I apologize for being unclear. To rephase, Tess is creating a well-written game that some of us are getting for free. Thus those who are getting the game for free should also be grateful to those of us who are paying for it.
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IKR, I'm sure Tess is PISSED at all the new subs/slaves/money that come from posting her game here. The audacity to think Devs care for increased subscribers and money...clearly they only do this for the love of art
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Olivia? I thought it was going to be Lola.
Some developers have a very black and white stance on piracy. I don't agree with them but they definitely exist. Also have to point out that Tess has said numerous times that KG is one of her lower income streams and isn't exactly needed to maintain her lifestyle, it's more of a creative outlet for her. So while I hold the opinion that developers can actually benefit from F95, this is very much a "love of art" project for her.IKR, I'm sure Tess is PISSED at all the new subs/slaves/money that come from posting her game here. The audacity to think Devs care for increased subscribers and money...clearly they only do this for the love of art
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You must have missedAgent Olivia's famous theory. Many of us (myself included) still believe in it, so we certainly don't need to be convinced
...About Grym Gudinna, haven't fully explored your post yet...
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Well there's only one way to find out.
People who are subscribed to Tess could just ask her via private messages. I hear she's in a great mood right now.
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Karlsson's Gambit (Public) Corporate Development Memo's/Discord Roadmaps/Release Dates:
Dev Logs:
| Ver. Release Dates & Render Count: |
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| Totals: 22,007 Static Renders | 246 Animations |
| 01/2025 | 0.8.2 Final | 5001 Static / 115 Animations |
| 02/2024 | 0.8.1 Final | 3311 Static / 37 Anims |
| 04/2023 | 0.7 Final ..l| 4171 Static / 53 Anims |
| 06/2022 | 0.6 Final ..l| 3516 Static / 41 Anims |
| 10/2021 | 0.5 Final ..l| 2162 Static |
| 04/2021 | 0.4 Final ..l| 1750 Static |
| 10/2020 | 0.3 Final ..l| .l993 Static |
| 07/2020 | 0.2 Final ..l| .l653 Static |
| 04/2020 | 0.1 Final ..l| .l450 Static |
Dev Logs:
| 16/06/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 106 renders this week/1903 renders total |
| 08/06/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 103 renders and we're now at 1793 renders |
| 02/06/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 106 renders/1,690 total |
| 26/05/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 113 renders this week - 1,584 total renders |
| 18/05/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 105 renders | 1,471 renders and 33 animations |
| 12/05/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 60 game renders --> 1,366 renders | 20 animations finalized |
| 04/05/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 102 renders and a few more animations, now at 1,306 renders after 13 weeks |
| 20/04/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | Dom Path --> 598 | Sub Path --> 426 | New Overall 1,144 renders | 19 animations |
| 13/04/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 105 renders and this brings the total to 1062 |
| 06/04/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | Total of 958 renders overall |
| 24/03/2025 | Roadmap | 756 renders (+105) |
| 17/03/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 651 renders and 12 animations |
| 10/03/2025 | Roadmap | 112 ---> 541 renders and 10 animations |
| 03/03/2025 | Roadmap | 429 renders overall for Part 3 |
| 24/05/2025 | Roadmap | Week 3 Update: +113 renders -- 330 total renders |
| 17/02/2025 | Roadmap | 113 this week = 217 renders done | WT and Faction sheet news |
| 09/02/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 104 renders | Steam news |
| 02/02/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 8.3 Start |
| 17/01/2025 | Roadmap | Final 8.2A Update |
| 16/01/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | Dom Path: +103 renders + likely 82 renders (185) | Sub Path: +125 renders |
| 12/01/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | Pre-release |
| 10/01/2025 | Roadmap | Info |
| 05/01/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | Info |
| 01/01/2025 | Corporate Development Memo | 0.8.2 Test Ver Update |
| 13/12/2024 | Roadmap | Info |
| 08/12/2024 | Roadmap | Info |
| 24/11/2024 | Corporate Development Memo | Main path: 232 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 1,647 | Sub: 2,100 | Overall: 4,336 |
| 10/11/2024 | Corporate Development Memo | Dom Path +50 to 1,375 | Sub Path: +70 to 2,030 | Total Renders: +120 to 3,964 |
| 03/11/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 232 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 1,325 | Sub: 1,970 | Total Renders: 3,844 |
| 29/09/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 213 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 1,310 | Sub: 1,269 | Total: 3,159 (+130) |
| 15/09/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 213 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 1,189 | Sub: 1,135 | Total 2,904 (+146) |
| 08/09/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 213 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 1,115 | Sub: 1,063 | Total: 2,758 (+142 |
