JJ1960

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Other question would be, how they became best friends? Something might happened at some point and they complimented eachother, and I think it has to be with Jill's sis or what you're saying about James.
My pet theory is they met in grief counseling, Jill for her sister and Bella for the oft-theorized dead child of hers and James. Bella had a complete emotional breakdown, which is why she is now so closed-off from everyone. They became emotionally codependent, Jill due to her emotional immaturity and fundamental self-doubt and Bella after James left her which completely devastated her and left her all alone. Bella and Jill had a brief physical relationship which they later regretted but still remained close friends.
 
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As it often happens, they were united by a terrible secret.
They killed a dude, and hiding it.
I remind you that the main, most terrible, villainous villain is usually the character you wouldn't even think about. And Jill is very suitable for this role. :WeSmart:
Look at her.
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It's like she's from a thriller movie poster
You may be onto something here. Serial killer and serial Jiller are only one alphabetical step from each other.
 

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Or, perhaps more plausibly, Jill was bullied by some guy that Bella "took care of" (one of many euphemisms to mean she killed him) and hid away. Jill doesn't know that Bella did that, but appreciates that Bella helped her. In any event, I suspect the locked room has more to do with Bella's (ex?) husband who probably died in a war or something rather than as a murder victim.
If you read this forum carefully, you may have seen that many people have already written as a proven fact that the room is inhabited by zombie James, who has a small child's boot... :unsure:
 

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You're equating "story line" with "drama".

If you consider the main characters, these are their stories:
  • Jill: Student at B&R. She comes from money. Her sister died when she was young. She has been sheltered all her life, and because of that she is rather naive. She has a killer body but a face that can go from good to bad in the blink of an eye. She's been a virgin right up until she's met the mc.
  • Bella: Librarian at B&R. Her marriage ended (?) a few years ago, and she's been frigid ever since. We don't know a lot about her past as it's been intentionally left as a mystery.
  • Maya: Student at B&R. She comes from a very religiously conservative family (particularly her dad) and because she's a lesbian (or most likely bi) it's caused a lot of friction (not that kind of friction... ok, that kind of friction too :sneaky:). Her dad is trying to blackmail the gay out of her. She's trying to hide her same sex attraction from everyone because she thinks she'll be judged for it.
  • Sage: Student at B&R. She's also the president of the HOTs. She's adopted and has a distant relationship with her family, and hates her adoptive brother. Her boyfriend turned out to be gay and was cheating on her; she's only just recently come to terms with it and has moved on.
  • Quinn: Student at B&R. She's also the vice-president of the HOTs. Her dad is either dead or in prison and her mom seems to be a fucked up drug addict that can't even recognise her anymore. She deals in drugs and prostitution to fuel her own drug habit, and she seems to have a lot of psychological issues.
  • Josy: Student at B&R. She comes from a broken home and she recently lived with her dad, step-mom and step-brother who happens to be the vice-president of the DIKs. She's had a crush on the mc while working with him but she's in another relationship which has complicated things. She had a falling out with her dad, but unlike every other fucking character in the game, she resolved her shit ages ago.
So they've all got story lines. There's just no drama surrounding Josy, probably because she's just a normal girl, extremely cute, but otherwise normal. The rest of them are all fucked up one way or the other.

Of course the drama is required, otherwise the story would be boring, but in real life, a DTF girl like Josy wouldn't need drama to make her "interesting". In the game you don't get to squeeze her ass every time you stand next to her, but in real life, it'd be mandatory.

But obviously the way you approach things from the game's perspective rather than real life's perspective will be very different. How I enjoy this game, and how I would handle it in real life:

In game:
  • Bella: A sexual beast just waiting to erupt, her sex scenes are raw, carnal enjoyment. Totally worth the effort.
  • Quinn: I want to break down that hostile exterior and make her putty in the mc's hands. I'm prepared for the fallout.
  • Maya: She can be fun when she's not stressing out, and who wouldn't want a lesbian conversion as a notch on their belt?
  • Jill: Sweet, naïve young Jill, looking to be schooled in the ways of pleasure by a patient guy. I'm willing.
  • Sage: She's great entertainment, and the sex is so much fun (just how it should be). What's not to like?
  • Josy: Perfect Josy, the epitome of the girl next door. I would never pass this girl up.
In real life:
  • Bella: Fuck that, angry old cunt, not worth the effort!
  • Quinn: Fuck that, psycho bitch, not worth the risk!
  • Maya: Fuck that, self absorbed, baggage ridden, damsel in distress, not worth the drama!
  • Jill: Fuck that, stupid rich bitch with no idea how the world works, not worth the headache!
  • Sage: Fuck that, hung-up-on-some-other-dude, angry, vindictive psycho with emotional problems, not worth the castration!
  • Josy: Fucking perfect!
Of all the girls, Josy would be a great girlfriend, the rest would be a fucking pain in the ass half the time.


