Bobbos

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I was bored and decided to use Graphtreon to roughly figure out how much money he made since December 2016.
He made around $8 per Patreon before he decided to hide his income and after a little math I came to the number of $34490 on average every month since December 2016 or $2103920 in total before taxes.

His Patreons could drop down to 1000 and he would still earn enough to live a comfortable life.
 

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Alright. As a long time player and resident of this thread, I'm actually sitting down to do a Sara run today, and just got to the "new content," meaning the July '21 update (using that term very loosely) and laughed when I remembered you STILL see the "Content" warning at the end of the initial content, as seen below:

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Now that's how quick the July update was thrown together, when he couldn't even remove the "disclaimer" from .6e. That ss is living proof that any care about this game is LOOOOONG gone.
 
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Just played it and IMO the corruption tag should be removed.
The Corruption tag is there, in my opinion, for Sara's content, which is sort of what he's doing to her. A lot of games have the "teaching the younger sister" sex stuff. In other games, it's even considered grooming almost, but as a 2-yr player almost of this game, the Corruption tag, in my opinion, is sorta accurate.
 
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amancito

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The Corruption tag is there, in my opinion, for Sara's content, which is sort of what he's doing to her. A lot of games have the "teaching the younger sister" sex stuff. In other games, it's even considered grooming almost, but as a 2-yr player almost of this game, the Corruption tag, in my opinion, is sorta accurate.
She wants to be with you from the start. When you play games with her she's the one that proposes that the looser should get naked and then this happens:



In this game all the women want to be with you from the start. You don't do anything "malicious" to make them desire you, which is what corruption is IMO. If you make good things and that's why they desire you then it's not corruption, it's romance.
 
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I don't think he was calling BaDIK a milk machine, that Top 5, I gathered are his top 5 personal choice games, but why would this game be on that list if he's attacking it?

Whatever.. DPC is certainly NOT a milk machine. This dude is. Two completely different sides of the developer spectrum. I put DPC in a list with NLT and Philly among the best devs.
 

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In this game all the women want to be with you from the start. You don't do anything "malicious" to make them desire you, which is what corruption is IMO.
"Corruption is the abuse of power for a private gain". For example, he does corrupt Sara by using "some" manipulation to get her do what he wants. Obviously she is willing to go for it from the get go, but the main character still does need to use some corruption to push her buttons so that she goes over the limit. And I take it that you skipped Celia's route, as that had the most corruption in the whole game? She doesn't want to be with main character (which is the whole backstory for the whole game), and the main character has to blackmail and corrupt her to get her. Hell, he even drugs her so he can basically just rape her and corrupt her mind that way. Caroline also has some corruption on her path, as she is not willing to be with the main character from the start, so the main character has to corrupt her mind also a little bit.
 
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amancito

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"Corruption is the abuse of power for a private gain". For example, he does corrupt Sara by using "some" manipulation to get her do what he wants. Obviously she is willing to go for it from the get go, but the main character still does need to use some corruption to push her buttons so that she goes over the limit. And I take it that you skipped Celia's route, as that had the most corruption in the whole game? She doesn't want to be with main character (which is the whole backstory for the whole game), and the main character has to blackmail and corrupt her to get her. Hell, he even drugs her so he can basically just rape her and corrupt her mind that way. Caroline also has some corruption on her path, as she is not willing to be with the main character from the start, so the main character has to corrupt her mind also a little bit.
I haven't finished Celia's route, for the moment there's only blackmail. In the case of Caroline she wants to be with you because you help her and in fact she confesses that she loves you since a long time ago (and that's why she distances herself from you at some point).

In the case of Sara after that scene she sends you a nipple shot without any input from you. Then you play with her again (because she wants to see you naked again) but you win by changing the controller. And then she comes to your bed to touch your dick and take another picture without any interaction from you (she just talks with her friend). Hell, after that you play the bottle game and she gets jealous, only to end up asking you if you want her to give you a blowjob (again, this is her idea and you don't push her in any way).

If that's corruption for you then we will have to disagree. Now, if the Celia's route is as you say then the corruption tag is correct, but there is no corruption in the house.
 

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If that's corruption for you then we will have to disagree.
The literal definition for corruption is "the abuse of power for a private gain", that is a fact that's not debatable. He does exactly that with every other girl in the game except Linda, as Linda is the one who corrupts the main character in their relationship.
 

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The literal definition for corruption is "the abuse of power for a private gain", that is a fact that's not debatable. He does exactly that with every other girl in the game except Linda, as Linda is the one who corrupts the main character in their relationship.
I've just restarted the game to see if I was wrong and this is what Sara thinks when you "steal" her panties:






And then she sends you a photo in her underwear. This is at the start of the game and the MC has done nothing to push her in that way. You don't need to corrupt her because she already wants to be with you.
 

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It would be fascinating to see if this actually happened since there's so many different barriers involved. Patreon would have to give up the identity of the infringer and ICSTOR would have to reveal himself since I'm pretty sure you can't sue someone anonymously. The amounts involved likely aren't worth the hassle and expense of hiring a lawyer; the few hundred bucks a month at stake wouldn't cover a half-day's billing rate of a decent IP attorney.

You'd also run into issues if the infringing party is located in a separate country (particularly if it's one that takes a somewhat dim view of IP protection for foreign parties), and even if you climbed all of that you'd have the horribly embarrassing situation of a legal case over a knockoff of a thinly-veiled incest porn game. Can you imagine shit like this going to discovery? I'd lay odds that ICSTOR pirated the Daz models and various modeling tools long before he saw a single nickel of Patreon cash, which would get him in all manner of trouble with the amount of money he's earned from his games over the years.
Moreover, if the person doing a fan mod doesn’t make any money off it, they’re in the clear. If I had any skill in art/programming I’d do it myself.
 

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Let's be honest. Who looks at their "bank statement" anymore? We all just go online and check our balance. As long as there is money there we go on. Only if there is a major problem do we begin looking as to why. 1-5 dollars isn't going to be a major problem.

They aren't going to do it but. Patreon should should contact supporters of games like this and ask if they still want to be a supporter.
I get what you are saying, and I agree. But, that is not in Patreon's best interest as they would lose revenue.
I wish there was some sort of law or something that you as a consumer would have to confirm a recurring subscription every XX months.
 

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Moreover, if the person doing a fan mod doesn’t make any money off it, they’re in the clear. If I had any skill in art/programming I’d do it myself.
This is a very common misconception, and its dangerous advice to follow. Just because something is fan-made or non-profit does not mean it is exempt from copyright law or the penalties that can follow ( ). There are countless examples of fan mods using copyrighted characters or stories that were hit with Cease and Desists, even if the assets were entirely made by the modders themselves. Most large modding projects that touch on copyrighted works, like Skywind or Black Mesa, exist because of an explicit or implied licensing agreement with the copyright holder, and most smaller ones are still around only because they're too small or niche to attract attention. Fair Use is a legal doctrine, not a magic shield, and its application is subject to a judge's interpretation of the relevant statutes and case law. Unless you're a lawyer or you have one on retainer, I recommend staying as far away from it as possible.

Honestly, if someone has the technical chops to recreate Milfy City they should just do a cheap knockoff instead. The story is derivative as hell, the characters are all morphs of commercially-available models, and the game engine is free to use. Call it "MILFtown, USA", about a nameless generic midget MC and his sexual misadventures with his "landlady" Glinda, his "roommates" Coraline and Clara, and the various teachers/classmates/transients he runs across. Morph the same models slightly differently, use the same off-the-shelf environments rendered at different angles and settings, and hire some hack romance novelist to write a lame plot to string it all together. Voila, new IP.
 
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