and part of this is because it's been so long since actually playing it and what wasn't working and when but I think most (?) things were working in the latest releases which you would work off of and work backwards since you have a base that works already. (like I did)

4) Lack of communication is definitely a thing, but it's more so a lack of detailed information that's the problem. When they try to give detailed information it often doesn't make logical sense so that doesn't help either. I know the 'saves' is something they presented as a big issue but thinking about it now, does renpy have a hard limit on how many variables it can track? I remember looking at one of the saves and it seemed oddly bloated which I still think is just poor design, but maybe if there's any devs around here they can answer if they know of any hard limits the renpy save system has or not.

 

[OctoSky]

How about we all just agree to disagree and move on talking about new conten- wait. Nevermind. Um, how about the teasers that blue showed- Oh right. "Cough" Hmm, how about the latest github notifications-...."sigh". Ok, how about which is the better pet? Cat or Dog?

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

I prefer cats. Just not blue ones. For obvious reasons

Doesn't work that way as a comparison, unfortunately.

Firstly, premade components that are made to order to interlink exactly as designed are a far cry from premade components that do their own thing and need to be rebuilt to interlink, especially when the broken parts and jank of them need to be entirely reworked so they don't stick out like a sore thumb.

Secondly, Latecomer is a single person who is doing several other projects himself and has been noted continuously and consistantly, from a casual googling, as being very busy; not a vast array of employees who have been working in the industry and specifically with the premade components method to make them properly modular and interlink them from step 1. While they've been doing this for years, I don't think I'd put them at the same level as professional employees who work for a single company and specialize in that specific line of work, working on a single job site until it is done and only then moving on. EDIT: Especially after the remarks I've seen in these last few pages about how the machine translation is better than Latecomer's, since apparently not just coding but also translation was their purview; that to me especially doesn't bode well, especially as how coding is so specific with ensuring that you get the spelling and in-language grammar correct.

Thirdly, Dukez even acknowledged that it was a total hackjob (just spent 20+ minutes looking for this merge and info on it, a link would've been nice considering all the posts made, even by Dukez himself, with the word "merge" in it, and with little else to go off of, that broad search is what I had to use to hunt down anything; ended up with https://f95zone.to/threads/ecchi-sensei-halloween-special-bluecat.14927/page-861#post-7318476 as reference for this), with him just slapping the jank together with rough code. By the simple definition of a merge, yes, it is, but it obviously is not what was desired, and a roughly merged product would require even more work to get it into order for the bugs and jank to be properly resolved as well. Better to fix things and rework everything to be modular to begin with, and then merge all those components together. Dukez mentioned in another post that most likely this is what is being done too, but silently behind the scenes. It's mostly just a lack of communication that ends up with people guessing and angry and frankly, y'all've every right to be angry about the lack of communication and updates.

Anyways, my comment wasn't about the game itself or trying to defend Bluecat's bullshit, only pointing out that your comparisons were terribly made and only used surface-level information to bolster your argument when looking just beyond the surface shows how incompatible it was with the point you're trying to make.

Latecomers apparently trying to remake Renpy. They're as delusional as bluecat. And seeing as they can't do a months worth of work in a year and a half, I don't think any of it really matters anymore. What they say and what they do are polar opposites. I wouldn't bother getting vexed about any of it tbh

 

[OctoSky]

your mother

Considering that my mother was a raging slut in her 20's, 30's, and early 40's and gave it out to any guy that said hi to her, yeah, I wouldn't doubt she would make one hell of a pet. Course if you boned her it would be like throwing a hotdog down an empty hallway.

 

[Redyscom]

So in almost 2 years we have:
-No new content announcements.
-No detailed information.
-Two person giving contradictory information about the state of the game.
-0 Tasers about how all is going.
-Not even an alpha or new "events"
- Between 1-2 months for any vague information.

Wait... Overwatch?

Btw, the first 4 weeks have a weight of 50g - 70g at least no?

 

[Wolfen5]

So in almost 2 years we have:
-No new content announcements.
-No detailed information.
-Two person giving contradictory information about the state of the game.
-0 Tasers about how all is going.
-Not even an alpha or new "events"
- Between 1-2 months for any vague information.

Wait... Overwatch?

Btw, the first 4 weeks have a weight of 50g - 70g at least no?

Yeah but...they now have (possibly) MTL and novels upon novels of script so....yeah I can't finish that sentence either.

 

[OctoSky]

So in almost 2 years we have:
-No new content announcements.
-No detailed information.
-Two person giving contradictory information about the state of the game.
-0 Tasers about how all is going.
-Not even an alpha or new "events"
- Between 1-2 months for any vague information.

Wait... Overwatch?

Btw, the first 4 weeks have a weight of 50g - 70g at least no?

-New content was announced by Bluecat in January 2021. Just needed a translator for it.
-What do you mean no detailed info? Latecomer told us how he had to take apart Renpy to make saves(?) work. Bluecat told us how the Portuguese translation is coming along. Very detailed posts.
-See what happened is that Skummy moved to a new house and the cell reception is terrible, so when Blue tells him something Skummy doesn't hear all of it and gets his info mixed up. Its not his fault. Bluecat is just a very honest person and the reception is making Skummy look bad.
-Skummy told us how its going and we all know that he is 100% honest and transparent. Thats why if you call him on his bullshit he puts you on his ignore list. Honesty and transparency.
-The Alpha was already released. Everyone has been playing it. If you need help on starting it, just close your eyes and think of anything. There you go. You are now playing the Alpha.
-Well this one I can actually give a real answer. Bluecat releases a "update" post on Patreon every two months to keep it from being marked as abandoned on here. Even though he puts his nose in the air and thinks we are all a bunch of piece of shit pirates on a toxic forum, he still knows that this site is where he gets his patrons, so he'll keep it from being marked abandoned.

