Sounds like she finally did hire a mediator as a last resort a Jake ( it would be cool if it was Karlsson's Jake). That being said, I wish she'd tone down the pats on the back that she does when writing these outs, that doesn't help matters. But yea regardless, this has been a good game and I've had a blast trying to figure it out with my fellow round group of supporters. So hopefully the situation is resolved. If not, I've had a blast debating y'all on what the clues mean in this game.
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Dover, communicating with someone without seeing the interlocutor (even virtually) is not the best solution. It also doesn't help that no one in this thread officially represents Tess herself, and if anyone is following the discussion, it's in read-only mode... But I'll try to answer...
1. Before you accuse me of all the deadly sins, adding me to the company of those guys, because of whose patreon DM posts Tess decided to cut part of the final Dom scene), it would be great if Anais took the time to read what I, Maviarab and some other players write in this thread.
I won't speak for others (not denying Maviarab's huge contribution in supporting this game), but I will answer for myself. Over the years, I have helped and am helping (to the best of my ability) players to better understand this game by giving hints and tips. In any conflicts that arise, I have always supported Tess and explained her position on many issues. I've heard accusations of sycophancy and sucking up to the developer (Tess) more than once against me, but that hasn't stopped me.
All these years I (as well as some other active players, such as the much respected Maviarab) have taken it upon myself to not only volunteer to help players, but also to communicate Tess' position on many issues of the game. So I'm the last person who can be accused of inappropriate behavior or anything like that. All of this is easy to verify - just use the search on the thread (with my nickname) and see for yourself.
So when Tess was forced to leave f95, myself and a small group of old-timers (including Maviarab and Silver_Crow117) sincerely tried to help and replace Tess' absence from this thread by volunteering to take on the job of...let's call it community managers..
But only we did and do it from the heart, no one pays us money for it... And we do it because we love this game, we respect Tess's talent and we want as many people as possible to share our passion.
I admit, my reaction was overly emotional and somewhat excessive and I had no intention of offending Tess, though it was largely provoked by other posts in this thread, left right after the Developer Diary was published, in which Tess said she was reducing the number of renders because a couple of inadequate patreon subscribers had written unacceptable things in her DM (as I understood it)...
Anyway, I sincerely apologize to Tess, even though it's not the best way to do it without seeing the person you're addressing it to. If I get the chance to do it directly (I'm banned on Tess's discord and have no way to do it in person), I'll certainly take it.
In closing, I can only say one thing: I'm very sorry that Tess is no longer in this thread. When she was here in person, it was truly a glorious time...And when Tess is nostalgic about how she and Anais did episode 5 of the game, I am nostalgic about when Tess was with us and we could communicate directly..
There were no conflicts and disagreements (and the rare inadequates were easy to ban), it was a close-knit and powerful community of like-minded people and people who shared common interests...Yes, I know what happened afterwards, the whole situation with hundreds of dickpicks in Tess's PM, with threats to commit suicide, etc...but no matter what,...it would be great if the role of at least a mediator between Tess and the community was taken by someone who could be trusted by players and trusted by Tess herself.
I was not accusing you of anything or putting you with the bad actors as tests put it I was just letting you know Tess was pissed at your comment was all
While it seems unjust for Tess to inflict punishment on the supportive community for the thoughtless and immature antics of a few bad actors, it seems equally unjust to allow said bad actors to walk away with complete impunity.
In the end, the tactic that works the best for repressing such behavior is generally to punish the entire group, understanding that the community will come to police bad actors if their actions result in punishment to everyone.
Of course, the only way this can work is if the bad actors are called out and exposed for their actions so that this dynamic can come into play.
Don't hear me say that I want us all to be punished, but I recognize that this is a necessary evil to prevent these bad actors from continuing their behavior. Next time, they may attack someone who isn't as secure as Tess and do real harm.
In summary, if you are one of the people trying to push your will upon Tess through coercive means beyond humble requests, please come to recognize that your action are not resulting in your desires being accommodated and are actually doing harm, adapt your behavior to improve your results, and either join us in supporting Tess in her endeavor that she is sharing with us or stop subscribing to the game. You will be doing all of us, including yourselves, a favor.
In the end, the tactic that works the best for repressing such behavior is generally to punish the entire group, understanding that the community will come to police bad actors if their actions result in punishment to everyone.
Of course, the only way this can work is if the bad actors are called out and exposed for their actions so that this dynamic can come into play.
Don't hear me say that I want us all to be punished, but I recognize that this is a necessary evil to prevent these bad actors from continuing their behavior. Next time, they may attack someone who isn't as secure as Tess and do real harm.