| 25/08/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 213 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 990 | Sub: 904 | Overall for Part 2: 2,474 |
| 22/08/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 213 | Secret Sub: 367 | Dom: 990 | Sub: 775 | Total for Part 2 so far:2,345 |
| 18/08/2024 | Roadmap | 97 renders completed this week |
| 12/08/2024 | Roadmap | Main: 213 | Sub: 713 | Secret Sub: 367 renders | Dom: 955 | Total now: 2,248 |
| 04/08/2024 | Roadmap | 2150 renders done |
| 07/07/2024 | Roadmap | 1660 renders, pretty good week (140 for the week) |
| 01/07/2024 | Roadmap | Now at 1520 renders |
| 16/06/2024 | Corporate Development Memo | 1,370 renders and roughly 60+ animations |
| 02/06/2024 | Roadmap | 1190 renders, 50+ animations |
| 20/05/2024 | Roadmap | Crossed 1000 renders |
| 28/04/2024 | Roadmap | 775 renders |
| 07/04/2024 | Roadmap | 505 renders after 5 weeks |
| 17/03/2024 | Roadmap | 196 renders |
| 10/03/2024 | Roadmap | Hit 100 renders |
| 04/03/2024 | Corporate Development Memo | Line 500 of the code | about 30 renders done |
| 19/02/2024 | Roadmap | Final Release 0.8 Part 1 |
| 07/02/2024 | Corporate Development Memo | 0.8 Part 1 Beta |
| 04/02/2024 | Roadmap | Info |
| 28/01/2024 | Corporate Develpment Memo | Update Info |
| 27/01/2024 | Roadmap | - |
| 23/01/2024 | Roadmap | - |
| 10/12/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | 2,277 renders |
| 03/12/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | Main: 396 | Dom: 901 | Secret Sub: 189 | Sub: 664 | 2,150 renders exactly |
| 19/11/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | 1,939 renders |
| 12/11/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | 1,856 renders |
| 21/09/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | 1,201 renders |
| 14/05/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | Info |
| 16/04/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | 0.7 Test |
| 09/04/2023 | Corporate Development Memo | - |
| 06/06/2022 | Corporate Development Memo | - |
| 22/05/2022 | Corporate Development Memo | - |
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Well argued, but you proved your owner theory wrong at least about white tips. If nobody else was there, there would be no reason for her to talk to Olivia in the third person. Theres also the problem of Patricia still barely even being in Olivia's vicinity.
As for her being the daughter at the beginning there are two problems:
this line: Alexander: "I understand now and I see your real brilliance because you even fooled me didn't you?"
Why would Alexander say she fooled him when he's barely met her?
and in the implication that Callista made to Elena that she wouldn't have sent Olivia back until Alexander was dead because he absolutely didn't want her there and would've killed her if she was because he blamed her and Selena for losing Callista. Perhaps on this point, he changed his mind once he was poisoned, but that would mean that Veronica and Olivia were working behind Callista's back to get Olivia to him. It's possible, but I highly doubt that.
Not only that, Gambit Queen says to Grym "In your next board meeting".
Olivia isn't a member of the board yet. Even less so before Elena's willingness to resign for her sake.
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kinkyshin
About Grym Gudinna = Olivia., sorry, but no. It can't be Olivia, and it's probably Alessandra.
First of all, Olivia is pretty pure and chaste from the start. And then, once she's under our control, we make her what we want her to be. There is no evil Olivia, we make her that way (or, we prefer to make her good).... All the events surrounding Olivia's appearance and her first steps are also put under our control, we actively build her personality to our tastes... And the person Callista is talking to in the Temple is definitely an established person, one of the Karlssons who has fallen under Alexander's bad influence but is still capable of change..
One can argue about the degree of possible change, since Tess didn't give a detailed description of how wide the range of her “flexibility rating” she set for key characters...But in my opinion, Grym Gudinna is still Alessandra and no one else...And Agent Olivia has already been trained and sent off on her mission, so Callista hasn't yet fallen into her marasmus while simultaneously training her daughter to save the family and come to victory in Gambit (preferably with Kane) while pretending not to recognize her daughter's voice and talking to her in the Temple where she's supposedly Grym Gudinna. I'm sorry, but it's too illogical and dragged out...(imo)
In addition, we have been shown evidence that Olivia's childhood was spent away from the darkness and evil of Alexander, first she was raised in a remote mountain Temple and there (apparently) learned martial arts, and then she continued to be raised by Callista, who Tess shows as a positive character with a strict moral compass...Then we see Olivia's youth, their meeting with Kane...So on and so on.
I can believe that it was Olivia at Alexander's deathbed (and Olivia's agent theory is still valid), I can even believe that Callista sometimes let Alexander see young Liv, but we know for a fact that there was no evil in Olivia's soul at the moment GD01 begins and we get to control her. Yes, the knowledge she had, the amazing acting talent she had and still has, but not the evil...So she “has no need to change for the better” as Callista to Grym Gudinna says, but Alessandra/Grym Gudinna could definitely use such a change.