 

[LordMerek]

New Status Update:

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I'd post here what it says if I was a patron. Not going to spend $5 for a post.

Edit: It Seems people on Discord are not as hopeful as I am.

 

[OctoSky]

New Status Update:

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I'd post here what it says if I was a patron. Not going to spend $5 for a post.

Edit: It Seems people on Discord are not as hopeful as I am.

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If this is the update, why even use this word anymore, that shows the MTL translations than Skummy already shared it here.
https://f95zone.to/threads/ecchi-sensei-halloween-special-bluecat.14927/page-897#post-7652035

And if its not, then I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in this post that says "I wish I finally had something positive to announce". Almost two years since the last content update (I don't consider specials as content only filler to keep the masses paying) and Bluecat is still saying he has nothing positive to report. Wow, just wow.

 

[LordMerek]

If this is the update, why even use this word anymore, that shows the MTL translations than Skummy already shared it here.
https://f95zone.to/threads/ecchi-sensei-halloween-special-bluecat.14927/page-897#post-7652035

And if its not, then I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in this post that says "I wish I finally had something positive to announce". Almost two years since the last content update (I don't consider specials as content only filler to keep the masses paying) and Bluecat is still saying he has nothing positive to report. Wow, just wow.

I really don't get it though. THIS WAS AN AMAZING VISUAL NOVEL, certainly one of the best. What kind of idiot just puts it into a 2-year hiatus for stupid reasons? If I don't see a release this year, then I will consider it dead and move on with my life.

 

[A Common Crab]

I really don't get it though. THIS WAS AN AMAZING VISUAL NOVEL, certainly one of the best. What kind of idiot just puts it into a 2-year hiatus for stupid reasons? If I don't see a release this year, then I will consider it dead and move on with my life.

Easy money

 

[LordMerek]

Easy money

Well, I guess he has something in common with OnlyFans models who don't show anything but leg.

 

[okapaa]

This is a fucking joke. Redoing the entire game would've taken less time than this "merge"

 

[RandoCard3]

New Status Update:

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I'd post here what it says if I was a patron. Not going to spend $5 for a post.

Edit: It Seems people on Discord are not as hopeful as I am.

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That's just showing off the machine translation to get the Patrons opinion on it. It actually looks pretty good, and may mean we can finally move on with new content.

I really don't get it though. THIS WAS AN AMAZING VISUAL NOVEL, certainly one of the best. What kind of idiot just puts it into a 2-year hiatus for stupid reasons? If I don't see a release this year, then I will consider it dead and move on with my life.

It was a good reason though. The game is janky as shit. Those bug fixes are sorely needed. They just seemingly weren't good enough to make it happen. They should have moved onto new content ages ago though, before they even hit the 1 year mark.

 

[Redyscom]

2 years paying for just can see announcements about how they are working on a thing that have to take less than 6 months.

This is a fucking joke. Redoing the entire game would've taken less time than this "merge"

I don't know how hard is making all again... but maybe you'r rigth.

 

[Queen of Hearts]

New Status Update:

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I'd post here what it says if I was a patron. Not going to spend $5 for a post.

Edit: It Seems people on Discord are not as hopeful as I am.

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Nobody else notice that someone emojied out "SCAM" in blue?

 

[opiex942]

I really don't get it though. THIS WAS AN AMAZING VISUAL NOVEL, certainly one of the best. What kind of idiot just puts it into a 2-year hiatus for stupid reasons? If I don't see a release this year, then I will consider it dead and move on with my life.

I wouldn't call it amazing. It was pretty good, comparatively, for the period during which it launched. It didn't improve(in terms of visuals, quality of writing, UI or general "feel") significantly during the 2ish years of regular releases and it's been stagnating for close to another two. The only metric by which it beats any AVN out there(that I'm aware of) is the sheer number of characters.

And there's a very good reason most devs stick to a limited number of main LIs and a bunch of side characters.

 

[rentintin]

jesus. this thread is the perfect source, if someone is going to write a thesis on "human gullibility and the psychology behind it".

you fuckers need to get over this vn. it's not happening anymore and everything they've told you is bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

jesus. this thread is the perfect source, if someone is going to write a thesis on "human gullibility and the psychology behind it".

you fuckers need to get over this vn. it's not happening anymore and everything they've told you is bullshit.

I'd say there's threads with far more gullible people on this site than this one

Here, 1% of people believe the new imaginary problem that they announce every few months, and the new solution to that imaginary problem that bluecat is working on. But most of us aren't that ignorant to believe it. We got over this game a long time ago

 

[Wolfen5]

jesus. this thread is the perfect source, if someone is going to write a thesis on "human gullibility and the psychology behind it".

you fuckers need to get over this vn. it's not happening anymore and everything they've told you is bullshit.

Meh, it's entertainment. The gf watches "Real housewives of Beverly Hills" laughing at their folly, I do the same here. Difference strokes for different folks.
Keeping the thread alive ensures the continuation of fun. This site wants it alive by not putting the "abandoned" tag, so why not partake, if it gives us laughs and a little drama?