Bugger me sideways, but I swear it's the same line of thought subby Kane employs in one of the new scenes. It is an erosion of the entire concept of justice and individual responsibility and I refuse to support it. The few people who harass her certainly do not post on this forum, as can be seen from a cordial and friendly way we discuss the game. Neither I, nor anyone here can do anything about the situation, only Tess (and her slaves mods) can. So bringing it up here is nothing more than cheap virtue-signaling.
P.S. I'm not critiquing you, the user, but your ideas.
Unfortunately, you are probably right (that the offending people are not present on F95). We can at least do our part to have Tess' back, given that she is giving us a well-written game for free. Maybe we can't do anything about the people causing it, but hopefully we can offset their negativity in some way.
That all said, I'm probably taking this better than I would if she were removing the good dom route (my preferred one). Even then, though, I try to tailor my actions to get results, and recognize that attacking, complaining, or even excessive fanboying will not lead to the results I want.
I express appreciation for Tess' work and otherwise let her do her thing.
I hope that the 4-5 days Tess takes off post release are enough to put all of this behind her. Release time should be a joyous occasion, a celebration that you finished part of something you've started, and people get a chance to enjoy your work. Instead this just feels somber.
Bugger me sideways, but I swear it's the same line of thought subby Kane employs in one of the new scenes. It is an erosion of the entire concept of justice and individual responsibility and I refuse to support it. The few people who harass her certainly do not post on this forum, as can be seen from a cordial and friendly way we discuss the game. Neither I, nor anyone here can do anything about the situation, only Tess (and her slaves mods) can. So bringing it up here is nothing more than cheap virtue-signaling.
P.S. I'm not critiquing you, the user, but your ideas.
Possibly so, but would be the first time i saw one of the "community managers" respond in a humorous way, over insults.
I think your point was more than valid, especially as even recently a user was put on blast here for comments that upset the Dev, kinda match point.
Tess is not giving anyone anything for free. You think Tess uploads the game here? There is no 'public' version after Final is released. It's here because someone leaks it and then 'you' get it for free. Some of us here do actually 'pay' for it.
Gentlemen, it is once again time to discuss the identity of Grym Gudinna. AKA, 'white tips', (because she is the one with the Shinigami mask that has white tipped horns). AKA, The mysterious individual that spoke to Patricia early to discuss Kane, and then later spoke to the Gambit Queen. The sneaky individual that snuck Kane a bracelet on the Dom route. The very same individual that has captured both our hearts and minds.
Now then, without further ado, let's reveal the most likely candidate, Alessandra:
This is the worst photo I could find of her, yes. There is a lot of evidence that supports her being the culprit:
1. During the GrymGudinnaLives scene, Patricia meets with Alessandra.
2. Patricia has been taking orders from Alessandra for a while now. Alessandra ordered Patricia not to harm Kane in the prison.
3. Veronica also had a Shinigami mask, and the two of them are the only two Karlsson sisters to have trained under Kiyomi.
4. She does claim to be the only happy Karlsson sister.
5. The 'Truly be with, just fuck, enslave, or destroy' fits here. As she will truly be with a SS Kane, fuck a dom Kane, enslave a submissive Kane, and destroy any other Kane.
6. Apparently Tess has given strong hints that it's her? Though I will not be deterred by this!
7. Other reasons too probably.
HOWEVER...
A new challenger approaches...
Yes, Olivia.
This magnificent bitch has fooled her own father, her own mother, her siblings, and perhaps even us, the readers.
You must be registered to see the links
There have long since been theories that Olivia is a 'secret agent' and that it's her speaking to her father, Alexander Karlsson as he dies. With each update, these have become less of 'theories' and more like 'undeniable', until finally the last update was released where it was effectively proven to be true.
It was this line in the screenshot above that made me rethink everything for obvious reasons. But it also led to me revisiting the conversation with her father in the very first scene of the game.
If someone like Angelica is a beast, then Olivia is a behemoth. Olivia is a woman on a mission. She does not need Kane. She will test him, as she's been ordered to do, but she's going to take over regardless.
Now then, lets start off with the reasons why we've all written Olivia off as Grym Gudinna:
1) How could she have sunk her claws into Patricia? Well, we don't know where she's been. She's a busy girl.
2) How could she have 'darkness', my Olivia is a good person! Well, clearly we don't know what she does off camera. She's been very, very sneaky thus far. I think she has done some terribly vile stuff off camera that we don't know about. Why? Because it supports my argument.