Olivia is almost entirely a character under our control (and sort of a second MC) with all the consequences that entails. But I was interested to read your thoughts on this, thanks.
About Grym Gudinna = Olivia., sorry, but no. It can't be Olivia, and it's probably Alessandra.
First of all, Olivia is pretty pure and chaste from the start. And then, once she's under our control, we make her what we want her to be. There is no evil Olivia, we make her that way (or, we prefer to make her good).... All the events surrounding Olivia's appearance and her first steps are also put under our control, we actively build her personality to our tastes... And the person Callista is talking to in the Temple is definitely an established person, one of the Karlssons who has fallen under Alexander's bad influence but is still capable of change..
One can argue about the degree of possible change, since Tess didn't give a detailed description of how wide the range of her “flexibility rating” she set for key characters...But in my opinion, Grym Gudinna is still Alessandra and no one else...And Agent Olivia has already been trained and sent off on her mission, so Callista hasn't yet fallen into her marasmus while simultaneously training her daughter to save the family and come to victory in Gambit (preferably with Kane) while pretending not to recognize her daughter's voice and talking to her in the Temple where she's supposedly Grym Gudinna. I'm sorry, but it's too illogical and dragged out...(imo)
In addition, we have been shown evidence that Olivia's childhood was spent away from the darkness and evil of Alexander, first she was raised in a remote mountain Temple and there (apparently) learned martial arts, and then she continued to be raised by Callista, who Tess shows as a positive character with a strict moral compass...Then we see Olivia's youth, their meeting with Kane...So on and so on.
I can believe that it was Olivia at Alexander's deathbed (and Olivia's agent theory is still valid), I can even believe that Callista sometimes let Alexander see young Liv, but we know for a fact that there was no evil in Olivia's soul at the moment GD01 begins and we get to control her. Yes, the knowledge she had, the amazing acting talent she had and still has, but not the evil...So she “has no need to change for the better” as Callista to Grym Gudinna says, but Alessandra/Grym Gudinna could definitely use such a change.
Olivia is almost entirely a character under our control (and sort of a second MC) with all the consequences that entails. But I was interested to read your thoughts on this, thanks.
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Actually, Olivia being the daughter at the beginning isn't far-fetched at all and I thought mostly everyone agreed on that part?
It's my theory about Olivia being Grym Gudinna that's definitely uhh.. out there to say the least.
Well, even the Gambit Queen makes mistakes. It's not unthinkable for a character to have an occasional slip of the tongue.
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I just got a call from the Nobel Prize committee asking if they could nominate you for a prize in the “math” category? I hope you don't take offense, Mav, but I told them: yes, this guy is in!
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While I am far from an expert on the KG mysteries, I have been through this story enough to form my own opinions so, I guess, I'll give in to the temptation to weigh in on this "Who is the Grym Gudinna debate". The last person I would guess would be Olivia. I will be floored by the shock and awe if it's her. Evidently, there has been some consensus that it's likely Alessandra. At the risk of being shouted down, I just don't see it. I can't think of a single thing that would bring me to that conclusion up to this point in the story. Now, to really stick my neck on the chopping block, I have always been quite certain that the Grym Gudinna is Veronica. I won't present a wall of text argument to support my belief since, by page 756, one would assume all possible arguments have been presented ad infinitum. So, my vote; No way in hell it's Olivia, I'll be shocked and amazed if it's Alessandra and, to me, it's obviously Veronica.
*motseer crouches down in his foxhole and prepares to endure the hail of withering fire.*
*motseer crouches down in his foxhole and prepares to endure the hail of withering fire.*
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Probem here is that we already know V is Red Tips....that's pretty much confirmed in dialogue without it actually be stated.
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On this debate, I'm still leaning more now towards Kiyomi.
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2 Masked ninja's....Red Tips and White Tips....both meet Callista (Gambit Queen)....Well, let me just further reveal my ignorance... Who the hell is red tips...
Conversation with 'Red Tips'...Gambit Queen calls her out on lying/knowing about Cole at their previous meeting (thus really, definitively confirming it's Veronica).
So the real question is (in terms of who it is): Who would be working with Callista to help her...and/or...do they know its Callista?
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Obviously, everyone shares the white tips mask because it's ultimately meant for Kane, they are just keeping it warm for him.
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So... These people are referred to in dialogue as "Red Tips" and "White Tips"?
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Why Kiyomi?
The person has be a daughter of Alexander, and he only has 6 daughters at least according to Astrid.
No, it's just what some of us have called them to easily distinguish.
Especially since there was a time when we couldn't confirm that Red Tips was Veronica.
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I forgot about that line...you're right, my bad.
I have to admit, Olivia does fit (and we shall assume she knows she is talking to Callista). She fits more than Alessa because for me, despite all the tlak here over the years about her, I really just don't see the connection with her at all, why she would Help Callista (if she knows it's her).