People keep thinking Zoey is this freaky, sex crazed girl. But remember, she was a loner, spent a lot of time in detention, and eventually latched on to the mc. She may have been the dominant one in that relationship, mainly because the mc was so naïve and malleable, but it's not like she was sleeping with the entire high school football team at the time. If it wasn't for the mc, it seems like Zoey wouldn't have had any friends at all. She was a loner kid who loved her granny and was wrapped up in her own silly dreams.

So for Zoey to go to San Diego, and end up only hanging out with a bunch of misfits, it's not really that hard to believe. I also don't think Zoey would have put up with a bunch of guys hitting on her, so it's not hard to believe she didn't find a boyfriend in that time, was she even looking for one?

So yeah, she went to San Diego to surf, she ended up working at a tattoo shop, and finished her high school studies. Time flies, shit happens, and in her case, she didn't hook up with anyone. Probably because she was still stuck on the mc but just didn't know it. Luckily for her, the mc also saved himself for her return, oh wait... :whistle:
I’m like 100% sure there will be Josy-drama. If you’re on non-Josy&Maya route there’s already an option to tell her if you think about relationship with her without Maya and this option gives you 2 cheat points. Hopefully Josy-solo will come in ep10 :D
 

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The side girls are actually more interesting than the main girls right now. I mean look at the main girls: The queen of No! (Seriously, she might be a serial killer.) The Queen of Waaah! (Always waiting for someone else to fix her problems, can't she be even a little pro-active.) - The most interesting thing about her has always been her brother. Josy, while I admire the art and the tropes that make up her personality, she has little conflict to her other than Tommy and her unresolved feelings for Tremolo. Sage's conflict is going to come about from what her family's been up to and the fact that her sorority is a prostitution ring that her dad is involved in. Jill has the most interesting potential story hooks - the fact that her family knew Tremolo's mom and her best friend's boyfriend cheating thing. Pretty sure Bianca is going to hit on Tremolo.

I mean if you drop all the side girls you might as well go and play most of the run of the mill AVN's on this site with such deep character choices as "add this girl to harem" or "knock up this person" or "sleep with mother/sister/daughter/niece/cousin/father/uncle's former roomate."

Say what you will about Quinn and the dumpster fire that is her life, she adds drama and her psychological hangups are interesting. Rio's story of breaking from Quinn slowly is compelling as well. Lily is a riot. Sarah and Mel's sexual competition with each other is fun. Zoey (although I'm not a fan of that many tattoos, especially on the chest) is another monkey in the wrench that's going to add drama.

I mean sure, this is an AVN, but it's not one of your run of the mill ones. This one has always been "Come for the porn, stay for the story."
So to make the main girls more interesting we should focus more on the side girls giving DPC even less time to further develop the main girls stories? It's not sustainable and it could lead to an unimaginable workload. I'm not saying that we should throw away the side girls. Only that the side girls should not have more content than any main girl branch. Connected, troubled and the other road should have roughly the same amount of content. And I'm actually fine with Quinn becoming a main girl, the DIK alignment needs another main girl LI. But I think it is a waste of time to focus too much on background characters like Sally and Karen.

In that case I would prefer if DPC completes the AVN as intended and then retroactively adds new stories with some of the side characters, like DLC.
 
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In that case I would prefer if DPC completes the AVN as intended and then retroactively adds new stories with some of the side characters, like DLC.
I love "Interlude". Certainly adds more depth to the whole story and to the MC. Certainly with you that there should be story DLC for different characters. Real world building stuff. But, in my opinion, it should be done after the main story is concluded. Otherwise we will have another Ocean (SG and wiab dev) on our hands and BaD won't be finished for 30 years.
 

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So to make the main girls more interesting we should focus more on the side girls giving DPC even less time to further develop the main girls stories? It's not sustainable and it could lead to an unimaginable workload. I'm not saying that we should throw away the side girls. Only that the side girls should not have more content than any main girl branch. Connected, troubled and the other road should have roughly the same amount of content. And I'm actually fine with Quinn becoming a main girl, the DIK alignment needs another main girl LI. But I think it is a waste of time to focus too much on background characters like Sally and Karen.