3) When Callista speaks to her, she talks about Olivia in third person! True...
With that out of the way, let's talk about why it could be her, starting off with the most important piece of evidence of all...
Why would Callista be helping any other sister win the gambit besides Olivia? And she specifically says she wants Olivia to win it to Elena as if it wasn't already obvious.
Also, Olivia trained under the same person as Kiyomi, Ying Yue, so it's not unthinkable that she would have a cool Shinigami mask! Alessandra wants her sisters to kill Olivia. Elena has made a comment that they're all scared of her, and then Dominique and Juliette began targeting Kane/Seth hoping it's a weak point for Olivia.
And there you have it folks, undeniable proof that Olivia is Grym Gudinna!
Btw, none of this should be taken too seriously... But, hey, who knows. Maybe?
I apologize for being unclear. To rephase, Tess is creating a well-written game that some of us are getting for free. Thus those who are getting the game for free should also be grateful to those of us who are paying for it.
Tess is not giving anyone anything for free. You think Tess uploads the game here? There is no 'public' version after Final is released. It's here because someone leaks it and then 'you' get it for free. Some of us here do actually 'pay' for it.
IKR, I'm sure Tess is PISSED at all the new subs/slaves/money that come from posting her game here. The audacity to think Devs care for increased subscribers and money...clearly they only do this for the love of art
IKR, I'm sure Tess is PISSED at all the new subs/slaves/money that come from posting her game here. The audacity to think Devs care for increased subscribers and money...clearly they only do this for the love of art
Some developers have a very black and white stance on piracy. I don't agree with them but they definitely exist. Also have to point out that Tess has said numerous times that KG is one of her lower income streams and isn't exactly needed to maintain her lifestyle, it's more of a creative outlet for her. So while I hold the opinion that developers can actually benefit from F95, this is very much a "love of art" project for her.
Gentlemen, it is once again time to discuss the identity of Grym Gudinna. AKA, 'white tips', (because she is the one with the Shinigami mask that has white tipped horns). AKA, The mysterious individual that spoke to Patricia early to discuss Kane, and then later spoke to the Gambit Queen. The sneaky individual that snuck Kane a bracelet on the Dom route. The very same individual that has captured both our hearts and minds.
This is the worst photo I could find of her, yes. There is a lot of evidence that supports her being the culprit:
1. During the GrymGudinnaLives scene, Patricia meets with Alessandra.
2. Patricia has been taking orders from Alessandra for a while now. Alessandra ordered Patricia not to harm Kane in the prison.
3. Veronica also had a Shinigami mask, and the two of them are the only two Karlsson sisters to have trained under Kiyomi.
4. She does claim to be the only happy Karlsson sister.
5. The 'Truly be with, just fuck, enslave, or destroy' fits here. As she will truly be with a SS Kane, fuck a dom Kane, enslave a submissive Kane, and destroy any other Kane.
6. Apparently Tess has given strong hints that it's her? Though I will not be deterred by this!
7. Other reasons too probably.
Yes, Olivia.
This magnificent bitch has fooled her own father, her own mother, her siblings, and perhaps even us, the readers.
You must be registered to see the links
There have long since been theories that Olivia is a 'secret agent' and that it's her speaking to her father, Alexander Karlsson as he dies. With each update, these have become less of 'theories' and more like 'undeniable', until finally the last update was released where it was effectively proven to be true.
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It was this line in the screenshot above that made me rethink everything for obvious reasons. But it also led to me revisiting the conversation with her father in the very first scene of the game.
If someone like Angelica is a beast, then Olivia is a behemoth. Olivia is a woman on a mission. She does not need Kane. She will test him, as she's been ordered to do, but she's going to take over regardless.
Now then, lets start off with the reasons why we've all written Olivia off as Grym Gudinna:
1) How could she have sunk her claws into Patricia? Well, we don't know where she's been. She's a busy girl.
2) How could she have 'darkness', my Olivia is a good person! Well, clearly we don't know what she does off camera. She's been very, very sneaky thus far. I think she has done some terribly vile stuff off camera that we don't know about. Why? Because it supports my argument.
3) When Callista speaks to her, she talks about Olivia in third person! True...
With that out of the way, let's talk about why it could be her, starting off with the most important piece of evidence of all...
Why would Callista be helping any other sister win the gambit besides Olivia? And she specifically says she wants Olivia to win it to Elena as if it wasn't already obvious.
Also, Olivia trained under the same person as Kiyomi, Ying Yue, so it's not unthinkable that she would have a cool Shinigami mask! Alessandra wants her sisters to kill Olivia. Elena has made a comment that they're all scared of her, and then Dominique and Juliette began targeting Kane/Seth hoping it's a weak point for Olivia.
And there you have it folks, undeniable proof that Olivia is Grym Gudinna!
Btw, none of this should be taken too seriously... But, hey, who knows. Maybe?
You must have missedAgent Olivia's famous theory. Many of us (myself included) still believe in it, so we certainly don't need to be convinced ...About Grym Gudinna, haven't fully explored your post yet...
Well there's only one way to find out.
People who are subscribed to Tess could just ask her via private messages. I hear she's in a great mood right now.
Well there's only one way to find out.
People who are subscribed to Tess could just ask her via private messages. I hear she's in a great mood right now.
Gentlemen, it is once again time to discuss the identity of Grym Gudinna. AKA, 'white tips', (because she is the one with the Shinigami mask that has white tipped horns). AKA, The mysterious individual that spoke to Patricia early to discuss Kane, and then later spoke to the Gambit Queen. The sneaky individual that snuck Kane a bracelet on the Dom route. The very same individual that has captured both our hearts and minds.
This is the worst photo I could find of her, yes. There is a lot of evidence that supports her being the culprit:
1. During the GrymGudinnaLives scene, Patricia meets with Alessandra.
2. Patricia has been taking orders from Alessandra for a while now. Alessandra ordered Patricia not to harm Kane in the prison.
3. Veronica also had a Shinigami mask, and the two of them are the only two Karlsson sisters to have trained under Kiyomi.
4. She does claim to be the only happy Karlsson sister.
5. The 'Truly be with, just fuck, enslave, or destroy' fits here. As she will truly be with a SS Kane, fuck a dom Kane, enslave a submissive Kane, and destroy any other Kane.
6. Apparently Tess has given strong hints that it's her? Though I will not be deterred by this!
7. Other reasons too probably.
Yes, Olivia.
This magnificent bitch has fooled her own father, her own mother, her siblings, and perhaps even us, the readers.
You must be registered to see the links
There have long since been theories that Olivia is a 'secret agent' and that it's her speaking to her father, Alexander Karlsson as he dies. With each update, these have become less of 'theories' and more like 'undeniable', until finally the last update was released where it was effectively proven to be true.
View attachment 4453867
It was this line in the screenshot above that made me rethink everything for obvious reasons. But it also led to me revisiting the conversation with her father in the very first scene of the game.
If someone like Angelica is a beast, then Olivia is a behemoth. Olivia is a woman on a mission. She does not need Kane. She will test him, as she's been ordered to do, but she's going to take over regardless.
Now then, lets start off with the reasons why we've all written Olivia off as Grym Gudinna:
1) How could she have sunk her claws into Patricia? Well, we don't know where she's been. She's a busy girl.
2) How could she have 'darkness', my Olivia is a good person! Well, clearly we don't know what she does off camera. She's been very, very sneaky thus far. I think she has done some terribly vile stuff off camera that we don't know about. Why? Because it supports my argument.
3) When Callista speaks to her, she talks about Olivia in third person! True...
With that out of the way, let's talk about why it could be her, starting off with the most important piece of evidence of all...
Why would Callista be helping any other sister win the gambit besides Olivia? And she specifically says she wants Olivia to win it to Elena as if it wasn't already obvious.
Also, Olivia trained under the same person as Kiyomi, Ying Yue, so it's not unthinkable that she would have a cool Shinigami mask! Alessandra wants her sisters to kill Olivia. Elena has made a comment that they're all scared of her, and then Dominique and Juliette began targeting Kane/Seth hoping it's a weak point for Olivia.
And there you have it folks, undeniable proof that Olivia is Grym Gudinna!
Btw, none of this should be taken too seriously... But, hey, who knows. Maybe?
Well argued, but you proved your owner theory wrong at least about white tips. If nobody else was there, there would be no reason for her to talk to Olivia in the third person. Theres also the problem of Patricia still barely even being in Olivia's vicinity.
As for her being the daughter at the beginning there are two problems:
this line: Alexander: "I understand now and I see your real brilliance because you even fooled me didn't you?"
Why would Alexander say she fooled him when he's barely met her?
and in the implication that Callista made to Elena that she wouldn't have sent Olivia back until Alexander was dead because he absolutely didn't want her there and would've killed her if she was because he blamed her and Selena for losing Callista. Perhaps on this point, he changed his mind once he was poisoned, but that would mean that Veronica and Olivia were working behind Callista's back to get Olivia to him. It's possible, but I highly doubt that.