In that case I would prefer if DPC completes the AVN as intended and then retroactively adds new stories with some of the side characters, like DLC.
Waste of time? Sure but you need to keep in mind that some people just want to fuck every girls without commitment. Which is why other route/manwhore route is fun. While I agree that adding more contents for main girls would make them likable and fun but so does adding contents for side girls. I very much enjoy Quinn/Pink rose events/Riona/Hot girls mini events. Without them the game wouldn't be as fun and popular as that. I think it important to develop both side girls and main girls. I am not particularly into Sally but I like Karen (probably because it fun to bully her). Pretty sure these girls also have fans. Hell some of the feminist like Jamie gf has fans. Honestly keeping a balance is better.
 

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I love "Interlude". Certainly adds more depth to the whole story and to the MC. Certainly with you that there should be story DLC for different characters. Real world building stuff. But, in my opinion, it should be done after the main story is concluded. Otherwise we will have another Ocean (SG and wiab dev) on our hands and BaD won't be finished for 30 years.
Will it be ready by then anyway? :devilish:
 

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I'm playing on Android. I completed season 1 and 2 and have the file saved to import, but the file does not appear in the "import" section of season 3
 

Murgus

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You're equating "story line" with "drama".

If you consider the main characters, these are their stories:
  • Jill: Student at B&R. She comes from money. Her sister died when she was young. She has been sheltered all her life, and because of that she is rather naive. She has a killer body but a face that can go from good to bad in the blink of an eye. She's been a virgin right up until she's met the mc.
  • Bella: Librarian at B&R. Her marriage ended (?) a few years ago, and she's been frigid ever since. We don't know a lot about her past as it's been intentionally left as a mystery.
  • Maya: Student at B&R. She comes from a very religiously conservative family (particularly her dad) and because she's a lesbian (or most likely bi) it's caused a lot of friction (not that kind of friction... ok, that kind of friction too :sneaky:). Her dad is trying to blackmail the gay out of her. She's trying to hide her same sex attraction from everyone because she thinks she'll be judged for it.
  • Sage: Student at B&R. She's also the president of the HOTs. She's adopted and has a distant relationship with her family, and hates her adoptive brother. Her boyfriend turned out to be gay and was cheating on her; she's only just recently come to terms with it and has moved on.
  • Quinn: Student at B&R. She's also the vice-president of the HOTs. Her dad is either dead or in prison and her mom seems to be a fucked up drug addict that can't even recognise her anymore. She deals in drugs and prostitution to fuel her own drug habit, and she seems to have a lot of psychological issues.
  • Josy: Student at B&R. She comes from a broken home and she recently lived with her dad, step-mom and step-brother who happens to be the vice-president of the DIKs. She's had a crush on the mc while working with him but she's in another relationship which has complicated things. She had a falling out with her dad, but unlike every other fucking character in the game, she resolved her shit ages ago.
So they've all got story lines. There's just no drama surrounding Josy, probably because she's just a normal girl, extremely cute, but otherwise normal. The rest of them are all fucked up one way or the other.

Of course the drama is required, otherwise the story would be boring, but in real life, a DTF girl like Josy wouldn't need drama to make her "interesting". In the game you don't get to squeeze her ass every time you stand next to her, but in real life, it'd be mandatory.

But obviously the way you approach things from the game's perspective rather than real life's perspective will be very different. How I enjoy this game, and how I would handle it in real life:

In game:
  • Bella: A sexual beast just waiting to erupt, her sex scenes are raw, carnal enjoyment. Totally worth the effort.
  • Quinn: I want to break down that hostile exterior and make her putty in the mc's hands. I'm prepared for the fallout.
  • Maya: She can be fun when she's not stressing out, and who wouldn't want a lesbian conversion as a notch on their belt?
  • Jill: Sweet, naïve young Jill, looking to be schooled in the ways of pleasure by a patient guy. I'm willing.
  • Sage: She's great entertainment, and the sex is so much fun (just how it should be). What's not to like?
  • Josy: Perfect Josy, the epitome of the girl next door. I would never pass this girl up.
In real life:
  • Bella: Fuck that, angry old cunt, not worth the effort!
  • Quinn: Fuck that, psycho bitch, not worth the risk!
  • Maya: Fuck that, self absorbed, baggage ridden, damsel in distress, not worth the drama!
  • Jill: Fuck that, stupid rich bitch with no idea how the world works, not worth the headache!
  • Sage: Fuck that, hung-up-on-some-other-dude, angry, vindictive psycho with emotional problems, not worth the castration!
  • Josy: Fucking perfect!
Of all the girls, Josy would be a great girlfriend, the rest would be a fucking pain in the ass half the time.


People keep thinking Zoey is this freaky, sex crazed girl. But remember, she was a loner, spent a lot of time in detention, and eventually latched on to the mc. She may have been the dominant one in that relationship, mainly because the mc was so naïve and malleable, but it's not like she was sleeping with the entire high school football team at the time. If it wasn't for the mc, it seems like Zoey wouldn't have had any friends at all. She was a loner kid who loved her granny and was wrapped up in her own silly dreams.

So for Zoey to go to San Diego, and end up only hanging out with a bunch of misfits, it's not really that hard to believe. I also don't think Zoey would have put up with a bunch of guys hitting on her, so it's not hard to believe she didn't find a boyfriend in that time, was she even looking for one?

So yeah, she went to San Diego to surf, she ended up working at a tattoo shop, and finished her high school studies. Time flies, shit happens, and in her case, she didn't hook up with anyone. Probably because she was still stuck on the mc but just didn't know it. Luckily for her, the mc also saved himself for her return, oh wait... :whistle:
Josy is in a relationship with another girl. If she was single then yes she would be a perfect girlfriend but as she is in the story she has baggage. Jill is the only one of the main girls that you could have a healthy relationship with in the real world. I actually think that many people here put down Jill just because they are used to "similar" characters like her in other adult games. You know the girl who is insecure and shy that you corrupt and make her do things that a real girl would never do. Jill is not like those characters and she would be a great girlfriend.
 
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You're equating "story line" with "drama".

If you consider the main characters, these are their stories:
  • Jill: Student at B&R. She comes from money. Her sister died when she was young. She has been sheltered all her life, and because of that she is rather naive. She has a killer body but a face that can go from good to bad in the blink of an eye. She's been a virgin right up until she's met the mc.
  • Bella: Librarian at B&R. Her marriage ended (?) a few years ago, and she's been frigid ever since. We don't know a lot about her past as it's been intentionally left as a mystery.
  • Maya: Student at B&R. She comes from a very religiously conservative family (particularly her dad) and because she's a lesbian (or most likely bi) it's caused a lot of friction (not that kind of friction... ok, that kind of friction too :sneaky:). Her dad is trying to blackmail the gay out of her. She's trying to hide her same sex attraction from everyone because she thinks she'll be judged for it.
  • Sage: Student at B&R. She's also the president of the HOTs. She's adopted and has a distant relationship with her family, and hates her adoptive brother. Her boyfriend turned out to be gay and was cheating on her; she's only just recently come to terms with it and has moved on.
  • Quinn: Student at B&R. She's also the vice-president of the HOTs. Her dad is either dead or in prison and her mom seems to be a fucked up drug addict that can't even recognise her anymore. She deals in drugs and prostitution to fuel her own drug habit, and she seems to have a lot of psychological issues.
  • Josy: Student at B&R. She comes from a broken home and she recently lived with her dad, step-mom and step-brother who happens to be the vice-president of the DIKs. She's had a crush on the mc while working with him but she's in another relationship which has complicated things. She had a falling out with her dad, but unlike every other fucking character in the game, she resolved her shit ages ago.
So they've all got story lines. There's just no drama surrounding Josy, probably because she's just a normal girl, extremely cute, but otherwise normal. The rest of them are all fucked up one way or the other.

Of course the drama is required, otherwise the story would be boring, but in real life, a DTF girl like Josy wouldn't need drama to make her "interesting". In the game you don't get to squeeze her ass every time you stand next to her, but in real life, it'd be mandatory.

But obviously the way you approach things from the game's perspective rather than real life's perspective will be very different. How I enjoy this game, and how I would handle it in real life:

In game:
  • Bella: A sexual beast just waiting to erupt, her sex scenes are raw, carnal enjoyment. Totally worth the effort.
  • Quinn: I want to break down that hostile exterior and make her putty in the mc's hands. I'm prepared for the fallout.
  • Maya: She can be fun when she's not stressing out, and who wouldn't want a lesbian conversion as a notch on their belt?
  • Jill: Sweet, naïve young Jill, looking to be schooled in the ways of pleasure by a patient guy. I'm willing.
  • Sage: She's great entertainment, and the sex is so much fun (just how it should be). What's not to like?
  • Josy: Perfect Josy, the epitome of the girl next door. I would never pass this girl up.
In real life:
  • Bella: Fuck that, angry old cunt, not worth the effort!
  • Quinn: Fuck that, psycho bitch, not worth the risk!
  • Maya: Fuck that, self absorbed, baggage ridden, damsel in distress, not worth the drama!
  • Jill: Fuck that, stupid rich bitch with no idea how the world works, not worth the headache!
  • Sage: Fuck that, hung-up-on-some-other-dude, angry, vindictive psycho with emotional problems, not worth the castration!
  • Josy: Fucking perfect!
Of all the girls, Josy would be a great girlfriend, the rest would be a fucking pain in the ass half the time.


People keep thinking Zoey is this freaky, sex crazed girl. But remember, she was a loner, spent a lot of time in detention, and eventually latched on to the mc. She may have been the dominant one in that relationship, mainly because the mc was so naïve and malleable, but it's not like she was sleeping with the entire high school football team at the time. If it wasn't for the mc, it seems like Zoey wouldn't have had any friends at all. She was a loner kid who loved her granny and was wrapped up in her own silly dreams.

So for Zoey to go to San Diego, and end up only hanging out with a bunch of misfits, it's not really that hard to believe. I also don't think Zoey would have put up with a bunch of guys hitting on her, so it's not hard to believe she didn't find a boyfriend in that time, was she even looking for one?

So yeah, she went to San Diego to surf, she ended up working at a tattoo shop, and finished her high school studies. Time flies, shit happens, and in her case, she didn't hook up with anyone. Probably because she was still stuck on the mc but just didn't know it. Luckily for her, the mc also saved himself for her return, oh wait... :whistle:
Josy is the perfect girl the girl you spend the rest of your life with. Maya while she is fun and sweet her shit would get old very very fast
 
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I love "Interlude". Certainly adds more depth to the whole story and to the MC. Certainly with you that there should be story DLC for different characters. Real world building stuff. But, in my opinion, it should be done after the main story is concluded. Otherwise we will have another Ocean (SG and wiab dev) on our hands and BaD won't be finished for 30 years.
Agree with that. If he has a time table of when each episode should drop and when the story should be done it is much easier to determine which stories he should work on and which stories should be on hold. When the story is finished he can continue on working on the DLC which also solves the patreon "problem" as I'm sure he is concerned that his income will drop when the game is completed.

And regarding DLC I didn't mean that a girl would get their own "interlude" but that a new story would be intertwined in the game. For example adding the option of a lewd scene with Karen in episode 9 if you remembered everything about her and gave her a good drink or something.
 

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I love "Interlude". Certainly adds more depth to the whole story and to the MC. Certainly with you that there should be story DLC for different characters. Real world building stuff. But, in my opinion, it should be done after the main story is concluded. Otherwise we will have another Ocean (SG and wiab dev) on our hands and BaD won't be finished for 30 years.
Hopefully DPC will not add stupid things such as reworking everything from the beginning or make another almost useless game in parallel while his fans wait about 2 years for the primal game to advance in plot...
Yeah, I'm pretty mad with THAT guy, and no, I didn't like just one bit what DPC did with the Interlude episode.
 
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Hopefully DPC will not add stupid things such as reworking everything from the beginning or make another almost useless game in parallel while his fans wait about 2 years for the primal game to advance in plot...
Yeah, I'm pretty mad with THAT guy, and no, I didn't like just one bit what DPC did with the Interlude episode.
iirc DPC said he has zero intention to rework the earlier chapters. If he does and a massive if.. It will be after it is finished.
 

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Did anyone play the first version of BaD before the rework in episode 4? I remember the fighting mechanic being a bit janky
 

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I think i missed something - so who in the end stole a guitar and gave Troy a black eye in Episode 1?
 

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I think i missed something - so who in the end stole a guitar and gave Troy a black eye in Episode 1?
I mean the only real douchebag among the alphas is Dawe (and Caleb but he didn't arrive until later). So it was probably Dawe even if it hasn't been stated.

But I'm still wondering what the MC did to Maya before he woke up naked under his bed.
 
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